What if...

[McAvoy]

Just to revive the forum a little...

What if Warrior Guyver after he killed the Guyver Zoalord was unable to go back to the future. Assume for the moment that the Creators leave thinking he is either dead or went back. With 2.5 million years of experience, what would his attitude be once the time is right for him to 'come back' into the fold? What new abilities would he have? How would it change the rest of the storyline?

[Spartan Warlord]

hmm...well firstly id say afta 2.5millions years bonded to the WG jason should have mastered or atleast be aware of all the abilities he has...id say he'd be less caring about humanity due to all the wars that wouldnt happend through humanity...also a massive point would be if jason didnt return to the future then the possibility of him becomin a matrix warrior guyver may be greatly reduced or some other guyver may merged instead of him or maybe no matrix warrior guyver atall...he might make it his own personal mission to stop chronos before it even starts by going straight for Alk, which inturn would save his wife from dyin at their marriage BUT it would be his wife it would be jason of that timelines wife...the possibilites are endless...but if i was in his shoes id proberly wander the stars for the next 2.5million years until he caught up to where he left off

[Juggernought]

I agree...his attitude will definitely change. Being virtually immortal and the most powerful guyver on the planet I'd say the human tribe he affiliates himself with will become much more powerful than others. Similar to how LFG did with his tribe. I think there could also be a possibility of him and Alkanphel teaming up. Remember he would have witnessed the creators attempting to obliterate the earth and Alkanphel saving it, so there is always that possibility. And since Alk knows nearly all there is to know about psionics, he could show jason a thing or to about the other effects his unit could produce. The story line would probably change a lot. At first he might not want to try and effect anything so as he could get back to his time eventually but over time this would become a non factor. Plus he knows where most of the units are located so my guess is many of them would have different hosts.

[WarriorZoalord]

Just imagine if Primitive Guyver was a WG and thats pretty much what you'd have.

[Aranor]

He may have taken advantage of the situation, taken out Alkanhpel in his weakened state, zoanoids would never come to fruition which would mean chronos would never have ruined his wedding. Having no need he would never have become the warrior guyver to go back in time to stop the guyver zoaloard so the GZ would have destroyed the world making for no Jason.......

[McAvoy]

Yes, it would be like Pirmitive Guyver being a Warrior Guyver. That was the point.

However, remember that Jason is smart, he knows that if he changes the timeline drastically, it might prevent him from going back in time to kill the Guyver Zoalord. So he might not want to prevent the foundation of Chronos as much as he would like to.

However any theories on abilities he might have using that massive experience?

[WarriorZoalord]

I would say he would have discovered how to boost his power using the gravity shield, aside from just protecting him and throwing out big attacks.

[Sully]

As McAvoy said Jason does think things out. So he'd most likely find the most under populatated section of the Earth and hide out or head someplace that he'd not impact humanity at all.... That or he'd try and find a way to hibernate.

As much as he hates Chronos though, he'd not take any actions he'd see as impacting on them and hteir creation. As he might as well kill himself and get it over with then as the Guyver Zoalord would then obliterate everything.

Remember at this point there is no Dreadnought so he's no way of knowing what he could have trown away.

Just to trow in another twist. What if he looked for another testing ground? Where would it have been and why is it no longer in use (hints are already in the fiction)?

[Aranor]

I forget if he had the matrix or not at that time. If he did not and he chose not to interfere with the future (Which is basically impossible as anything he does impacts the future) I would say for new abilities they would be limited as the Warrior unit does not evolve.....that we know of. In time he could basically hone himself to be the ultimate in human performace as it appears primitive guyver has done increasing strength, stamina, and response time.

If he does have the matrix I would say it would give him the opportunity to explore the knowledge of the creators and with that. Who's to say he could not materialize their technology and build himself into something stronger than dreadnaught.

[McAvoy]

Well with 2.5 million years of experience as a Warrior Guyver, he may be more comfortable with the idea as a Guyver. Remember that Jason in the fanfic thinks the Guyver as a tool as a means for his revenge and that someday he will remove the unit and Fiona's and live a normal life.

But he may change that and might be more willing to become something greater than the fanfic Dreadnought. But he definitely would not allow himself to become a Dreadnought Zoalord.

[sonarelite]

Who knows in 2.5 million years alot can happen and as a guyver jason would live through all those years and see all that happens wars, tyrants, would be conquerors the whole shabang.

The jason in the stories would not be the same, maybe the same in some aspects and not in others. He may choose to to become a warrior gyver zoalord or zoaform, because of what he's seen over a span of 2.5 millions years. Who Know's ???

[Aranor]

On a darker note it could also be a long time to consider what it was he saved and perhaps stop himself from ever becoming warrior guyver. Perhaps even born. 2.5 million years is a long time for an entity that was designed to max out at 120 years to exist.

But if he was bent on what he had done must be done then yeah that is a lot of time to get to know his warrior unit. But for us to speculate is just that speculation. He would not learn more than what the unit was designed to do. Only how to use it.

[McAvoy]

Aside from the obvious mastery of martial arts, he will also be a master of his own unit. He would be able to use certain abilities much more differently than he would have in the actual fanfic. He might be able to focus the gravity shield into various attacks and abilites. He would be able to fully utlilize the massive reflexive abilites his unit provides him.

[*zeo]

He would not learn more than what the unit was designed to do. Only how to use it.

Well yes and no... Like McAvoy has hinted at what Jason could be capable of after so much time would be quite significant despite the limitations of his unit.

After all PG is just a normal Guyver but despite that he is capable of things that would be beyond a normal Guyver...

A Warrior Guyver though is naturally more powerful and capable of so much more... Basically Jason could potentially make himself as powerful as Dark Nova, at least for a limited time, if he could perfect both himself and master every aspect of his unit... specifically the HSL and Gravity Shield.

[McAvoy]

Remember that the Warrior Guyver has everything that the standard Guyver has plus more. So he'll do everything that Primitive Guyver is able to do better and more.

He might be able to focus his body shield intro fist for example (SIF) for added impact is another example. He might even be able to increase his strength that way as well.

Though if events follow the way they in did in the fanfic, Warrior Guyver might still get vaporized by Warrior Alkanphel. As Dreadnought, he'll more than likely be much stronger (at the base, somehwere between Zagam and the actual Dreadnought).

[*zeo]

For comparison lets look at some other sci-fi characters...

Take Cable from X-Men for example, the techno virus he was infected with was kept in constant check by his psionic force of will. Even when he slept he had to constantly keep it in check.

Imagine this sort of mental training and how Jason could apply it, Sunspot for example acquired some of that training from Cable and it greatly improved his abilities. Like before he had to be in direct sunlight to activate his power but after he could transform at any time as he kept a constant charge of solar energy.

To an extreme you can look at something like Yu Yo Hakusho's Spirit Wave Orb, taking Cable's type of mental training could allow Jason to focus and contain an enormous charge of gravitational energy that he could use his HSL system to contain. Meaning he could tap its enormous power at will without having to charge up all the time as he normally would have to do. Essentially giving Jason the equivalent of Dark Nova's singularity, he just would have to maintain it by an act of will but after millions of years of mental training it would be as easy as breathing for him to do.

To emphasis lets do a what if and say Jason did take the long way back and only revealed himself at the time he would have otherwise had returned. Between the ancient zoalords and other similar factors he would had plenty of opportunity to explore his abilities over the last 2.5 million years. But Jason's greatest strength is his force of character, the same reason he would never become a zoaform and clings to his humanity would essentially keep him the same man.

Like Duncan McCloud of Highlander, he's basically totally human and totally incorruptable (brain washing by Anubis not withstanding ).

That said, he would probably know his sister was alive and allow himself to be captured but from there things will change...

When confronted by the Bio-Titan, Jason would just absorb the bio-blast the Bio-Titan fired that would have originally blasted a hole through him and then casually fires it back ten times more powerful and obliterates the Bio-Titan.

WG2 shows up thinking Jason taking on Chronos by himself is too arrogant and when he confronts WG and tries to CPM speed boost WG just stops him cold with as he holds out his hand and traps WG2 in a gravitational field. Wags his finger in a no, no, tsk, tsk gesture and then with a wave of his hand send WG2 hurtling explosively out of the Chronos base at near half the speed of light and can't stop himself until he's way past the orbit of the moon.

Jason could use his blast field and manipulate its dimensional properties to alter his local space/time. Doing things like accelerating his person time by 10x so would have speed rivaling the Present G2's super speed.

He could focus and control gravity energy to increase his physical power to incredible levels. A mere pressure cannon could become a mini-black hole blast.

Even in human form Jason's ability to tap his blast field at will would allow him to manipulate his person time for super speed and could pull off some other tricks like Zoalord like gravity blade blasts and flight. He just wouldn't be able to Bio-Boost like he can with the Matrix.

It is true that this means it is unlikely Jason would become Dreadnought but he would know about the Gigantic and could easily see the potential of the Matrix. His by then powerful mind could easily then just will Dreadnought into existence. But this ultimately makes him a fic ending character so it's a good thing our Jason is still so young

[McAvoy]

Ok, let's switch it around. Let's say when Warrior Guyver 2 comes to the WG universe he accidently sends himself 2.5 million years ago, right after Warrior Guyver left. Let's for the moment ignore the Matrix because two things will happen. He'll easily go forward in time, and if he doesn't do that, he'll eventually figure out that the Matrix could upgrade him.

So what would WG2 be like?

[*zeo]

I would imagine that the Matrix would either eventually merge with him or will eventually do so at his will.

With the Matrix he could have immense potential... possibly enough to even deal with Anubis and the WG2 Creators as potentially a Matrix Bonded being has the potential of eventually becoming an ascended being of immense power. So pretty much any way you cut it who ever gets the Matrix and has millions of years of experience would become insanely powerful.

Without the Matrix though, WG2 lacks the immense capabilities of a Gravity Shield but his CPM's and HSL still would allow him to perform incredibly powerful attacks.

Similarly he could use his HSL and CPM's to store an immense charge of energy that he can call upon in an instant and his CPM's can similarly be used to manipulate his local space/time. So he could make himself incredibly fast, or phase through objects, increase his density. He could manipulate his CPM energy into physical weapons, similar to the Enforcer Kavzar. He could acquire combat abilities similar to XT, channeling bio-energy like XT can plasma energy. He could create conduits into hyper space that result in massive explosive discharges. He could even manipulate the CPM field to produce a attack similar to Destrol's White Hole blast...

His main limit would be he wouldn't be able to store as much energy as WG can with his Gravity Shield and also wouldn't be able to extend his power far beyond himself.

For perspective though a WG with 2.5 Million years would have greater range and total power but otherwise they would be very similar.

Story wise though, if WG2 spent millions of years before arriving on WG Earth and WG didn't have a similar time frame of experience then WG2 would of course pawn WG in every way.

[McAvoy]

I think even Primitive Guyver would pawn the two Warrior Guyvers at least in close combat.