Guyver Zoanoids

[Spartan Warlord]

true indeed buh even stil he cudnt take the next step and go ssj3...the power needed to do that is incredable...id agree to say that there fighting skills are equal...

buh in terms of power vegeta cant match him and its his pride that is his set back...bcoz goku was a low level saiyan and vegeta is the prince he cant accept goku is stronger

[Juggernought]

why go to one stage of power if you have the ability to bypass it to another level of power as vegeta can go to ssj4 now.

[Spartan Warlord]

yeh buh he can only do that using the blutz wave and the effect isnt permanent the waves wear off after a while...

[Shenzon]

yeh buh he can only do that using the blutz wave and the effect isnt permanent the waves wear off after a while...

I honestly think that was a screw up on the writers part. As it almost makes no sense..Plus DBGT wasn't written by the same person.

[Spartan Warlord]

yeh thats tru...alot of people dnt actually class dbgt as part of the dragonball universe...to tell the truth i hate dbgt its stupid...iv seen every episode from db to dbgt...im a big a fan of dbz as i am guyver buh my dbz knowlegde is unrivaled...

theres a website to see all the episode and films if ne1 is intrested

http://videodragonball.blogspot.com/sea ... 20Sub-None

[McAvoy]

Vegeta has always been one step or two behind Goku when it came to training. In every saga, Goku always has a trick or two up his sleeve and even at the end of each saga, Goku is always more powerful.

There are only two times where both are equal or nearly equal. That is during the Android saga when Vegeta first transformed into SSJ and SSJ Goku was getting his ass handed to him by Android 19. The other time if you don't count the SSJ3 form was when Vegeta became Majin Vegeta.

[Spartan Warlord]

yeh i agree...every1 knows one of the main reasons he isnt as strong is because he developes a conscious...thats the only reason he's allows him self to go majin so he can go bak to his old ways where nothing matter other than strength

[Shenzon]

Yeah, I never cared for DBGT, and I'm a definate DBZ fan. I have every episode, including the DBGT collection. The original writer didn't write DBGT, which is why I think it did so bad.

DBGT for one, broke all the rules DBZ put in place. Plus it only focused on Goku. No one else even advanced! That was the real stupid part to me. They could've at least had Vegetta reach SSJ3. Gohan, Goten, and Trunks, were all sorry. Not even Pan reached SSj1 at all during the series. Then, when they merge to SS4 Gogetta, it only last for 2 minutes! Supposedly because Goku exhausted all his strength through out the battle?! That is B.S. because no matter the strength level, you are combined for 30 minutes regardless. Plus what happened to Vegetta's tail to allow him to reach SSJ4? Did it just fall off? Those to me were all the reason why I think it ruined such an incredible series. They should've just left it at DBZ if the original writer didn't want to finish, or at least let him read the new story before putting it out...

[Spartan Warlord]

yeh i 100% dbgt was so inconsistent its rediculous...the best episode has to b the last one...even gt sucked nutz it was a shame to no that they wudnt b makin ne more...buh my dbz knowledge is UNRIVALED lol

[Juggernought]

I wonder what both Chronos and ACTF will do when the creators decide to end their guyver experiment and order the self destruct on the test units....That would take out ALOT of powers. Guyver powered zerebubuse would be no more, all the guyver mercenaries would be destroyed as well as possibly ultimus who had the giant test unit. Only Dreadnought currently knows that they have a self destruct program.

[Spartan Warlord]

oh geez good point...cud they not use the other matrix to remove the self destruct program...

is ultimus jus a gigantic upgrade so wudnt jus the ultimus armour be destory and leave him jus a plain old warrior unit

[Juggernought]

He may survive due to the fact he's a warrior unit but the giant upgrade's control medal is directly interfacing with his own so i don't think he'd be that lucky.

[Spartan Warlord]

ohyeh thats true so really it all depends on whether hes got the Ultimus armour on which is highly likely

[Shenzon]

Well, Dreadnought does know about it, so he might save some. I'd at least say he'd probably save Max's Ultimus Armor for sure, if he can find the time too that is. Guyver Merc, I don't know....maybe for the sake of keeping him around to help protect the earth. Dreadnought should be able to do it with the Matrix in his control medal. If he does join forces with Chronos, he might have to save GPZ. They might not get along, but he's a damn good powerhouse to have around!!

[Spartan Warlord]

lol thats if hes alive long enuff...remember he jus squared off against W'Kar and already its a fight GPZ wnt 4get lool

[Shenzon]

lol thats if hes alive long enuff...remember he jus squared off against W'Kar and already its a fight GPZ wnt 4get lool

Yeah....especially everytime he takes a seat!!!

Lol...

[Spartan Warlord]

ROFL!!

[McAvoy]

I think if Dreadnought really wanted to, he could use the spare Matrix he has to remove the self destruct coding in the control medal.

[Zoaknight]

So does all that mean that any zoanoid who becomes bonded with a guyver would remain loyal to Chronos thanks to the mental conditioning? Or is there still a chance that they may go rogue, perhaps remembering their past lives as normal people and deciding to fight back? Chronos has been known to make their enemies into allies afterall, such as when Jenny O'Connor was turned into an Overlord, Sho Fukamachi's dad into enzyme 2, Syn into an assassinoid (though she was remade into a lost number so she could resist), and Masaki Murakami into the Zoalord Imakurum.

[Takara]

On the matter of DB and all that;

McAvoy, Goku was only getting beat by 19 because of the Heart Virus. The 'second time', I don't think it's fair we should just totally exclude SSJ3. I mean, Goku did have it. Vegeta himself only reached SSJ2 with Babidi's help. So if he didn't become Majin Vegeta, it would just be his SSJ1 against Goku's 3. Vegeta was heavily outclassed.

Spartan Warlord, don't be so full of yourself. There is always someone that knows more.

Back on to Guyver:

Was it only the humans that had been 'optimized' into Zoanoids that were genetically loyal to Uranus, or was it all humans in general? I'm pretty sure 'normal humans' were simply mind-controlled, but if they too were 'genetically loyal' to Uranus, then the Guyver Zoanoids shouldn't be loyal to Chronos in that way.

[McAvoy]

McAvoy, Goku was only getting beat by 19 because of the Heart Virus. The 'second time', I don't think it's fair we should just totally exclude SSJ3. I mean, Goku did have it. Vegeta himself only reached SSJ2 with Babidi's help. So if he didn't become Majin Vegeta, it would just be his SSJ1 against Goku's 3. Vegeta was heavily outclassed.

Well if anyone watched the episode(s) between Goku vs. Android 19, will know that it was Heart Virus that was affecting Goku. In the beginning however, SSJ Goku had the upper hand as easily as SSJ Vegeta. It is only speculation if Vegeta or Goku were more powerful than each other. I personally believe that SSJ Vegeta was slightly more powerrful than SSJ Goku. But that's just observations on the manga and episodes.

As far as SSJ2 Vegeta. He did have it, or at least a partial version of it. Making someone Majin does not give them the automatic ability to 'go to the next level'. Otherwise why stop there, why not go SSJ3? So either Vegeta was indeed a SSJ2 prior to becoming a Majin and just was simply less powerful, or he had a partial ability of it. Afterall, he was suprised on SSJ2 Goku's power against Bebidi's minions. In the end however, Majin Vegeta vs. SSJ2 Goku was an even fight. Goku could have gone SSJ3, but Goku has a very good sense of honor and respect for Vegeta not to go SSJ3. Also judging by his first time he transformed into SSJ3, since he had only a single day, that probably limited to him what he could achieve power wise since SSJ3 Goku did have a stamina limitation.

I think all of the humans were mind controlled, at least the ones created by the Creators themselves. They were suprised that a human hosted Bio Booster armor could not be controlled by them and if the only way a human could be controlled by them is through zoaforming, then it should have been no suprise at all.

[Takara]

I think all of the humans were mind controlled, at least the ones created by the Creators themselves. They were suprised that a human hosted Bio Booster armor could not be controlled by them and if the only way a human could be controlled by them is through zoaforming, then it should have been no suprise at all.

That's not what I'm talking about. The Mind-Controlling thing is mostly irrelevant, it's the genetic thing I'm focusing on. If all humans were 'genetically loyal' to Uranus and it wasn't just mind-control making them obey, then if they're free of that control/loyalty when bonding with a Unit then Zoanoids should be as well. So I'm wondering if the unprocessed humans, like the one they bonded an armor to, were just mind-controlled or also had the genetic loyalty thing going on.

[Sully]

Ekk guys please keep the non guyver stuff out of this part of the forum.

In the end all the Guyver unit does is prevent the Host been controlled by outside mind control devices. But saying thata zoanoid is much like a human other than Chronos KNOWS the minds of it's people. Even more so the ones they want as zoanoids who are soldiers vs the people who where made zoanoids unknowningly. All of the "loyal" zoanoids would still be loyal as a Guyver and 99% of the time will simply do as they are told by a commander as it suits them. But in the end they are still Guyver and could at any moment leave Chronos.

Good examples of how Zoanoids are different to each other as Guyvers are GPZ vs WG-V. GPZ is a Neo-Class Hyper Zoanoid and a near rival Neo-Zektole. He would be the most loyal of the loyal and you see it in how the man himself acts. Total respect to Imakarum without question even though he's more powerful and realsitically Out Of Control.

WG-V. Not as high ranked before getting his unit and is a basic bio-blaster zoanoid. I've yet to reveal any real histroy of the host but sufice to say more troublesum than GPZ and tends to bite off more than he can chew and is simply more annoying to control than GPZ.

[McAvoy]

That's not what I'm talking about. The Mind-Controlling thing is mostly irrelevant, it's the genetic thing I'm focusing on. If all humans were 'genetically loyal' to Uranus and it wasn't just mind-control making them obey, then if they're free of that control/loyalty when bonding with a Unit then Zoanoids should be as well. So I'm wondering if the unprocessed humans, like the one they bonded an armor to, were just mind-controlled or also had the genetic loyalty thing going on.

In the WG universe, built in programming will not be blocked by the Guyver unit as is shown by GPZ and WGV, though it is possible for them to break free of that control. Guyver Faye appeared to have no loyality to the Creators genetically or otherwise, because she would have felt it while as a Guyver. So it's possible that the humans created by the Creators did not have a genetic loyality imbedded in them, they simply viewed the Creators as gods which is just as good. Same goes for Guyver 0, he was not controllable by the Creators until his DNZ was mixed in with Creator DNA. But that's the line of thought for the WG universe.

Personally, I think the Creators did not give the humans any sort of genetic loyality. But I have no proof for that aside from Guyver 0 and Alkanphel defying the Creators.

[*zeo]

In the Manga it was revealed by Barcus that Alkanphel can control even a lost number or a human.

A feat that would take all 12 of the other Zoalords to match or one using the Psycho Wave Amplifier generator to boost their mind control power.

Basically it is mind control, the psycho wave is a special mental wave that bends the will of whoever it effects. Telepathy is just used then to give commands.

But this requires powerful signal to control just one person, so the Creators added genetic modification to the zoanoids that made this control easier by making zoaforms very susceptible to the psycho waves.

The Creators themselves were equal to Alkanphel in generating these psycho wave mind control signals, combined with the presumably large number of Creators running the project meant they had no doubt they could control a human, processed or not.

But something fundamental to life on Earth causes the Guyver effect when a Unit is bonded to a human and thus made all their creations potential Guyvers.

Alkanphel was already barely within their comfort level of control, having given him their level of mental power. So the thought of him becoming a Guyver scared them so much they decided to wipe out the entire planet just to remove even the remote possibility of it ever happening.

How the above will apply to the WG fan fiction hasn't yet been discussed but shouldn't really change anything we have done so far.