Robocop Reboot

[*YoungGuyver]

The cast looks cool, but has anyone seen the new suit? It looks like rubber with spandex showing through. I like the black glass mask (with red eye line), and his gun; but the rest just feels like a horrible batman rip off. And seriously, letting him keep a human hand? Please tell me an actor just took a glove off for a second.

Hopefully the movie makes up for the crappy costume

[Salkafar]

Pointless remake.

[*Jess♥]

I don't think it's completely pointless.

there are many kids these days who would never have seen such an old flick.

I mean, it was old when I was 18. now it's super old.

it's a good idea to re-introduce the concept.

the problem however, is whether the new film can translate the myriad of issues present in the original.

the original robocop was an incredibly deep film and could be analysed over and over.

it is the most disturbing film I have ever seen because i am a very strong libertarian.

the scary parts of the robocop movie are not the blood and gore, it's the psychological aspect.

there is a strong chance the person directing this will completely overlook all the underlying messages about society and the human condition.

as much as I hate the robocop franchise, for how it makes me feel, i hate it for a good reason. because it is well made. it does the job it was meant to. it wants me to hate it.

I don't think that should be disrespected.

[*YoungGuyver]

Salkafar is absolutely right. If they are going to make a remake, it should be to fix a mistake. Sure, there were movie mistakes (such as the window behind Murphy not shattering when the gangsters unleashed a hail storm or bullets in his direction), but not many people really notice them.

If they want to do a remake, they should remake Robocop 3. Sure, the kid drug dealer in 2 sounded a little odd, but it was at least making a point. 3 was just people cashing in, and making it safe for children. 3 said NOTHING, took no real risks, and was terrible. Bring out the old costume and do it right. Why waste the rest of the franchise?

Kids may not have been exposed to the classics, but is the answer to remake them? Why no simply show them in theater again? In Vancouver they play them. Lawrence of Arabia is playing soon, and I just watched Ghostbusters on the big screen for the first time

[*Jess♥]

that sounds pretty awesome!

but they would never do that here.

a shame really as i'd love to see some of those old films on the big screen.

[odin]

Like always I'm not going to judge it until I see it, I at first thought that the Judge Dredd movie was not going to be that good cause I had the nostalgia Goggles on but once I saw the praise it had and saw it myself I noticed that sometimes a remake Is not that bad if the guys making it are doing it correctly, sure the suit may not look that interesting but In my opinion it is better cause it is more practical, the original suit was and still is awesome but realistically speaking it is too clumsy, basing myself on the Robocop movies Murphy should have been a failure. If you look at his mobility the moment you eliminate his transportation you can just run, get a car and he wont be able to chase you, if you manage to get behind him and drop kick him or just push him he will not be able to get up quickly and you can finish him right there heck in robocop 2 they showed how useless he is if you play smart. Now with the new costume, it is agile so it shows that this new robocop can at least run, considering it is in the future i imagine that the armor is at least sturdy enough to take anything but a rocket to the face, at first I wished that they would keep the original color scheme but since robocop is supposed to be a prototype the incomplete look suits him even better and since in the original it was also meant to be something for the military the black color could work for stealth reason which can work also on s.w.a.t. division, the reason for keeping the hand .....I'm not sure maybe it is to provide tactile recognition as well as to feel temperature of objects? maybe it is still a mechanical hand and it folds the rest of the armor when needed.

My point is although it may look like a batman "ripoff" it shows elements that vastly improves on the original, sure we all wish that it would look more like the original but we can't get everything that we want. Ryuki, from what I have gathered it appears that on this version of robocop they are going to focus more on studying the psychology of Murphy being a cyborg and how does he keep his Humanity instead of focusing on the world around him, they may still do that but that is the information i have so far.

[Super Existence]

Robocop was a culmination of everything being perfect, sound, acting, score, etc. This shows why the following ones were mediocre at best. Lightning won't strike twice, the original was right people right movie at the right time.

As for the Robocop suit looking more realistic, yes perhaps but stylistically it isn't more impacting than the original or even comes close. I would rather have a stylistically impressing suit rather than something that looks more real.

Take the original ED209, that thing was a joke and the flim-makers knew it; over engineered with ridiculous redundancies, a completely impractical urban design and a vent on it's face that is nothing more than a target.

To go off and redesign with a Nolan ethos is a mistake and stands only to make a slightly ridiculous character glossed over by genius satire more ridiculous by putting him in a real world aspect.

I also think the Dredd comparison is a bad example, the Stallone one was a joke so the new version could only be an improvement, (I wouldn't even call it a remake as plotwise it had nothing to do the stallone version) this movie has to beat the original which is now a cultural icon. I smell another Nightmare on Elm Street scenario coming.

[odin]

While I do respect your opinion I do have to disagree with the Nolan comparison, just because they decided to make the costume slim and black does not mean they are going for the Nolan route, I would only agree with it once I see the movie, not everything you see is always what you think it is and while I do agree that the first robocop movie was indeed a very good movie it is far from perfect, it did have it's amount of flaws and although I don't expect it to be the same as the original which is ridiculous cause if I did I would just watch the original instead I would really like to see a different take of the concept of robocop with a different point of view, the director and writers as well as the actors seem promising so my suggestion is to just wait and see what happens.

Judge Dredd was a bad example, ok then look at Amazing Spider-Man, In my opinion it is a great movie but not necessarily better than the Raimi movie but they both have something that makes them great, the same can be said for Burton Batman and Begins, maybe the same will happen for this Robocop, remember not many liked the new Spidey costume, but I say it is not about the looks but about the story and how it feels. Other good examples of remakes done right that give different perspectives of the story: Let me in, the girl with the dragon tatoo, karate Kid, Halloween, The wolfman.

[Jade Tatsu]

My only problem with this new Robocop is not it, by itself but what it and others like it such as Judge Dredd mean for Hollywood. I appreciate Ryuki's arguments that sometimes it's good to see a remake and sure they can make them look beautiful using more modern cinematography but what does it say about creativity and pushing of new ideas? Now a lot of new movies you can say are based on or inspired by or just plain rip off other movies and finding a completely new idea is difficult, but a remake isn't even trying.

Don't get me wrong, I go to them and enjoy them a lot but sometimes I can't help but wonder what would happen if we didn't get flat out remakes and got something new. Though by that same token, I have to admit there are some good new things coming out too!

Back to Robocop... I hope it's good... though the hand is probably their way of saying they are different from the original series or maybe to try to make him more of a cyborg. Last version because so much of his body was robotic, you could have almost made the argument that he wasn't a proper cyborg.

Edited October 16, 2012 by Jade Tatsu

[*Jess♥]

I share that view and is a big reason why I detest the hulk film with Edward Norton in it.

At first, I refused to watch it, but then recently I decided to give it a chance.

Didn't get very far. they need less style, more substance.

it was senseless because the hulk had a damn fine movie only 5 years before.

the spiderman thing is the same. senseless.

but robocop was 25 years ago. many kids these days simply won't watch a film from that long ago.

it's funny you brought up judge dredd. how many of you guys are aware that robocop was heavily influenced by JD?

well talking of judge dredd, the original has reached cult status so a remake of that was a bad idea IMO.

and messing with his design was also stupid. I'm not going to watch something that is an insult to the original design. the massive shoulder pads are iconic. that's like making batman sans-cape.

[odin]

I kinda new about the influence although I heard that a metal hero toku series called Gavan was the main influence for making Robocop also a there was a toku series called Mobile Cop Jiban which was in turn influenced by the success of robocop and it shows, here is a video intro, pretty cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDjPNUMZ_o

Edited October 16, 2012 by odin

[durendal]

I think that the only good time to make a reboot is if some asinine director messed up the previous movie and killed the franchise (yes, I'm talking about Joel Schumacker). For Robocop, I think it is a good time to remake the movie, since the last robocop movie wasn't really that good. Crap in fact. If only they followed the script of Frank Miller. You can't continue a bad sequel, so the only route is to make a reboot.

[odin]

Considering Frank Miller's movie success I'm glad they did not go for his script in my opinion.

here is an on set video of the new Robocop with his Motorbike, I just love it although I'm a sucker for bikes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOyfvtMOWaU

[*Jess♥]

I find it very interesting the position in which he holds his legs.

it makes me think that they are actually considering details like this, and therefore have a rather serious attitude towards the premise.

so long as they are taking it seriously, I don't hate it.

perhaps it will give me a different feeling about the franchise.

[odin]

Have some images that I managed to find along with a new one showing what it is rumored to be robocop's battlemode armor, looks pretty cool from what i have seen since the photo is low quality, I also love the bike.

oh and here is the viral video that they had posted when they announced the movie, I could have sworn I had posted it before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9uxoOmy_iA

[*Jess♥]

those are interesting images, I wonder why it looks like there are three versions.

maybe they don't fully build him and he starts out with basic armour and they improve him over time?

now I am more intrigued by this movie.

[odin]

what do you mean 3? I only see 2 different armors if you mean the 2 black suits then shiny black one is the armor with the main actor and the black one that does not shine is probably the stuntman costume. But I do agree with you, maybe they build him up as the story progresses gathering real field data and making adjustments based on that data, it is very possible and I hope they do it.

Edited November 15, 2012 by odin

[*Jess♥]

I can't see any reason why they would have a different costume for the stuntman.

it doesn't make sense because the stuntman needs to look as close to the actor as possible.

[odin]

well there are 2 reasons, 1 being the budget and 2 since the stuntman will be doing most of the dangerous stuff and most of the time the camera will be far away from the stuntman there is no need to give it as much detail on his costume since you wont notice the details because of the action and fast movement as oposed to the real actor where he will have close ups and wont move as much, this method has been used in many movies including the original robocop film and (here is a little trivia) that is saying a lot considering they wasted almost all of their budget designing the costume cause the director was a perfectionist and wanted to get the right feel which lead to the actor who played robocop getting a bit annoyed cause while they where making the costume he was training mime in order to do some graceful and agile movements but had to change the rutine on the spot cause he could not move at all when he had the costume on.

Edited November 15, 2012 by odin

[*Jess♥]

wow, that blows! what a shame that the work was wasted.

I see your point about the reduced detail on the costume. I can understand that.

I'm not sure though. the one that is more shiny has a different shape to it too. it's a bit more bulky in areas and more contoured. load up those two pics of him on the bike and you can see the difference, although you've probably already done that

[odin]

well, it wasn't really wasted cause he still used his mime skills that his teacher taught him but just modified it to more menacing and powerful instead of agile and graceful to give the feel that the costume was giving, you can find information about the movies creation on its it's documentary called Flesh and Steel: The Making of RoboCop, some very interesting stuff, they went trhough a lot making the movie and it shows considering it's success, I really love looking at documentaries of stuff that i like and learn how things where done that brought me my love for practical effects even tho they are expensive and take time to do it but it gives that feel of realisim that CG has yet to achive hence why most of my favorite movies are pretty old.

[odin]

This just in, apparently robocop will have 4 different suit upgrades throught the movie, the complete black one supossedly being the 4.0 version, here is an image of the 1.0 suit as well as a different version of ED 209

here is also a more detailed video of what has been found about the movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqzcxvgkQ7k&feature=plcp

Edited November 17, 2012 by odin

[*Jess♥]

now THAT's what I'm talking about!!

that is top stuff.

the base design seems to be very faithful.

it is also very interesting to think about the mass production ed 209. in the first movie it was a prototype and that was the scary thing about it. when it malfunctioned... that was bad. I wonder how they will approach that in this new movie? they have to have something that resembles that scene. it was fairly monumental.

[odin]

Indeed, ED is usually known in the movies and comics as an unreliable robot that may go bonkers in any given moment, they probably will do the same here and I'm expecting Robocop facing multiple EDs on this movie, the interview on the video hints at it as well, I'm very curious to see the other 2 suits that have yet to be revealed, once they are posted I will updated it here.

[LordSpleach]

Odin just posted the new trailer of Facebook.

 

 

Honestly, seeing the suit in motion it doesn't look half bad, but I wished they kept the original color scheme.