Terminator 6 - Dark Fate

[H222G981]

Get ready. He's back again!

 

[Salkafar]

I secretly hope the conflict is ultimately resolved not with the total destruction of either side, but mutual understanding.

Like in 'The Matrix', which could very nearly have been a Terminator sequel anyway.

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

Is there some kind of obvious reason why John Connor isn't about that I'm missing? Or is that a mystery that is yet to be revealed?

Anyway the trailer looks okay, but I'm as always with Terminator sequels going to remain cautious with my expectations.

[Azaar]

4 hours ago, Bio-Boosted Dude said:

Is there some kind of obvious reason why John Connor isn't about that I'm missing? Or is that a mystery that is yet to be revealed?

Anyway the trailer looks okay, but I'm as always with Terminator sequels going to remain cautious with my expectations.

I've enjoyed the franchise as a whole, even when the movies have been somewhat lackluster, but my favorites will always be the original and T2.  That said, I want to have faith in this movie because a) James Cameron is involved again, which is something that can't be said for any other Terminator movie past T2, and b) Tim Miller did a pretty bang-up job with Deadpool, so I'm actually optimistic (which is better than I can say for Star Wars, thanks to how badly Disney has mangled the sequel trilogy thus far).

As to the former, I have two answers; one is the straight answer, the second is my theory.

1)  I'm guessing mystery that has yet to be revealed.

2) The theory:  let's assume for a moment that Dark Fate is set in present-day.  That's going on 22 years past the events of Judgment Day as both Reese and the T-800 have described them.  Since it's safe to also assume that John Connor was born in 1985, that would mean he's 34 years old at this point.  Now, there's one of two possibilities here:  either John is in hiding and preparing for Judgment Day and what comes afterwards... or time has changed and John Connor is no longer the target.  After all, Sarah does say that the reason she's helping is that "she was once just like her".  My guess is the latter, that Connor isn't the target.

But there's still plenty of questions left to ask, like... why is there an aged T-800 in present-day that Sarah leads Dani and Grace to?  The original T-800 was scrapped in 1984 after killing Reese.  The second T-800 willingly melted himself down to slag in molten metal, along with the remaining parts of the original T-800 from the first movie, at the end of T2.  So where does this aged T-800 come from?  And has time jumped forward in the future as well, given that present-day means there's only a decade between a potential (much belated) Judgment Day and 2029 when Kyle Reese originally followed the first T-800 back to 1984 and the human Resistance under John Connor had effectively "won" the war against Skynet.

Hopefully future trailers will give us a little more to go on -- I imagine we'll get another trailer in a month or thereabouts, and then a final trailer sometime in September (since Nov 1 is the release date for Dark Fate) -- but I don't want too much information.  Movies tend to have a bad habit of letting too much slip.

[Salkafar]

I suspect this is still tied in with time shenanigans. Some force from the outside - a 'Meta-Skynet'? - sent an agent, played by Matthew Smith, to stop the resistance in the future, and throwing time on its ass.

But if this a follow-up tp T2, ignoring the rest of the sequels, Arnold may well be the guy they based all the Terminators on. As you know, the organic shell of a T-800 is based on cloned tissue from a real person.

 

[durendal]

Isn't Arnie getting too old for this $#!T?  But I have to admit, it's not a terminator movie without the original terminator.

[Larz Zahn]

random tech question

 

if they took the blood sample for the t100's from the human.... lets go with doner. then could it be safe to assume that the skeletal structure is also based off the doner?

 

i just find it unsatisfying (for whatever reason, i honestly dont know why i feel this way) if they used an existing skull's bone structure to make a mass produced army. it'll be like having robot clones made of you... that is what is dissatisfying for me.

 

i think i would like it better if the skull structure was a unique design, not based off any one person... ya know?

[Salkafar]

Finally watched it and it was a lot better than I had expected.

[BlackEpyon]

Yeah.  Dark Fate wasn't too bad.  A bit better than Gensys but not by much

[H222G981]

On 2/4/2020 at 12:56 PM, Salkafar said:

Finally watched it and it was a lot better than I had expected.

 

I felt it was good but I believe the reason why the sequels haven't been super big hits is really because of the first 2 films and the second one was a means to an end for the franchise to begin with. Judgment Day didn't leave any room for further sequels. However, I still like watching the first 2 and the other ones that didn't quite make it. 

 

https://screenrant.com/terminator-movie-sequels-bad-problems-reasons-explained/

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The "perfect" perception that most fans have about Terminator 2: Judgment Day is no exaggeration. T2 crafted a very emotional ending when the T-800 sacrificed himself in a pit of lava in order to ensure that not a single piece of his tech could survive, thus preventing the dreaded Judgment Day from ever happening. This is a logical ending both narratively and emotionally. Narratively, The arrival of the T-X (Kristanna Loken) in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines can't possibly happen since there's no Skynet to create it. Without Judgment Day, John Connor's (Christian Bale) fight in the Resistance during Terminator Salvation cannot happen either, or at least not as the movie depicts it. And of course, the elaborate mess of Terminator: Genisys and Terminator Dark Fate has no reason to exist, as absolutely nothing related to Skynet can pop up anywhere in the timeline since Sarah and John saw the last piece of the T-800 burn up.

Dramatically speaking, T2 flipped the theme of the inevitability of destiny from The Terminator and gave the heroes a well-deserved victory, turning the feeble Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton) into a full-fledged action hero while also establishing the fabled John Connor into a real character, not to mention the T-800's transformation from the first movie's villain into the sequel's guardian angel. What seemed to be a death sentence in The Terminator transformed into the conclusion that, as Kyle Reese (Michael Biehn) and Sarah Connor would say, "there's no fate but what we make." In other words, Terminator 2 wrapped up all of its themes as well as it wrapped up its purely narrative elements.

 

Edited October 23, 2020 by Jupiter

[Salkafar]

If there was no Skynet to make Terminators, how could it be destroyed by the actions of a Terminator?

The truth is simply this, and it has been the truth since the very first movie: Skynet is inevitable, whatever it is called.

He is not something that can be avoided. He has to be confronted and defeated, as happened, well, always.

I would accept a version of events in which Skynet and humanity come to a mutually agreeable entente. But that movie already exists and it's called 'Matrix Revolutions'.

#TheMatrixIsASequelToTheTerminator

Edited October 28, 2020 by Salkafar

[durendal]

Yeah, I just saw this the other day.  I'm not really a huge Terminator enthusiast and merely enjoy the movies despite what the public says.  I also view this movie in a similar way.  I enjoyed it, period.

I did notice something different here, unlike the previous installment where they end the movie by stopping what's to come from happening, this movie actually accepts the future and just went on to prepare for it.

Terminator 2 - Prevent future by destroying the T-800 and all of it's remnants

Termiantor 3 - Prevent future by stopping activation of Skynet

Terminator Salvation - Doesn't really count since this happened in the future

Terminator Genisys - Prevent future by destroying a newly born AI that eventually becomes skynet

Terminator Dark Fate - Oh F**k it, you're just gonna come back anyway

[H222G981]

Terminator Genesys became one of the most international popular sequels in Terminator history. While it might have failed in America, it's extremely popular in Russia and China. 

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Genisys was a massive hit to the overseas market, particularly in China and Russia, grossing $350 million, and effectively tripling the box office revenue against its budget. Similarly, Dark Fate had a larger budget at nearly $200 million, but while it was not a bonafide success story overseas, it tripled the $62 million domestic gross with $188 million internationally. 

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/russia-and-china-quietly-made-arnold-schwarzeneggers-biggest-failure-terminator-genisys-an-international-success.html/

[Salkafar]

15 hours ago, durendal said:

Yeah, I just saw this the other day.  I'm not really a huge Terminator enthusiast and merely enjoy the movies despite what the public says.  I also view this movie in a similar way.  I enjoyed it, period.

I did notice something different here, unlike the previous installment where they end the movie by stopping what's to come from happening, this movie actually accepts the future and just went on to prepare for it.

Terminator 2 - Prevent future by destroying the T-800 and all of it's remnants

Termiantor 3 - Prevent future by stopping activation of Skynet

Terminator Salvation - Doesn't really count since this happened in the future

Terminator Genisys - Prevent future by destroying a newly born AI that eventually becomes skynet

Terminator Dark Fate - Oh F**k it, you're just gonna come back anyway

Terminator 3's whole point was that Skynet could not be stopped from existing.

Same way that John Connor is the son of a man from the future, which means he will never be born without the time machine, which was created by Skynet. No judgment day = no John Connor.

[H222G981]

10 hours ago, Salkafar said:

Same way that John Connor is the son of a man from the future, which means he will never be born without the time machine, which was created by Skynet. No judgment day = no John Connor.

 

Yep. They can't change the future in the way that they think it will be. I liked how Dark Fate introduced a butterfly effect to the changes Sarah, Uncle Bob, and John made. They sent ripples through time. I feel like when they did that. Time tried to correct itself by killing off John with a T-800 that is marooned and then started a new slate. 

Skynet is replaced by Legion and John Connor is replaced by Dani Ramos after he's terminated by a marooned T-800. Sarah Connor's role in the past remains unfettered. 

Sarah Connor, John, and Uncle Bob did not change the future, they made it worse. It's like the 3 of them met horrible fates after trying to prevent it.

I think Sarah should have just let things play out the way they were supposed to. If she had, Uncle Bob could have insured John Connor's survival into the future and the T-1000 and Carl would have failed in assassinating him. It makes sense to me that Skynet sent multiple terminators thru time to kill John. 

I imagine Legion probaby sent 10 or 15 Rev-9's thru time to deal with Dani and only 1 was able to track her down successfully.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Jupiter