chapter Guyver October 2011

[jerrygoodman]

Yeah...

Besides, I wanna see if I'm right about my "Aptom/Val" theory...

[*Jess♥]

you never know, if they fight, shizu's coat might get shredded. then when they both turn back, they will both be naked.

aptom likes a bit of nudity.

then it's a menage et trois... well it would be if takaya sensei was using his other name chimi morio for this chapter

ah, in a manga where there is so much nudity, it's hard to escape this line of thought! XD

but only in jest of course.

[*BananaKing]

Who knows what will happen? Can Valcuria even defeat Griselda? Granted we havent seen Griselda do that much in combat but he did tear zoanoids apart with just her hair she does have what looks like around a dozen libertus with her. Remember 4 libertus took down hundreds of zoanoids and hyper zoanoids and we have a guyver who can't sustain her form for long, a weakened zoalord and 4 hyper zoanoids that can merge into a ride armor...I'm skeptical as to who can win this

[Salkafar]

Guyot might be able to mentally dominate the Libertus from up close. Especially if Griselda is occupied.

What's Agito gonna do if he realizes Guyot is not only still alive, but threatening to kill Shizu? That should be a determinator...

[Super Existence]

If Shizu can communicate with the Libertus fighting Aptom perhaps she will get them to lead him back to the house to help out.

The two Gigantics brawl is likely to summon the other zoalords to arrive possibly bringing Apollon.

Crap, this thing could go huge.

[*BananaKing]

Yeah this is becoming an all out war! I fear if Apollon comes out then everyone is screwed.

Does Aptom even care about Shizu? He cares about the guyver gang and may go to rescue them but perhaps he'd be more likely to assist sho?

[Super Existence]

I doubt it, he wouldn't come to help Sho but knows that everyone at the Segawa house would be helpless and has shown to be keeping an eye on them for awhile now, Aptom also knows he wouldn't stand a chance in a Gigantic fight so I doubt he would go to help Sho, not that he could do much to help anyway.

[daveblackeye152]

He was pretty ready to fight Purgstall though and a Zoalord is someone that has to be fought with a Gigantic.

[Super Existence]

Because Sho was at a disadvantage and he knew it, he had shown self-doubt on the battle field but after the Kahn fight realised Sho has come into his own. Not just that but with the new Gigantic powers Aptom has witnessed Sho is massively more powerful than a zoalord.

Don't forget, Agito took on three zoalords on his own and hadn't fully accessed the Gigantics power. Sho is way beyond that now.

[*BananaKing]

But does aptom even know that the Segawas are in danger? It would seem a bit too convenient if aptom suddenly thought, the segawa's may need protection...

[Super Existence]

I never said that, I said Shizu could lead him back there either verbally through the Libertus or by them heading that way and he follows.

[river_chaos]

The two Gigantics brawl is likely to summon the other zoalords to arrive possibly bringing Apollon. Crap, this thing could go huge.

Wait, if that were the case, then what the hell were the two Gigantics fighting for in the first place? I thought it was Agito asserting his dominance or something like that. If the fight were to get all the Zoalords to come, then why didn't Agito say anything in the first place and why did Sho go Gigantic Ex? It would be kinda unnessecary to go all out when it's a ruse.

[Super Existence]

I think Agito took it as a test to see Sho's new power and realised Sho was worthy to save the Earth from Cronos.

[Salkafar]

I theorized that Agito might have set this up to draw Guyot out of the woodwork, knowing that, in a pinch, Sho would not kill him...

I really am not sure, much relies on whether or not Agito already was aware that Guyot is still alive and active. He is useless to him as a source for a Zoa-Crystal.. although? Guyot's synthetic crystal might buy Shizu a year or two more...

But if he still possesses the Remover (how would he keep it hidden from Jabir and Kurumegnik?)... THEN things might be interesting. If he is rested, he might be able to summon up the bio-energy needed to extract the Unit from Agito all in one go.

Guyot with a Unit... that would mean the end of the series. So I think we can safely assume that that's not going to happen.

What would Guyot do if he possessed transcendental power? That's the thing: Archanfel has a clearly defined goal, even if it is futile and absurd. What would Guyot's be? Become even more powerful? To what end? Dominate the world? Why? It can't offer him anything he can't get regardless.

Maybe his goal is the same as Agito's: knowing that nobody but himself is in charge of his fate.

The final conclusion is and remains that the Uranus are the ultimate enemy. And they are aware... through their agent Apollo. (Can I call him Apollo?)

***

Okay. Scenario: the Uranus return to Earth and reveal they are in dire straits: their war is going badly. Instead of destroying Earth, they now ask Archanfel for help - he has proven in their eyes that he is competent to serve them, and through the intelligence provided by Apollo they know that the Guyvers pose no threat to them, provided they accede to having the Units removed. They finally agree: Archanfel and all Zoaforms on the planet, including those who agree to join after they learn the truth, will board the Ark (or Ark fleet) and fight for the Uranus, while the rest of humanity stays behind, free from their destiny. Sho, now a normal human again, can unite with his friends and family, while Agito takes the reins of Earth as its ruler (I think we can trust him in that, can't we? I mean, without competition he should be a lot more relaxed..). Guyot has been destroyed in final battle with Archanfel and Shizu was saved by the Uranus' advanced technology; that was Agito's price for surrendering the Unit.

I think that could work...

[Super Existence]

The more I think about it the more I realise I was utterly wrong. I doubt Agito would be left as Earth's benevolent ruler the way he uses people as disposable tools, I just find it harder and harder to believe he has changed his ways so quickly.

Shizu seems to have been aware Guyot was coming with the whole 'The Libertus are here to protect us.' but at the same time Guyot never left his facility until he was alerted (I assume) about the activity in the Segawa house but then again he could have been told about the Gigantics fighting and realised the Guyvers are busy with each other thus the house is safe to infiltrate and right Agito could be doing this all on purpose knowing Guyot would go there but again for what reason.

I too find it hard to believe that Agito has gone altruistic at the last moment. We saw him many books ago craving to rule the Earth in manner like Guyot so why would he abandon his ambition just like that because Sho has become a better fighter.

Up until now Agito has shown nothing but selfishness and I doubt he would change at the snap of a finger.

****

My theory:

Apollon is Murakami who has been taking the zoalords crystals in order to heal Alcanphel which is why Alchy seems so full of beans lately.

Also Apollon only seems to be after already expired crystals from the ship, traitorous zoalords like the rogues and as for Carleon he was in the way and he had no choice.

This is why I seriously doubt Apollon will go for Shin's crystal, or Balcus's as they are loyal and have proven it.

Anyway.

This battle will get out of control with the return of Murakami and possibly the remaining zoalords.

Guyot will force Sho to relinquish the Gigantic to Valcuria, meanwhile he will attack Sho with the remover but fail.

Agito will fight Alcanphel and the remaining zoalords but be badly wounded and may relinquish his gigantic to Sho so he is back in the game.

Guyot attacks Agito with the remover and secures his unit.

Somehow Sho's unit will be hit with the remover possibly by choice to create a unit G that Aptom forces onto Imakarum, the Guyer will restore his memory and after fighting and destroying Guyot he will fight Alcanphel.

At some point in this fight Sho will get the gigantic to Imakarum so he can defeat both enemies.

...Or not.

[Cannibal]

This is awesome chapter!

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[Super Existence]

I wish Guyot would sort his hair out, I miss his magnificent quiff.

[*Jess♥]

cannibal, nice

so hey, this talking about imakarum possibly being apollon and collecting the crystals to heal alkanfel...

well alky is said to have the abilities of all zoalords. we might assume he also has the ability that shizu has. healing.

but that is not to say he can heal himself of whatever is wrong. but imakarum has some of alky's abilities if not all of them.

imakarum could potentially heal alky.

[river_chaos]

That's a lot of science for my brain to process, Ryuki, but I think I know what you're getting at in a way....

If that turns out to be true I'm gonna be mad on an epic scale because I was going to use something like that in my fanfic.

[Angelxero]

cannibal, nice so hey, this talking about imakarum possibly being apollon and collecting the crystals to heal alkanfel... well alky is said to have the abilities of all zoalords. we might assume he also has the ability that shizu has. healing. but that is not to say he can heal himself of whatever is wrong. but imakarum has some of alky's abilities if not all of them. imakarum could potentially heal alky.

Ryuki, there's something that had been bothering me which left me snatching my head with a question. :doubt: :doubt:

1) If Imakarum is really Apollon, where did he get his armour from? :dunderhead:

2) If the armour is from the sphere where alky's reside which he had worn was suppose to be heavily damaged, he would have withstood of high temperature like sho does had it when he was in Chrysalis.

It could be true for Imakarum to have half of alky's abilities if he would have done it.

Edited August 31, 2011 by Angelxero

[*Jess♥]

2) If the armour is from the sphere where alky's reside which he had worn was suppose to be heavily damaged, he would have withstood of high temperature like sho does had it when he was in Chrysalis.

do you mean,

if the armour was in the relic that guyver zero attacked, where alky is now resting....

then it would have survived the megasmasher, because shou's control medal survived the power of the megasmasher above mount minakami.?

the armour and the control medal are made of the same material, aren't they?

[*BananaKing]

Yeah they are, but something bothers me about Apollon being Imakarum...I dont think zoalords can breathe in space and that armor doesnt quite look like it has a breathing apparatus. I'm still hoping my theory is correct and Apollon is an advent or an advent creation with the same body structure as a human.

[Angelxero]

2) If the armour is from the sphere where alky's reside which he had worn was suppose to be heavily damaged, he would have withstood of high temperature like sho does had it when he was in Chrysalis.

do you mean, if the armour was in the relic that guyver zero attacked, where alky is now resting.... then it would have survived the megasmasher, because shou's control medal survived the power of the megasmasher above mount minakami.? the armour and the control medal are made of the same material, aren't they?

No, i mean that i am refering to Imakarum, if he was really wearing armour as Apollon, he would have withstand heats from the sphere from relic which alky was resting. The sphere would have been melted and created into armour done by Imakarum. :confused:

(the armour and the control medal are made of the same material, aren't they?)

Yes, I agree with you and it's true that the armour are indeed made from the same material.

Banana King, me too.

i agree with you that Apollon might be possibly an advent with the same body structure as a human.

Edited August 31, 2011 by Angelxero

[*Jess♥]

bananaking, i think you need to review book 17.

we have already seen imakarum flying into space to get to the ark.

oh, angelxero, you mean the navigation sphere?

I never thought the navigation sphere created or used heat, but it could do. [emote=onion]orly[/emote]

so you think the armour was made out of a navi sphere.. that is very possible!

I am not sure if I considered that before.

I wonder where we are on a translation...

durendal or amika, what is our situation on a translation?

[*BananaKing]

Oh man, now I feel like an idiot