McAvoy Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Just a random question. Ok, as Dreadnought, Jason is limited to the 25x to 40x level as a human. obviously he would become far, far stronger if he became a zoaform even a lower level one. Will the Matrix allow it, or even more so, could Matrix do it to him? Addtionally, after reading a few fics I came to this conclusion. It's possible to make a human far stronger than what he's capable of. Guyot was a human when he grappled with Guyver 3. You have Jenny as a Overlord doubling her abilities as a mere human as a Guyver, then double that in her weakened unstable Overlord form. Even Syn was shown to have a near Guyver level of firepower in her human form. Granted that a human with with even a 5x level of strength would at least double a normal Guyver's level of power. Lastly, with the 200x level Guyver Zoalord. After a few discussions for the past few years, it has lead me to believe that a Guyver and Zoaform merging will cause some mutations or even a greater than normal increase in power. Think about it this is what a straight 200x Guyver Zoalord would be: Strength: 20,000 men (200x) Speed: 1,000 to 8,000x Durability: Unknown Regeneration: 50 to 200x Head Laser Orb: 200x to 400x Sonic Emitters: 200x Hand Beams: 100x Vibrational Swords: 200x Pressure Cannon: 1 kiloton each Mega Smashers: 200x Obviously, even Dreadnought exceeds the Guyver Zoalord in a few areas or at least matches. Thoughts? Quote
Juggernought Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 I think the matrix would be capable of such a feat, but jason has a raw hate for chronos and all associated with it. I don't think he would allow himself to be "tainted" and become the embodiment of what he aims to destroy no matter the level of power he recieves from it. I think he believes in himself and the power of his matrix/unit to get him through anything... As for Dreadnought exceeding the Guyver Zoalord in certain areas or matching, i think that is only the case because the GZ only just got his unit and didnt have the time to fully adapt to his unit and realize his true power whereas dreadnought had months and many battles in order to gain experience. Quote
McAvoy Posted March 30, 2006 Author Posted March 30, 2006 True. But what I am saying is a straight 200x Guyver or 100x Zoalord level. Besides as for Dreadnought, he doesn't need to become more powerful since he apparently can take on one or two beings with his own power level. Such is the case between him against Eliminator and WGV. Quote
Sully Posted May 1, 2006 Posted May 1, 2006 Simply put if Jason was anything more than a human.... Well lets just say the fiction would have ended very very soon. Quote
gelionlegends Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 not sure if this will make a difference but the guyver zoalord is this the one that received the weaker altered g-unit or a unaltered one. as if he did get the weaker one then his power level was 200x times, but well then lets say if he got the unaltered one so that would either be the same or it would be higher. what i mean is the 200x weak unit and normal would be something like 250, 300, 350, 400x something but then maybe i'm getting my wires crossed with the guyver zoalord jason fought and another one who had a unit made but weaker than the standard in another story some were. Quote
Spartan Warlord Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 IF the matrix was able to Zoaform Jason then surely it could change him back??... Quote
Frost Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Hmm if he wills the matrix to grant him more power than ever to defeat an opponent perhaps they matrix may do some tweaking in the dna of Jason. Quote
McAvoy Posted July 23, 2007 Author Posted July 23, 2007 If jason wants more power that is thr quick way to do it. The Guyver Zoalord according to two sources is a butter down unit. But in that fic the Guyver Zoalord was 200x or 400x if you believe solom's statement. Standard zoalords like Reeve are 2x zoalords and with the Guyver unit he would be in the 200x. Quote
Juggernought Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 No he was one of the original zoalords under the command of one of the creators. Similar in rank and function to the kavzar Quote
WarriorZoalord Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 a proto-zoalord with a standard unit would sitll be 100x a standard guyver... besides, PZ's are completely chronos created. as they are like a stepping stone from human to full supreme zoalord... they are just what they signafy, prototype zoalords. Quote
Juggernought Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Now they are in their own class of zoanoid. Reprocessed to have a much longer life span and it also helps fill the power gap between the overlords and the ruling 12 Quote
McAvoy Posted July 23, 2007 Author Posted July 23, 2007 Reeve was a full blown zoalord like Imakarum with the strength of 200 men. His Guyver unit was a standard Guyver unit that is reported to be a weaker, buttered down version. He was still far more powerful than anything jason has ever encountered with the only being coming nearly as close was Atrahasis. Quote
WarriorZoalord Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 Now they are in their own class of zoanoid. Reprocessed to have a much longer life span and it also helps fill the power gap between the overlords and the ruling 12 yes, but remember one hting, it was stated they will still be used for their original purpose, which was to test new zoalord forms. Quote
McAvoy Posted July 24, 2007 Author Posted July 24, 2007 No it was never stated to be that anymore. They are now Apptrentice Zoalords where actual Proto Zoalords probably are still tested. Quote
Juggernought Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 Didn't proto zoalords get converted directly to Disciple zoalords though? Quote
McAvoy Posted July 24, 2007 Author Posted July 24, 2007 The one that they had at the time. But for new zoalords especially ones with a totally different body or design still needs a prototype before Chronos creates the new one. Quote
WarriorZoalord Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 Didn't proto zoalords get converted directly to Disciple zoalords though? If I remember, there are only 12 desciples, and 12 navigators, the rest are just 'standard' proto zoalords that are just reprocessed to live longer, they arent any more powerful than before. Quote
Shenzon Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 Coud Jason's Matrix make his Dreadnought form permanent so where he wouldn't have to first go to his Matrix Warrior Guyver form, then to his Dreadnought form? I guess basically what I'm asking is could it merge the two forms permanently? Quote
Juggernought Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 He could but would be unable to because he doesn't know it can be done. Perhaps if he came into contact with Zagam somehow and realised who he was and how his unit changed, it could influence him to do the same, or if some circumstance in upcoming fics, cause this change. Otherwise he is oblivious to the possibility. Quote
Takara Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 Coud Jason's Matrix make his Dreadnought form permanent so where he wouldn't have to first go to his Matrix Warrior Guyver form, then to his Dreadnought form? I guess basically what I'm asking is could it merge the two forms permanently? Even then I doubt he'd care to. It's been said elsewhere the boost in power he'd receive wouldn't be very high, and if he did that then he couldn't share the unit with others, like his wife. The cons would outweigh the pros in that scenario. Quote
guyverfanatic Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Coud Jason's Matrix make his Dreadnought form permanent so where he wouldn't have to first go to his Matrix Warrior Guyver form, then to his Dreadnought form? I guess basically what I'm asking is could it merge the two forms permanently? Even then I doubt he'd care to. It's been said elsewhere the boost in power he'd receive wouldn't be very high, and if he did that then he couldn't share the unit with others, like his wife. The cons would outweigh the pros in that scenario. That's true, but I think it would be way cool. (I assume the armor would look slightly different too...) Quote
Takara Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 That's true, but I think it would be way cool. (I assume the armor would look slightly different too...) I'm betting he'd become a bit more streamlined in appearance, since he's kinda clunky lookin'. At least his upper-half is, in my opinion. Quote
guyverfanatic Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 That's true, but I think it would be way cool. (I assume the armor would look slightly different too...) I'm betting he'd become a bit more streamlined in appearance, since he's kinda clunky lookin'. At least his upper-half is, in my opinion. That's what I think. Maybe something like Zagam, but shorter... Quote
McAvoy Posted July 30, 2007 Author Posted July 30, 2007 Very similar. He would look like a cross between Dreadnought looks like now and Zagam. He could would recieve a little boost from the merging of the two though. Quote
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