Exhaust Vents

[Shenzon]

I have a question about the exhaust ports on Guyvers. I know on Guyvers they exhaust any heat or waste from the ports on or around the face, but when in Gigantic forms, it would seem they also exhale steam through ends of their shoulder pods as well. Or at least, that is what it seems on the Anime. Did anyone else notice that? If so, its understandable. I can't imagine them with their large bodies exhaling all waste and steam through the small ports on or around the face.

[Kamui de' Tempest]

I know what your talking about, I remember that from Gigantic Descending. I think it has to do with the extending of the antennas because it wasn't done before or after they extended. Maybe it was something akin to a piston like process? Still, I think the rebreather ports still function as a waste venting system for both forms.

[*zeo]

The Gigantic has twice as many face vents and no the shoulder pods do not emit steam. As far as we know the shoulder pods are what generates the omni shield.

Remember the Guyver doesn't eat so the only waste is from metabolism.

So most waste is just excess heat.

The Head Beam is actually the other heat vent system, venting excess internal body heat.

And we know the Gigantic has three of those, the main head beam can fire a beam 5x more powerful than normal and the two adjacent beam orbs fire 1x beams each.

Just goes to show, even the heat vents on the Guyver can be weapons

[Shenzon]

But on the anime, they showed steam venting before they extended downward. It does sound more like what Kamui de' Tempest is talking about. Maybe its just a one time thing when they first activate the Gigantic Unit only. Have you seen the new anime Zeo1234?

[*zeo]

The Armor, as a whole, also steams when bio-boosted. This isn't actual steam but excess energy bleeding off.

G1 showed this effect when he deactivated and then reactivated his armor in the Manga.

Kinda like when something gets hit by lightning and you see a mist coming off the object.

But internal venting only happens through the face vents and the head beam orbs.

[Spartan Warlord]

cool...so u could cut through some zoanoids and recieve a refreshing cool sensation at the same time lool

[Shenzon]

cool...so u could cut through some zoanoids and recieve a refreshing cool sensation at the same time lool

Hahaha...

[*zeo]

Yup, also shows why it's a bad idea to make a Guyver hot under the collar or steamed at you in any way

[Spartan Warlord]

Yup, also shows why it's a bad idea to make a Guyver hot under the collar or steamed at you in any way

made me think...so say a guyver was in a environment where the temperature started to heat him up...would the headbeam be stronger??...or more effective due to the excess heat??

[*zeo]

Depends on how much heat energy the Guyver Absorbed but basically the power output is constant so would just mean they can fire it longer.

[Tyranthrax]

The Armor, as a whole, also steams when bio-boosted. This isn't actual steam but excess energy bleeding off.

G1 showed this effect when he deactivated and then reactivated his armor in the Manga.

Kinda like when something gets hit by lightning and you see a mist coming off the object.

But internal venting only happens through the face vents and the head beam orbs.

Zeo, I think the part in particular he's pointing at is when a vapor-like mist is jettisoned from the shoulder pods when the pikes first extended from them. He's not talking about the entire body steaming in general, but ONLY that particular part where it shows the force of air coming OUT of the shoulder pods, around the extending points.

So instead of beating around the bush and talking about excess energy bleed-off, I'm sure he'd like to hear what you think about the steam that leaves from that ONE portion of the pods.

Because of their design, I think it's possible it was just excess energy being vented through that point, but now that the 'blades' are extended, therefore blocking the path, it won't visibly vent energy from there.

If it does it everytime the Gigantic is activated, then it's probably just the energy being able to vent from that port before the spike slides into place.

[W'Kar]

Or it's just meant to make it look cool

[Shenzon]

Thanks Tyranthrax, that's what I was thinking, that maybe its something caused by the initial activation of the Gigantic unit. Which is understanding considering its size and the amount of technology and merging required to boost not only a human form, but a standard guyver into a Gigantic Guyver. It makes sense that once the boosting or merging is complete, that a lot of energy and waste would need to be expelled.

[Aranor]

Here's a thought. Since the Gigantic is a lot larger than the normally armored host both the human and the guyver armor need to be augmented to fit into the gigantic form. There is a lot of space between the host and the gigantic as it is sealing shut (Even though it is appearing from another dimension). My thinking is as the guyver/host grows to fit inside the gigantic air or whatever the surrounding medium is is compressed and expelled through the vents........kinda like a fart.

[Shenzon]

Hahaha....that sounds about right. The idea behind the human and guyver forms being altered to fit inside and form the inner organs and bones of the Gigantic sounds incredible! Because if you think about them having a bone structure being created from 2 bodies(human and normal guyver), thats awesome! Like when Sully mentioned Dreadnought cracking his knuckles before flying off into space to battle the Grakken. When before the unit was summoned, it was hollow.

I Love It!!!

[*zeo]

I'm not beating around the bush, in the Manga the entire Gigantic steamed when it first activated, not just the shoulder pods, and the FACT is whenever the Gigantic is activated it is a Bio-Boost just like with the normal Unit.

If the anime did it differently then that's just the animators artistic license. Every time the unit has activated in the Manga it has always been the whole armor.

Though a far simplier explaination is the that when the spike pushed its way outward it also pushed out any residual steaming from the Bio-Boost that would have been contained by the pod cavity. So it would be the last bit to dissapate.

Or like the movie Aliens, like the steam coming from their extending mouths, there may just have been some liquid on the spikes that steamed. Or that could have been the animators interpretation since the Guyver and the Gigantic are organic.

And the Bio-Boost can make the armor hot. Remember when G3 landed on that rooftop his feet cooked it a bit after he had hitched a ride with the Gigantic Cocoon through hyper space.

But also remember that the Gigantic threw a power punch (aka Gravity Knuckles) at Neo-Zektole. This normally produces a bit of a light show as the energy is focused and fired from the knuckles. But in the anime the power amps and knuckles remained all but dark during the battle.

So I wouldn't be taking everything you see in the anime literally.

The Bio-Boost itself is why the Gigantic can instantly regenerate when passed from one Guyver to another, with only it's energy reserves suffering as that takes longer to recharge.

But yes, the Gigantic does alter the Guyver just like the Guyver alters the host.

The exact sequence is this. . .

The host unit CM extends, then the Gigantic CM ring appears and merges with the host CM to form the Gigantic CM. While the Gigantic organism goes over the Guyver like a second skin.

Merged the Gigantic then grows to Gigantic size, just like the normal Gigantic muscles and shoulders are shown expanding in the anime, and the transformation is complete.

[Shenzon]

Thanks Zeo1234, you just answered my next question. I was just getting ready to ask, how come when in the comics during activation or deactivation, the unit is seen as the same size as the standard unit, then the next seen he is now over 10 feet tall. But that makes since with it immediately growing and expanding after activation. Is it kept in the cocoon in its smaller state, or its larger form?

Thanks Zeo1234, your answer makes it a lot easier to understand the merging of the two units. I'm just one of those that likes to imagine everything as I read it, but that always confused me.

[*zeo]

Okay, you want answers. . . Here's most of them

The Gigantic is smaller inside the cocoon.

In fact if you see the Gigantic standing next to the Cocoon after activation it is bigger than the Cocoon.

It's also one of the reasons the spikes pop out after the Gigantic exits the Cocoon.

Though in the Manga some times the Gigantic exits the Cocoon before wrapping onto the host Guyver as happened one time when G1 activated it in mid-air. This is the scene that shows the Gigantic wrapping around him like a second skin before growing into it's final state.

This is also shown with the host unit, like the first time it was deactivated by Sho we could see it sort of shrunken/shriveled up like a discarded skin before it sank into the pond/lake.

This versus each time we see it activated we are shown the muscles and shoulders expanding upon activation.

We also know from the translation that the Guyver unit significantly alters the host internal structure.

The lungs are replaced by the Smasher cells and a smaller more efficient pair are placed near the neck, the vocal cords are removed, the heart is replaced/transformed into a superior version but still linked to host brain so has the exact same heart beat pattern.

The other internal organs are pretty much all regressed as their is no need for digestion system since the Guyver has unlimited energy so the host doesn't need to eat while using the armor.

The organism merges with the bones and muscles and channels energy into them vastly increasing their strength and power.

Momentum enhancer organs are placed at key points throughout the body allowing the Guyver to boost momentum by 10x. So kicks and punches, etc. are extremely powerful.

All channeling gravitational energy from the gravity control orb which when they get to the wrist/palms area the special organs their allow them to focus the energy to form the pressure cannon.

The organs in the hips allow the energy to be focused like a gyroscope which allows the unit to focus the gravitational energy to allow the Guyver to fly.

The Guyver eyes merge with the hosts to provide superior vision since the Guyver eyes provide a much larger surface area, absorbing more light and providing a larger peripheral vision range.

The sonic orbs produce all sound so are used for both speach and for sonic attacks of varying power and range. The multiple orbs allows for detuning which allows the sonic beam to be properly focused for long range attacks.

The additional orbs provided by the Gigantic allows greater detuning range so the Gigantic can fire the sonic attack at much further range and power. GG1 has 2 extra (for a "T" shaped configeration), while GG3 has 3 (for an "X" shaped configeration) extra sonic buster orbs.

The power amps on the Gigantic follow pretty much the same layout as the momentum enhancers on the normal Guyver. So similarly they channel the unit's gravitational energy but the Gigantic has three gravity control orbs and the power amps focus and amplify the energy being channeled to the point that the Gigantic has 20x the power of a normal unit.

The head beam channels and focus heat energy from inside the Guyver providing a sort of heat valve that also serves as a weapon. Though the Guyver itself is pretty much immune to the head beam, only produces small scorch marks, it is easily hot enough to slice through steel I-Beams as easily as a knife through air and is classified as a superior laser weapon than Vamore's.

The Gigantic's main head beam orb is larger and so can fire a discharge 5x more powerful but also has two additional smaller orbs on either side that can fire at the normal 1x power level. Providing the Gigantic a maximum of 7x the laser fire power of a normal Guyver.

The Gigantic's knuckles are metallic but nothing is stated about them other than that they are what focus and discharges the gravity knuckles (aka power punch) attack. Channeling power from the power amps to produce a massive discharge that can kill zoanoids even without direct contact as was shown when GG1 took care of an entire hallway of zoanoids with one punch in their direction.

The chest spike on the Gigantic can extend like a vibrational sword to form a spear like protrusion that the Gigantic extends foward as it fires its back thrusters and activates it's barrier shield as it hurtles towards it's target. This attack is called the Gravity Ram and is considered an extremely powerful attack with the added benefit of shielding the Gigantic at the same time.

The Vibrational swords are specialized armor made to vibrate at high frequency which creates a sonic shockwave that breaks apart the molecular bonds of the target mass. Allowing this weapon to slice through virtually any unshielded material.

The Guyver swords extend up to 1 meter each and can alter angle a few degrees either forward or back. Making it easier to use them either forward or backward.

The Gigantic version adds functionality. The swords can be extended like normal for up to 3 meters length each or the protruding type end can be fired like a harpoon as the remaining length shoots out like a tendril whip for longer range attack. Maximum range is unknown but I think it's around 100 feet or less.

The Gigantic back thrusters are derived from the Relic and are basically plasma jet rockets that allows the Gigantic to rapidly accelerate. Top speed was never given but is presumed to allow for super sonic flight.

The power amps apparently also serve as gravitational gryoscopes since GG3 was able to control his severed leg and made it fly and kick an opponent.

The Hyper Sensor orbs provide the Guyver a 3D RADAR like sense that can allow the Guyver to sense movement of opponents even through walls. With proper focus the Guyver can also scan internal organs and even tell a human from a Zoanoid by scanning their brains.

Exact range of the Hyper Sensors are unknown but it is guessed to be about 100 meters. But the host has to concentrate to use them as was shown in the early days of G1 in which it took awhile before he learned to properly use them.

The Gigantic adds three more sensor orbs for greater detail and range.

The largest of the approximately 12 power amps are the shoulder pods which is what generates the barrier shield. How powerful this shield is is unknown but is assumed to be equivalent to a Zoalord's shield.

It has been noted that a massive lightning strike that was capable to turning an entire city block into a molten mess shattered all the power amp crystals. Though most assumed this was done with the barrier shield up I don't believe that was the case since the Gigantic was performing a gravity knuckle attack at the time so the shield was not up. So is more a testament to how tough the Gigantic is physically.

The Gigantic armor is thicker and more dense so it is very hard to significantly harm a Gigantic. Zoalord Khan in his Dragon Wave form, which is just a little under 6000 tons, stomped repeated on GG1 without seriously harming him.

Physical strength of the Gigantic was never given but I've calculated it to about 5x the Guyver. Though many assume the 20x given for power also stands for the physical strength but I see nothing to support this belief.

The Gigantic's power actually varies and the head beam is only 5x so I think the strength is just equivalent to size increase.

The Smashers for example are 100x more powerful for the Gigantic.

Though the limits of the Gigantic was assumed that when the Gigantic fires its smashers that it can no longer support the Gigantic so it falls off. But this may have been just a limitation imposed by Sho as he has recently revealed the Gigantic's true power.

Spoiler.....

The Gigantic can syphon energy non-stop to the point it will grow to about 60 meters tall.

Range of powers in this state is unknown but is assumed to be incredibly powerful and armor turns reddish and backthrusters are used to fly.

So... any other questions?

[Spartan Warlord]

damn thats pretty insightfull...kinda like a really detailed datafile

[McAvoy]

Yeah I got one. Care to speculate how dense the Giant Gigantic Guyver is when he is 60 meters tall? Assuming that he is an even 3 meters tall, then he would be 8,000 times as massive. Given that, how would his muscular structure take that much extra weight? After all, you just can't scale up a ant to human proportions and expect it to do the same thing in it's regular size. In fact some people (not here) have suggested that if you scaled a human down to ant size it would be far stronger than the ant itself.

But only guess is the energy siphoning acts like a bio boost in itself allowing the giant Gigantic Guyver to undergo yet another bio boost process for the third time. (Host to Guyver, Guyver to Gigantic, and Gigantic to Giant Gigantic).

To me, though this brings up a host of problems besides the 'simple' scaling up.

[Shenzon]

Thanks Zeo1234, that is sweet. Definately explains alot.

Ok, I'm done with Gigantic questions!!

[*zeo]

Yeah I got one. Care to speculate how dense the Giant Gigantic Guyver is when he is 60 meters tall?.

Consider that the Gigantic is not as dense as the Guyver, simple body mass index calculation between Gigantic height and weight and the Guyver height and weight shows this.

Now consider that the Giant Gigantic is probably charged to the gills with energy, which could explain why it turned red. So would technically be even less dense.

Khan himself may be as big as Godzilla but is only a portion of Godzilla's weight.

Khan's form is under 6000 tons while Godzilla is many times that (20,000 to 60,000 depending on which version).

So Giant Gigantic is probably about the same mass density as Khan, give or take a couple hundred tons.

As for muscle power, the Giant Gigantic is a bit slower than the normal Gigantic. And has shown that it needs to use the Back Thrusters to fly. So there was some compromise.

But since the Gigantic is basically a balloon of energy now it can channel a lot more energy into boosting muscle power.

After all that has always been how the unit has augmented the host strength, channeling energy to boost strength and now with immense energy it helps compensate for the size and weight.

Basically like hydrolics this does make the strength scalable so long as there is energy enough to supply that power.

He is definitely physically stronger than Khan, in one scene he grabbed his arms and Khan couldn't bulge. It even appeared like GGG1 ripped Khan's forearms off though that could have been Khan sacrificing them to get away.