XT & W'kar

[Spartan Warlord]

A wise man once said......"Scientia est potentia - Knowledge is power"

That may be true but right now Knowledge isnt going to fight off the Grakken swarm...even W'Kar see's he might not make it to the end and you no its bad when he thinks like that...maybe when things have cooled down more he may pick the matrix mind IF he survives

[Takara]

A cure for cancer won't help Jason wipe out endless Grakken warriors. Yes, it's possible he could 'perfect' humanity but his current concern, if you haven't noticed, is keeping humanity ALIVE.

What you're sayin' really is you want Jason to have no life. To fight when he's needed and then spend all of his free time trying to help everyone out even more. He IS still human ya know. He does need time to himself.

[Kamui de' Tempest]

Not really. What I'm saying is that I wish that Jason took knowledge alittle more to heart. For example, he's happened across most of his powers, since becoming Matrix enhanced,by luck or the "will" of the matrix itself. Now who's to say that the matrix doesn't have some creator knowledge on lets say, quantum mechanics, (which it should since thats how the little rock works right). Now if he knew what the Matrix knows on this subject he has effectively learned more about what he is capable of. Knowledge can still have wartime applications. I wasn't speaking of purely humanitarian pursuits. Jeeez, you do know that there is a war being foought, right?

[Spartan Warlord]

lol of course the matrix could hold so much that could help humanity generally and in times of war buts 1. its getting the time to use it and 2. its having the desire to know....i mean really since becoming WG hes had minimal time to just kick back and chillax

[Takara]

Long discussion short Kamui, if Jason A) cared to do it or B) had the time to do it, I'm sure he would, meaning he either doesn't care or doesn't have the time.

I'm thinking its more the doesn't care one, as he could use his Quantum Time ability to take all the time he wants to learn whatever he needs to.

[*zeo]

Jason could handle the knowledge (due to the Matrix enhancments to his DNA as well as his mind), Why wouldn't he?

There is no way Jason could handle all that knowledge. You're forgetting he hasn't let the Matrix directly change anything about him.

So without the Matrix he is still completely human.

He may have some augmentation from the Matrix but the same thing that prevents Jason from realizing the full power of Matrix also limits his access to its other potentials.

[exscaped_pyscho]

Jason isn't completely human. The matrix is merged directly with his DNA, and has rewired his brain. You don't get funky mind powers unless there has been major redecorating upstairs! They guy has creator level psionic abilities, not to mention the matrix is always there inside him. The knowledge is already there he just isn't using it. For that reason I think he's an idiot. The Grakken may have a weakness the Matrix knows or could learn about that he could use to his advantage. Such as their self destructing Control Medals; Use the matrix and the other one in combination to send out a signal and blow them all up in one go (not unlike how the Replicators were delt with on SG-1). The Matrix offers nearly god like abilities but Jason is too stupid to embrase the power and knowledge it offers. I think Jason needs a swift kick in the butt! Or possibly the head since thats what he's refusing to use. The greatest weapon currently known to man doesn't have anything to do with fighting ability! The Atomic bomb doesn't require an army or military might, it requires a single person with balls to push the button. Push the button Jason!!!!!!!! Push IT!!!!!!!

[W'Kar]

I like your point!

But Jason is very very close to human. He doesn't have creator level psionic capability in human form. It is only when he is all Dreadnought-ified that he is at that level.

[exscaped_pyscho]

All the same if I were him, I'd open myself to the Matrix completley! Then again I'm more of thinker than a fighter. Instead of going out and fighting all these Grakken myself I think I'd either use the matrix to make me an army or create a biological weapon that would destroy my enemies for me. Why risk dieing when it isn't needed?

Another solution to the problem is destroying the Ship altogether. Then there wouldn't be any thing for them to steal! Completly blow it up and probelm solved. Although they might stick around to make sure there wasn't any other sorces of Warrior tech laying around.

But Jason's Quantum abilities should be enough to give him the upper hand. He can doge any attack if he puts his mind to it. I'm still for pushing the button myself! Kill em all let the creators sort them out!

[Kamui de' Tempest]

I'd have to agree with the psycho, it's not like he doesn't have the time to figure this out (as was stated before) Quantum Time------>HALALUYA!!! It doesn't have to be all at once, He could be like matrix help me understand about quantum mechanics, super string theory, SUGRA(super gravity), and what not. All these things ( i think) could help him figure what he's capable of instead of having them happen out of need in a fight. Now i know the last statement is really a non issue because if he know all these things right off it would make for a really short fic, so i appreciate that he got's to get the noddle knocked around first. All I'm doing is playing the devil's advocate.

[Spartan Warlord]

if jason destoryed the crashed ship he'd basically mite aswell join the creators...look what happend when he destoryed the Lab at the ACTF now think of what would happen if he did the same to the ship...he'd be public enemy No.1 on the ACTFs list...although i do agree with the rest...

[WarriorZoalord]

if jason destoryed the crashed ship he'd basically mite aswell join the creators...look what happend when he destoryed the Lab at the ACTF now think of what would happen if he did the same to the ship...he'd be public enemy No.1 on the ACTFs list...although i do agree with the rest...

as it's been shown in the WG2 universe, the ACTF would rather blow a creator craft up than let chronos get their hands on it.

[Spartan Warlord]

yes of course but that would be like the FINAL resort...

[exscaped_pyscho]

In my ranting and ravings I didn't consider many things. True it wouldn't be a good idea for the plot if Jason became some super genious all the sudden but still something drastic has got to be done to counter the threat of the Grakken. The only thing that could help the situation is if the second wave isn't Grakken in nature. Maybe the Creators are getting off the butts and lending a helping hand, after all they want Warrior tech as bad as the Grakken.

Then again if it were me I'd blow up the clan ship without a second thought. Having to defend the ship is hampering Jason's ability to counter the Grakken's numbers big time. Either that or Use Quantum Fusion with GPZ and kick the living crap out of them. Although Dark Nova or Black Nova would be a better bet. Gravity based weapons mixed with Jason's Gravity Shield weapon. I'd say that would be enough to kill em all a hundred times over. But he'd have to be quick about it. Time limit and all.

I'd still like him to use his brain a little more. A well thought out attack plan or matrix created counter measure would be a nice change to his straight forward attacks, he's ow so fond of using. He hasn't used a battle plan since the Time War story line. Since then it's been attack first think about it later. In that way he's like W'kar but not as dark plot wise.

[Spartan Warlord]

if the Creators turn up id definately call that a last resort and i coudl see Jason destorying the ship even he's got enough sense to no that it would be a lost cause and they'd would over shadow the Grakken army like how the Grakken army over shadows Earth they would come in amazing force...BUT i do see W'Kars Evo happing rather soon...

[Takara]

I'd still like him to use his brain a little more. A well thought out attack plan or matrix created counter measure would be a nice change to his straight forward attacks, he's ow so fond of using. He hasn't used a battle plan since the Time War story line. Since then it's been attack first think about it later. In that way he's like W'kar but not as dark plot wise.

Well unless you've been reading a different set of Fan-Fictions, the Matrix is constantly feeding Jason with battle strategies and tactics to help him through his fights. It's one reason he's so damn hard to kill.

But yes, Psycho, you yourself might wish to become super non-human, but Jason doesn't. That's the whole point of it. For all the threads on this site asking why Jason doesn't use the Matrix to make himself stronger, here is the answer to it, meaning you can stop worrying over it:

Jason wants to remain a human. Making himself more powerful would entail making things about him inhuman and that's not what he wants.

With the destroying the ship part, it's the ship that's keeping the Grakken from outright destroying the planet. If it was destroyed there would be nothing to stop them from turning all cannons on the planet itself and opening fire.

[Spartan Warlord]

yes well think about it...

blow up the ship and stop the grakkens/chronos and what eva else to come out the wormholes and then do there best to survive and with more help the ACTF as they would have to help

OR

Hold the Grakken for aslong as possible proberbly get over run then die Grakkens get some nice new Warrior Tech then stil blow up the earth...

The Grakkens hate everything creator made weather it guyver or human so either way ship or no ship there pretty screwed...

Oh i have a fort what if Some Variation of the AAR came out of the worm holes

[W'Kar]

Your correct. If Jason was to gain more power the ONLY way would be to utilize changes to himself, make himself inhuman.

If you've noticed, the human cap on power with Guyver units is 25X, Jason's 40X boost mode can only be handled for short times because he cannot handle that power.

W'Kars are changed beings. Reproductions are still non-human, but 95% of them is. That's why they can get to higher power levels and still be okay. W'Kar himself is human....for now. Anubis cannot qualify anywhere near human. Zagam is a Evolved Lycanlord, an intelligent being which is why his body can handle those higher powers. But look at Zagam! He's a freaking monster!

[Juggernought]

Very true, but if Jason was clever enough to realize that even if he had the matrix modify him to make himself stronger, surely he could get the matrix to return him to his "original" state as Dreadnought once things have been taken care of. But, fat chance of that happening. Mabe Angel could zap him a few times to show him how she is getting stronger through change.

[*zeo]

Nope, changes would tend to be permanent. After all, it's not like the Matrix to de-evolve its host and besides one of the problems of changing Jason is he will no longer be Jason when it happens so like Zagam he would most likely not want to become his old self again and instead becomes a monster.

So Exactly as Allen said, besides the knowledge within the Matrix was created by alien beings.

Even with the Matrix translating it would be like Einstein trying to explain relativity to a caveman.

So the things the Matrix would have to do to Jason's brain to make it possible for him to understand would totally change who he is, he wouldn't be Jason anymore.

Jason isn't completely human. The matrix is merged directly with his DNA, and has rewired his brain. You don't get funky mind powers unless there has been major redecorating upstairs

Sorry but there has been no redecorations. The Matrix is doing all the work, he just has a direct mental link with the Matrix just like a normal Guyver has with their CM but they are still human.

So yes the Matrix is enhancing him but it is still a separate entity. In his human form the Matrix forms a third separate strand of DNA, it didn't integrate itself into Jason's chromosomes. It's just sharing space.

And as Takara stated Jason has been using strategy non-stop. The Problem is there isn't really much strategy when it comes to a fight between over a million to one.

The very fact he has a fighting chance at all is testament to his fighting skills and abilities because that many Grakkens have far more power than he does.

It's like the battle with the army of Bio-Titans but 1000 times worse.

[exscaped_pyscho]

I don't think Jason would have to become less human, Rather more human in my opinion. I'm not talking about a change in his physical capabilities or even his psionic abilities. I'm talking about him becoming smarter. His brain could easily handle the amount of information and process it well enough. Plus the knowledge is already there within his DNA. I don't think Jason needs to become more powerful, in fact I think he's already too powerful. I'd like him to become more intelligent, educated I geuss you could call it. I don't want him to become a zoaform, on the contrary. I hate the idea of him becoming a zoaform of any kind. If I were in his shoes I sure as hell wouldn't want my Humanity being stripped away no matter what I'd be capable of doing after it was complete. I geuss you could say I want Jason to explore the untapped potential within him. Become more evolved. A easy way of doing so would be to amp up his cognitive abilities, after all humans only use ten to fifteen percent of our brain's potential. The writers could even put a limit on the amount of time the matrix could maintain the stability of the 'Matrix Knowledge' like the limit on his power boost levels.

[Kamui de' Tempest]

personally, i think when/if he accessed all that information it may force an evolutionary change in brain to handle and accomodate it all. like you said, we only use 10-15% as it is. They made a movie called Phenomenon based on something like this. man gets zapped by alien light and unlocks the untapped potential of the human brain. with the Matrix already in his DNA, it's not far fetched that it could speed up his evolution anyway. nothin more human than being the next step in natural evolution. the pinacle of the human race. what all could be given enough time. heck, i think the human race is going to evolve to an energy state anyway. we might all be plasmoids of some such eventually

[Juggernought]

The thing is...the matrix will only perform such an action if it is the desire of the host. I think you can view Jason's current transformation(in human form) as a side effect of merging with the matrix. Should he have the desire to gain power through changing his physiology the matrix would more than likely start the evolution process, but Jason specifically expressed desires to remain as human as possible, why would the matrix go against its host/master's wishes?

[Kamui de' Tempest]

to keep him alive for one.

[Spartan Warlord]

to keep him alive for one.

The martix knows there is a massive Grakken Armada well capable of killing jason so if it was able to go against jasons wishes then im sure it would have done so by now...