Is the WG's power level too high?

[exscaped_pyscho]

Hello again. I know this has been talked about before, but I was just wondering what everyone's opinion is on the subject. I tended to enjoy it more when Warrior Guyver was at his base level. Now it seems like every time there is a new threat, Jason just get more powerful. Don't get me wrong if I had one wish I'd wish to be Dreadnought in a freaking second. But if you look at his power range, he could kick the crap out of any comic book hero I've ever heard of. Dreadnought wouldn't break a sweat going up against Superman, Green Laturn, Wonder Woman, and Superboy all at the same time. He's got literally every kind of super hero's powers combined. I like the Matrix devices alot but is it really necesary for one to merge with Warrior Guyver? What does everone think?

Now I'm trying to anger the Mods. Never anger the MODS!!!!! All hail the Mods! Just trying to see if anyone shares my opinion.

[Armageddon]

Well, one thing you are forgetting is that the way he is now is not the way he's gonna stay. With the new info about the Gigantic and things, everything has changed and has to be reorganized or refigured to come into line with this new info.

After the Chronicles are completed, you should have a better picture.

[Juggernought]

You can never have a hero underpowered while his enemies engolf him in their ever increasing strength. i think it is only natuaral for anything in conflict to adapt, learn from mistakes and get stronger...Chronos is continually coming up with new ideas and gaining power to balance the new threats they face and in turn jason and some of the other guyvers happen to do the same.

[Twilight-Guyver]

In hte long run I have to agree with everyone. The bigger the threat the more power you need. Look at past examples in animes and mangas. You have Dragonball Z which is reduntant on the terminaology of "The stronger the foe, the stronger you must become". M.A.R. which is soon to premiere on CN and has a manga out as well is similar in some ways to it as well. Tekkaman even warrants the same. If Jason never got upgraded by the matrix he would have had to find some other way to boost his strength to fight his enemies.

True enough he is far more powerful than a lot of beings that are out there right now, but fact of hte matter he is one of a kind in the WArrior Guyver Universe and that is a good thing. Too many overpowered characters would warrant a bit more questioning.

[TheGuyversWill]

Just consider the Dreadnought a really nice "Level up".

[Twilight-Guyver]

At least we can tell what it is. There are still debates to this day whether Super Saiyan 4 is an ape form or a SS form.

[McAvoy]

Not really much a debate though. The SSJ4 we know if is the black hair/red/brown hair that we know of. The 'Golden Ape' is sort of stepping stone. Consider that after they gain the knowledge of the SSJ4 form, they never go to the Golden Ape form again.

While I agree on certain points, because I personally believe that Dreadnought should have stayed at his old 20x level. Just give him the added abilities, and let him think his way through as opposed to bashing his way through.

[Twilight-Guyver]

But think of Dreadnought. The name itself means huge. I say anything that is just that big doesn't need to think. It's all about the bash if you're almost all powerful.

[TheGuyversWill]

But think of Dreadnought. The name itself means huge. I say anything that is just that big doesn't need to think. It's all about the bash if you're almost all powerful.

Actually

from dictionary.com

Dreadnought

–noun

1. a type of battleship armed with heavy-caliber guns in turrets: so called from the British battleship Dreadnought, launched in 1906, the first of its type.

2. an outer garment of heavy woolen cloth.

3. a thick cloth with a long pile.

Also, dreadnaught.

Also I think the Transformers used it at some point as well. It was the decepticons main warship if memory serves me correct.

[Juggernought]

Which all boils down to the fact that the guy needs to live up to his name sake.

[Twilight-Guyver]

That he does my friend that he does.

Even if the meaning is not talking about the size of the vessel being huge, but carrying huge artillery cannons. Power is still the main point, and Dreadnought has plenty.

But as it was said earlier the rewrite will show a great difference in things.

[TheGuyversWill]

He doesn’t need a rewrite to be the Dreadnought.

He's one on his own. This guy has more "Cannons" then you can shake a lemon at. His attacks are so numerous they are quantified!

Oh yeah baby, you know what I'm talking about http://www.warriorguyver.com/wgfanfic/d ... nought.htm

And that's why they call him a "Matrix Enhanced Warrior Guyver Gigantic".

And I think the term you're looking for on the "Huge" market is "Juggernaut"

IE

Juggernaut

–noun

1. (often lowercase) any large, overpowering, destructive force or object, as war, a giant battleship, or a powerful football team.

2. (often lowercase) anything requiring blind devotion or cruel sacrifice.

3. Also called Jagannath. an idol of Krishna, at Puri in Orissa, India, annually drawn on an enormous cart under whose wheels devotees are said to have thrown themselves to be crushed.

[Twilight-Guyver]

I wasn't saying he needs a rewrite to be Dreadnought, but to show that he is not some all powerful being that can kill whatever he wants when ever he wants. The rewrite is to show he's still got some draw backs and limitations.

Oh and the Juggernaut, yeah he is that . . . for now.

[TheGuyversWill]

I wasn't saying he needs a rewrite to be Dreadnought, but to show that he is not some all powerful being that can kill whatever he wants when ever he wants. The rewrite is to show he's still got some draw backs and limitations.

Oh and the Juggernaut, yeah he is that . . . for now.

Twilight, I don't know you're real name so please excuse me for not calling you by it.

Go read Strange World, its in the Warrior Guyver fan fiction (that is if you haven’t read it already!). He fights a fully powered Alkanphel in it. It shows us that he is no where near all powerful. Seven days in hell has quite a few good fights that let us know what’s what as well. The idea that he would have to give up his all powerful ability to save his wife is another nice addition. It leads to the concept that maybe one time she'll be in more danger than he is, which forces him to relinquish said Gigantic module and thereby get himself killed in the process... That is if seven days in hell was ever finished... or any subsequent sequels after it...

[McAvoy]

sorry for writing in lowercase, but these middle-eastern computers don't like to have a working shift key.

actually what everyone refers to when they say dreadnought goes back to 1906 when the british battleshiphms dreadnought was comissioned. before that 'pre-dreadnoughts' had only four 12 or 13 inch guns with an assortment of mdeium guns ranging from 6 inch all the way to 10 inches. at the time, those smaller guns were great for the ranges these ships were fighting at because of their higher rate of fire they could destroyer the upperworks of a battleship. but as the ranges grew longer, these medium guns were too weak and only the 12 inch gun could be used effectively. so when the dreadnought was commissioned, she was not only bigger and but had 10 12 inch guns. she also was faster. so the world media at the time ate this up and therefore any battleships built to this standard would be called the dreadnought or super-dreadnought and battleships build before that would be called a pre-dreadnought.

basically a dreadnought is a super-battleship.

lastly, dreadnought means something else as well. break it down, dread-nought or dread-not. it translates to fear not or no fear.

so you could think of as the wg.com's dreadnought as the new standard in guyver design i guess.

juggernaught imo could be a great name for a new matrix enhanced gigantic warrior guyver. in fact i once did a datafile basied on a what if warrior guyver 2 became like dreadnought, so i named him juggernaught.

[Twilight-Guyver]

You know what McAvoy, that whats I was thinking. That would be pretty awesome if someone did decide to do something of that nature ::hint hint:: Anyways. I think I'm going to go ahead and drop out of this conversation. I haven't really been around and I do need to do some rereading of things before I make comments in here again.

[McAvoy]

Well I posted my reply but somehow it got erased by the computer...

Basically my story would have been instead of WG2 going to the WG universe, he is hunted by Krullnar. Eventually he is linked to Krullnar's ship where it gets destroyed by the Warrior Kavzars. He is in hyperspace merging with the damaged stolen mMatrix and ship's control medal. Effectively he becomes Juggernaught. Originally he was going to be 30x with a max of 50x. He would be oon the more offensive side than Dreadnought who I viewed as more defensive. Basically the story goes that Krullnar has two Matrixes create the Enforcer class Warrior Kavzars which I called the Warrior Enforcers. They would have been 80x in power, twice as powerful than Dreadnought, with similar abilities to the Eliminator. Eventualy he finds help from Dreadnought which they defeat both of them by using their Matrixes.

But the problem is that since the Matrix basically maxes out the WG Type 1 unit's technology which is pretty much the same as the Type 2's, the Juggernaught would have ben pretty much the same as Dreadnought.

So I thought about this, Dreadnought's Gigantic unit is derived from a more primitive War Relic, and Krullnar's shipw ould be more advanced. In the end, though it was a just a what if.

BTW, Dreadnought's real power is actually 40x, but since the host is just a mere human, the Matrix can only handle the 25x level. 25x level seems to be the max for every Guyver based being unless enhanced other wise.

[Twilight-Guyver]

Hey McAvoy, if you would, could you send me a copy of that story if you have it saved somewhere. I'd like to take a look at it if you don't mind.

[McAvoy]

well I don't have the story anymore. it was a rough draft anyway. it was on my laptop, and that laptop ended up frying itself last year. I still got the datafile saved on my yahoo account as a draft though if you are interested.

[Twilight-Guyver]

yeah I would like to take a look at it.

[Lost Soul]

Why not post it right here on the board? I think more people are interested in what you came up with McAvoy. (I for my part am)

[Twilight-Guyver]

Yeah that's a good a idea. Just put it up here that way we don't have to run around to find it.

[McAvoy]

I just replied to this, but I got bumped off...

I'll post it the fanfic section. But keep in mind that a Matrix enhanced Gigantic Warrior Guyver 2 would end up being similar to Dreadnought anyway. But that datafile was created before my discussions with zeo on that subject.

Anyway back to the topic. Dreadnought may be the most powerful Guyver on Earth, but he can still get hurt or possibly killed from the others. Look at his first fight with Warrior Guyver Vamore, he was severely damaged from their gravity attack on each other. It wasn't until the second time that he knew how to deal with it. Additionally, his first fight with Alkanphel nearly had him killed as well.

[Twilight-Guyver]

Well, without reading anything. I'm still going with my analogy of DBZ here. Fight, get hurt, get stronger and smarter in tactics.

[*zeo]

Dreadnought is powerful, but despite all his abilties he will not get stronger.

So part of the reason he is so powerful is because we never intend to give him another upgrade. He has to make do with what he has now.

Which is why he is so adaptable.

Also to keep things in perspective, other characters like Superman can easily defeat Dreadnought in raw power. Superman can move planets, even the weaker version can move mountains.

Dreadnought doesn't have that kind of strength, at most he can lift a small battleship. Impressive but not Superman impressive.

Also Unlike DBZ Dreadnought does not have the power to destroy a planet, a small moon maybe with the Matrix Bomb, but that's his limit and he can only use the Matrix Bomb in space.

Overall, though very powerful Dreadnought is not invincible. He's just a tough cookie to crack.