The Dark Knight

[*Jess♥]

you guys really enjoy the cinema!

over here People live up to hte stereotype when in the cinema.

everyone is more stuck up about it and hardly ever makes a noise during a movie.

and if anyone ever applauded at the cinema screen they would be seen as a crazy person.

[durendal]

One thing that I liked about this movie is that

none of the villains died

That gives the movie more possibile stories in the future. I also like the events which led him into becoming the Dark Kngiht.

if they did decide to make another movie, who do you think will be the next in line of the rogues gallery. Since the first and second movie the villains are still relatively human, would it be possible to have clayface or killer croc in? Perhaps he might start taking in a Dick Grayson, but not like in Batman Forever, but more like in the Jim Lee version.

[The Crimson Guyver]

durendal what about two face? One thing that bugged me though was the injured side of his face was able to move. When it is impossible (plus bacteria eating at it)

[*BananaKing]

When I saw it the previews were over but the screen was blank. And it was blank for a couple of minutes, everyone was on the edge of their seats...then out from the back, we hear: "If they start playing Mama Mia, then I'm killing myself!" It was hilarious and then the movie started.

If they made a third one, what could they do? Basically this one left off where the first Batman began

[durendal]

Yes, Two-face, but I don't think two-face alone would suffice. He needs another rogue which he can manipulate. Bane perhaps? The thing is, if they ever tried to include someone with powers (like Poison Ivy or some other mutant), it would defeat the settings which Batman Begins established. He should be dealing with the mob and not some super powered freaks. Perhaps a resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul. We never did saw the Lazarus Pit in Batman Begins.

Good thing they are basing the movies off the comics. Like Batman year One for Batman Begins and The Long Holloween & The Killing Joke for the Dark Knight.

[*BananaKing]

Yeah, I really think they shouldn't have those cartoony villains

[KING GHIDORAH]

Between Joker and Two face, I would have to go with Joker, over Two Face.

you guys really enjoy the cinema!

over here People live up to hte stereotype when in the cinema.

everyone is more stuck up about it and hardly ever makes a noise during a movie.

and if anyone ever applauded at the cinema screen they would be seen as a crazy person.

lol, I love being looked at as crazy person, I also enjoy running off howling into the night.

[*YoungGuyver]

Well, the joker is now in Arkam. And we know that he does mess with the mind of his psychiatrist. So there is always that.

We still have Cat woman. The cat burglar who doesn't mind handing over any crook who gets in her way, and has a wonderful love affair with Batman. Penguin, the aristocrat that continues to commit crime in order to expand his wealth-somewhat a mob mentality. He could take a break from super villains and tackle real crime, like in a few of the novels. Maybe challenge pedophiles. Tackle street crime. Or perhaps try to do something about People that beat other People up just so they can put it on youtube. That's an interesting level of crime.

[RazorLaser]

Apparently there are no plans for a Ra's Al Ghul resurrection or the Penguin because it isn't realistic.

My guess is Two-Face still lives and Riddler will be in the next film.

[Larz Zahn]

If they do cat woman i hope they approach her like in year one, where she was a prostitute and she quit with a lil kid named holly. then she started stealin stuff but all the blame was put on batman, which made her go and do even more extravagant crimes. it sorta built up the tension between the two and also played out into a semi fasination of him for her.

but i really wanna see some batman/cop scenes. if they show harley quin this early... i dunno, i think it might be too soon for that yet.

[durendal]

Well, since this new Batman is in line with the Frank Miller Dark Knight continuity, there is still the other comic Dark Victory which they can protray. It's the continuation of Long Halloween which the Dark Knight movie was partly based of.

[guyverfanatic]

The Dark Knight was the best damn movie I have seen all so far this year!

[*BananaKing]

Amen! Who'd you like better: Joker or Two-Face?

[Guest Unknown_Guyver]

Right... I've seen The Dark Knight a couple nights ago... downloaded quite good quality actually but now here comes my personal opinion on it... Totally rubbish. Good acting and all but storyline nah didn't like it what so ever. Nothing was really told on the joker's past or how he really became how he was. It seemed that they tried to take the Joker and put slight of his story in the comic such as mentioning two different ways how he became how he is now which appears to be taken directly from the comics.

I think Hollywood is now trying to make comic book films too realistic and say "you know what lets drop all the fantasy bs out the window!" No thank you i think its just wrong personally but there you go lol.

I don't think both of Nolan's batman films have been that batmanish if you catch my drift. Sure it shows the darkness of batman but there is too much realism towards the story and yet does not have that appeal towards me. The batman films are more focused on Wayne rather than Batman because if you see Batman is the real side to Wayne and when he tries to be the millionaire playboy he is more or less trying to hide himself from socity.

With that being said it looks in the Dark Knight and Batman Begins its like Wayne is confused within himself to who he is and there is a tension between who he wants to be while in the comics and Burton's batman films its simple Wayne is the false self in the sense and Batman is Wayne's true self nothing too complex about it.

While the stuff what Nolan has done with the batman/ wayne character would be much better in comic form because you can go through so many issues of comics to define it. While on a silver screen you only have a limited time of around 1 and a half to 2 hours of motion picture that can really be shown. It can be very frustating to the viewers having so much complex things going around all at once trying to get story in check and characters in check, this can put a lot of viewers off when it should be straight forward and simple in your face. You got it so its all down to what's going to happen next.

That's all I really have to say and I think thats about it for my opinion.

Edited July 23, 2008 by Unknown_Guyver

[Super Existence]

Interesting. It's the vibe I got from the trailer. They seem to be trying to ground such a ridiculously flamboyant comic book character too much in reality.

The fact is all of that is completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter where Batman got his gear from or how he operates. If you accept a man in a costume with ears is fighting crime you'll buy into all of the rest without a massive explanation.

I think it's getting such a buzz because films have been so Godawful lately that anything remotely good is hailed as the saviour of the film industry.

I never compare modern movies to other modern movies, I compare them to the greats like Alien, 2001, Taxi Driver, Etc.

Compared to movies of that calibre most modern movies fall short.

[durendal]

Unknown_Guyver, with regards to the retelling of the joker's past, I don't think it's really that much relevant. The Joker is already synonymous to Batman, so I think it would be better off if they didn't retell his past. With Harvey Dent however, I think it's very appealing with the way they handled his character. Also, if we are to compare this to the comics, I would say they are pretty well done. The nolan Batman tells the begining years of Batman and it is only natural that they did it the way they are. They didn't use the continuity of the regular DC comics, but more of the Frank Miller Batman. If you've read Batman: Year One, Batman: The Long Holloween and Batman: The killing Joke, it's pretty much the same way it was told. I've been following the Batman comics for years and I would say that they pretty much nailed it. Of course there are other small nit picks, but you can't please everybody. Again, you are entitled to your own opinion and I will respect that.

[Guest Whalestoe]

Interesting. It's the vibe I got from the trailer. They seem to be trying to ground such a ridiculously flamboyant comic book character too much in reality.

The fact is all of that is completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter where Batman got his gear from or how he operates. If you accept a man in a costume with ears is fighting crime you'll buy into all of the rest without a massive explanation.

I think it's getting such a buzz because films have been so Godawful lately that anything remotely good is hailed as the saviour of the film industry.

I never compare modern movies to other modern movies, I compare them to the greats like Alien, 2001, Taxi Driver, Etc.

Compared to movies of that calibre most modern movies fall short.

Comparing The Dark Knight to THOSE films if pointless though. The Dark Knight is a high-budget, Hollywood, Blockbuster. It ranks up with the best of THOSE big budget type of films. Films by Kubrick, Scorsese, Scott, Leone, Coppola, etc. Those guys are/were masters of film making at one time. Coppola sucks now. Scorsese only does big budget Hollywood. Scott is hit or miss constantly. Kubrick last film before his death, "Eyes Wide Shut", was the worst of all of his endeavors.

Secondly. YES, it does matter that he is grounded in reality; look at the last Batman films (Forever and Batman & Robin), they took your approach of, "Well, it's irrelevant, so who gives a drenn?"--and what did we get for it? Ass shots, crotch shots, and Bat-Tits. Horrible. Once again, The Dark Knight is one of THE BEST high-budget, Hollywood films made ever. Period.

Thank god it hasn't been TOO Batmanish, if you take that route, Batman winds up a caricature of himself. See above.

[*BananaKing]

I just loved how we hated the bat-cycle for what it was and then we saw the movie and it turned out to be something far cooler than any of us expected! I really hope he doesn't get the bat-boat, the bat-copter, and the bat-jet

[*YoungGuyver]

It was a problem for the Joker to provide two explanations for why he had a scar grin? Note: Joker is a psychopath. He lies constantly. He wasn't interested in having a heart felt moment with anyone, he was just freaking them out. He looked into their souls, and found the one thing that would scare them the most. The mob boss was a man in control-Joker said that he reminded him of his father, an authority figure that abused him. Rachael was a woman that was in a relationship with the man Joker was hunting-he said he carved his own scars for his lover... he related the injury to them on a psychological level, and did it to freak them out. Psychotics analyze people, and are excellent masterminds. They manipulate People very well, and lie even better.

Why is Penguin unrealistic to do? He's not a mutant or anything. It was the Tim Burton version that turned him into a freak. Before that, he was pretty normal.

The one thing that I don't like about this movie is that the train system from the first movie seems to have disappeared. Other than that, it's perfect. Though we did have the cops in the car chase mention how they were underground at one point; I just thought they were driving through a tunnel. At least some things stayed the same. I guess they can't cover all of Gotham in every movie.

[*BananaKing]

I think we're supposed to guess that Bruce ordered it to be taken down after the Ras Al Gul affair

[Super Existence]

I just watched this on an IMAX screen tonight....I wasn't impressed and all this geekdom for it is going over my head.

I honestly wanted to like this...really I did and I was hoping I'd be proved wrong like I have with many other films like The Mist, Fellowship of the Rings, No Country For Old Men, Iron Man.

I'm not an arrogant guy I'll admit when I'm wrong but my God I just don't get it.

The Good:

--Yes, Heath Ledger was good in it, he made the joker his own and I was impressed. Was it the performance of a decade? No. He just took a daft role and made it into a serious one (im not underplaying what he did here). But I still found Javier Bardem in No Country a much more interesting and sinister bad guy.

--The script had pretty good dialogue.

--The Batpod (I would like one).

The bad:

Man where to begin?

--I found the atmosphere of the movie cold, dull, flat and lifeless.

--The directing was a bit so what, no innovative shots or lighting.

--The movie was set in the real world too much, so much so it made The Batman character stand out as daft and unrealistic. The Joker is more over the top than Batman and I believed he could exist more in that world than the Dark Knight.

--What was with Batman's voice? He sounded ridiculous and everytime he got angry his growling tempo got all the more ludricous.

--Too many characters and when certain ones were killed off I didn't care one jot.

--Way too long at 2.5 hours, I was bored halfway through this film.

--The plot was too convoluted, look away for a second and you're lost.

--Batman's suit was cack, looked like Solid Snake with ears. Much more preffered the Tim Burton Batuit.

--His Batmobile is the ugliest looking piece of crap I've ever seen. I don't care if it's realistic. It looks like five mangled cars fused together.

--No style to the movie. It was like Heat and then they'd suddenly shoved Batman into it. It needs to be a stylistic movie. And I don't care if this is how Frank Miller did it, so what?

--Felt like a commercial for flash cars, expensive phones and trips abroad.

--Batman kidnapping the guy from Japan. I'm sure that could have been done a lot less risky than the way he did it.

--What happened to the party scene after Batman rescued that woman? The Joker was in there surrounded by all those people and then it cut to the next day like nobody gave a damn.

I really wanted to like this movie but It didn't affect me in the slightest. I didn't hate it, I didn't like it. Emotionally I felt bored.

[durendal]

Could it be perhaps that you were expecting too much? You are right about one thing though, the joker overshadowed batman. They took the phrase "the villain that defines the hero" a little too much.

With regards to the style, I don't think Frank Miller has anything to do with it. It's the directors call. They only took elements from the comic that Frank Miller wrote.

Also, you have to take into consideration that batman is also bruce wayne, so flashy cars, expensive phone and trips abroad are to be expected. Why would a millionaire playboy want a cheap and dull car?

And the way Batman kidnap the guy from Hong Kong, the start was pretty much ok, and I have to agree with you that extraction was a little far fetched.

Maybe they can do a mythbuster segment on the movie.

[*BananaKing]

Well despite what you guys say its become the 3rd Top Grossing movie of all time.

3) The Dark Knight $400million

2) Star Wars $460 million

1) Titanic $600 million

Actually, Gone With the Wind is the current #1. Since it was made in the 1940's, its not considered to be in the running, but if we use current usa economic standards it grossed in about $1.4 Billion!!! Thats a big lead

[durendal]

Kinda difficult to measure it in absolute dollar value. Would it be possible to measure it in number of tickets sold?

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

I actually loved it. I'm not a batman fan, and I didn't like Batman Begins too much, but I loved this. I loved all the Joker scenes and I thought it was an incredible performance.

Apart from the Joker, I still thought the film was great, the BatPod, the story and the I actually liked the characters.

SE, you'll have to blame Batman's terrible voice and Batmobile on the first one...