Aether

i told you all the fillers wernt so crap!

whoops i forgot neiji is in shippuuden but its for that crap fight during the Sakura one (tried to erase it from my memory ) i dont know how it'll pan out with sai cause hes was a plant by that other shinobi faction within konoha, maybe that internal conflict will play out fully later on... maybe not, who knows....(or did it already??i dont think it did ) tis cool Naruto vowing to rely on his own strength, but i thought it was dope when the tails started appearing and his skin was vaporised from the raw energy of the kyubi coming through!! awesome! im at ep 133 at the moment godamnit!!!! i really didnt think it would all be going to where its at now, maybe thats a good thing maybe its bad, again depends how long it continues and how things pan out overall. anyway apart from the excellent characters, plots and twists in Naruto i find it to be not so predictable, you can kind of see what MIGHT happen sometimes but never be sure exactly what will.

ha ha +1 for Rock(a)Lee, Ryuki! hes deffinatey freakin awesome, him and mighto Gai are hilarious tears streaming in the sunset in the nice(a) guy pose!! Rock Lees taijustu is badass the whole Gara fight still remains one of my favourites of the whole thing! i like Neiji because he kind of combines taiji and bagua but hes nowhere to be seen in Shippuuden so far,and even though he can be an idiot you gotta love Naruto... seriously Ryuki did you think it was going to be as good as it is??? i freakin Love it. i see you say you skipped the filler - fair enough, i'd still reccommend the films despite the fomula being repeated , but thats just me. watch all of Shippuuden ( only real pap bit i can remember is towards the beginning where a really lame side fight takes far too long but its in the midst of an oh so dope fight anyway theres no avoiding it as its intertwined with the main fight... well hope you enjoy the Hurricane Chronicles as much as the first series BTW first Shippuuden opening track = best anime ost of all time (or maybe its just me again)

no im thinking of this in a dragonball way. I enjoyed dragonball & z but watching it through again and again can get tedious with that amount of filler that just really really prolongs and frustrates -that is true ball ache filler thats why im glad theyve done db kai. I dont see all additional stuff like that in naruto being so bad as it is entertaining ,maybe not to the degree of the main arcs but is still ok. Id watch it all and if u ever watch it again make your own naruto 'kai' and leave it out! The fact youre even considering it shows you wont mind it - go on you know you want to thus ends my initiative to get ryuki to watch naruto filler/aditional material!

Yeah good semantics ryuki. Yes i think we can all agree that pointless flashbacks do suck . Most of it as far as im aware is additional material which is all good by me. Like i said its tolerable. I will admit that as far as i can rememer the most frustrating momentum breaking additional material is that towards the end of naruto as you are just wanting to know what is gonna happen! ( but bare in mind at that time i had no idea shippuden would be arising to give us more anyway) all good things come to those who wait

Hey y'all. I thought id have a?look whats going on and saw ryuki's post on naruto. Im sure i remember him posting about naruto a while back so good to see he has started to watch it!! I just wanted to say that i freakin love naruto as a show. You wont know who orochimaru is for a while. If youre only at ep 21then youve got so much dopeness to watch! if you thought so far was good you aint seen nothing yet. As for filler im gonna go against the grain and say watch it if you can be bothered and dont mind not getting to the main story arcs so fast. Because i got into it slightly late i had the option of just blitzing the filler when it came up. granted there is some duff stuff but some of it really isnt that bad. You'll find that you end up watching episode after episode of the main arc anyway because its so friggin addictive- cause its freakin awesome! But i try and pace myself cause i dont want it to be over though there was a certain arc that i just couldnt stop watching! i love the creator for naruto but i cant forgive him for the end of that one still cool though, anyway... I think people who watch it every week hate the filler because it does slow the whole process of getting through the main arcs and i think many read the manga aswell so they want to see what theyve read animated. I dont do either of these. I have like 40 episodes in hand of shippuden and dont bother with the manga. I hate knowing whats going to happen in something im going to watch. I even try to not watch trailers or previews of films i want to see so the experience is ffffresh! i'd happily read the manga after or if there was no anime but given a choice of anime or manga id always go for anime in the case of something like naruto. Dont forget the movies aswell - yes they're dope. Make sure you find out roughly when to watch them, they dont really fit into the whole scheme but need to be watched in certain places so not to be too out of synch. Enjoy it dude!

well it does make sense. the phrase '7th heaven' springs to mind. Aswell as 3 being the 'magic number', 7 has some magic also - maybe de la soul should do a remix of their song Thanks dude

i was racking my brains to throw some of that at you! its funny to try and articulate what im thinking into a post, i seem to go off on a tangent..ive even got a flow chart in an attemt to get this in order! yes concepts are important, but it irks me that relatively easy concepts are tainted by improper or misused language - of which im sure im guilty of aswell.... all this just says to me that mystery schools should open to the public and have all this drenn on the syllabus!then there would be a standard defined language for all this for everyone to use and understand....maybe i'll do it!! ''come one come all to the eether amateur mystery school - we can all learn we know nothing together!'' anyway...... i am with your pov now when you say 1st through 4th are accounted for and 5th as astral, 6th as 'heaven' ( more semantics ) i wasnt 100% what you were saying and my mind was throwing in other ideas aswell -as usual - to confuse me further.... so i am presuming that we are saying the 7th dimension/plane/level/realm or whatever would be the level of 'GOD'.... i bloody hope so, because that fits perfect into the greater scheme of things.

when you say to you astral and etheric are just different ways of saying the same thing, it is much what i thought but when you start to read different sources people really mess your head up : in the list i provided they are separate because they are from a view about the auric fields around the body being parrallel to the chakras and how they connect with the higher planes of existence. from my source etheric in the above lists context is pertaining to the 5th etheric 'template' auric body above the 4th astral auric body. this etheric template body is a higher blueprint for the 1st body the 'physical aura' aka the 'etheric aura', so the lower etheric body is a lower expression of a higher structure ??????...its bloody stupid naming if you ask me. ive read that the etheric body is the generic term for the group of subtle energies that i listed that make up the 7 levels of the auric field and that the astral body is that which can be independant of the body.but then thats just one instance. i think the terms just get used without exact intention. i think that in these concepts we are to take the lowest astral plane as etheric,the middle adstral planes as the astral plane and then the highest astral planes are spirit planes?? its semantics!!...always bloody semantics!!! etheric or astral? soul or spirit?i find is another one....sometimes spirit is seen as a corporeal energy - our life force the thing that makes us go and the soul is the eternal energy which does not die, but again saying that it is part of the highest 'spirit'. once you think of spirits and souls you have to look at the different nature of spirits eg reincarnation etc. .again i think it depends how deep you look into stuff, general terms dont cut it once you look at specifics and exact processes i understand aether to be the conscious energy of everything in exsistence basically the building block of everything in exisitence no matter what dimension/plane. i have read somewhere that it can be thought that ether is that of the physical plane but that the same substance in the astral is called astral light... but light is comprised of ether so to me it really is just astral ether a purer expression of it or just - ether! its funny my 'occult dictionary' totally cops out and doesnt have a separate entry for aether/ether despite referencing it frequently nor any entry for astral light! thus totally avoiding the subject!! i do know that derived from latin ether = shine and astral = star to me that means that astral is of above or a shining object and ether is of energy. some sources say that the etheric body is lower than the astral but then they talk of everything coming from the ether thus ether being a term higher than astral ?!? contradictory to me. maybe as confusing as this post BTW wheres the 5th dimension - does it not exsist in all this ?we talk of 4th and 6th wheres 5th!??? is it like the 1st and 2nd that we know must exsist but dont experience them???? or is it to do with hyper geometry?? then the 6th is just unknown? i found a statement talking spatially this is abridged...'' human beings are 6 dimensional beings but 3 are nullified by the other 3 cosequently we can only move 3 dimensions''... i presume he means left or right and forward and down? the opposite would be right or left backward or up imagine if being 6 dimensional meant you could go in all directions at once!????!!!!! that would be effin crazy is this what you meant by 6 dimensional or did you mean 6th dimension as in realm or plane??

well i still dont get the angel stuff so im just leaving that, it seems they are just exspressions of concepts rather than beings? as for the dimensions...ive read that our cellestial ancestors were from a higher plane and then densified.... so in this instance we are talking about the different dimensions of the human being?if i'm right does that mean your structure is as what i know as 1st physical aura 2nd emotional 3rd mental 4th Astral 5th Etheric {these last 3 r superconscious 6th celestial {part of spirit 7th spiritual {or 'higher self' if you have a different view or interpretation let me know, this isnt concrete to me. with you talking about 6th dimension and christ and buddah this just further shows me that their 'powers' or divine being is latent within us all, as these bodies can be accessed while still being in the 5 lower bodies on earth. Christ n Buddah and many others must have transcended the boundaries while still here in physical form but to do that requires your brain going through processes that have 'supernatural' results. but here we are talking about dimensions of humans or beings, this is where ive got mixed up i think... do those dimensions of the body fit in with the dimensionality of physical exsistence?? does 4th astral body really relate to time does the mental body equate to our spatial 3rd dimension,etc. or am i just being silly?? i dont think they do as its too simplstic right? but i think the structure of what we percieve in the higher dimensions will be different to here or maybe we only see part of its construct here? whoops my minds drifting...

i really liked evangelion at first i was like where the f is this goin but the ending really is amazing - i think if you watched it again or at least the end movie you may percieve it differently than you did before. the Kabbalh is an undertone to it all and shinji's role and what he goes through to me is... worth an essay really. something confuses me about Metatron, as he is thought of as a /the highest angel why is he not included in the 7 arch angels ?? and if he is then who he does he replace of Uriel,Raphael,Raguel,Sariel,Gabriel, and Remiel?? when you say he is an ammalgamation of anfgels do you mean he is the 7 arch angels collectively??? he seems another abstract concept to me, ... old reliable wikipedia says he's thought of as a 'lesser YHVH ''/yahweh/ tetragammaton but if yahweh was accepted as the 1 god by most, then that would be the accepted view that he was lesser than yahweh..when viewed in the sephiroth maybe like you said he actually was yahweh the tetragammatron. it also says he is mentioned more in the talmud- the interpretations of the Rabi, and the Rabi would have a deeper level of understanding of the esoteric principles hidden to the lay person. i think no matter what level we exsist on as long as we percieve anything subjectively you still wont reach the one,so in a sense does it really matter what level you are on?? like you say thinking of /on higher levels are crazy to try and think about, because we cant. im not up on all the differences of the dimensions really, though i do know there are different interpretations of them which is confusing to me , if you could explain your understanding of them it would be interesting.

this thread is weird to me, im not going to attack anyones theories as i dont see the point. i just dont think there is a physical god. The beings that were on earth that gave us knowledge were thought of as 'gods', but they were not GOD. its semantics i suppose. even if we were spawned from elsewhere in the universe that would just be a Guyver 'creators' scenario, true they may have made us, but something always created them- the 1 true GOD. in years to come our species may be thought of as gods - if we end up creating a super race in testtubes or an android/gyroid race that outlives us we will be their gods, in a way we may even be inferior to them but we created them. were it not for us they would not exsist. on your post about kabbalah Ryuki, my subjective view of Yahweh is from a further view of tetragammatron representing the uniting of the elements, so as i see it chokmah as Yahweh represents god united with and in the universe manifest and Kether / Ehyeh represents the infinite consciousness, but yet still not the absolute pure divine spirit - i say this as my reference states that although kether is the closest to god it still is not god. Yahweh isnt the true name of god as that could not be spoken, ehyeh is a higher concept and yet still isnt God. this is a blanket statement, but i think general perceptions of esoteric concepts are never the actual meaning. you always have to look deeper and when you do the conepts are more complex and can often throw up more questions! example yahweh as god is not god god, if anything it is a part of the trinity of kether, chokmah and binah . btw. have you watched Evangelion tv series and end of evangelion movie??

"for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" i am sure i speak for all when i say - dont worry its not your fault

Salkafar do not try and be condesending towards me like you were with Mirabilis. i like the way you have picked up on one thing in my entire post and ignored the rest ....dont worry your not the only person who suffers from this.... i never said we were directly descended from neanderthals, i said we were akin to them as in similar, not such a difference as a human and an ape!. if they are our 'uncles' as you put it we are still related, its like saying quadrapeds are our great great great auntie or something theres still a connection! in your infinite wisdom you missed the point in my post. it really bewilders me how someone so great and learned as yourself can read and regurgitate so much scientific literature but cannot read a few hundred words on an internet thread properly. i wont bother trying to emphasise the point of my post as i wouldnt want to patronise such a superior mind. i'm done son.

yeah i remember the scene in bullet proof monk on a bridge i think? I knew it was ernie/ Winston!!! despite having the dragonballs picollo, ozaru and the chi /ki stuff in it, the capsules etc. i think they just didnt have enough faith or balls to just compleley go in to Toriyamas world, with regards to animal people (whats the corrrect term for this??) like the dog primeminister etc. and puar and oolong and also where was Kinto un / flying nimbus etc. etc?? it would have made it more fantasy like db is really. i see why they tried to make it relate to the 'real world' but wouldnt it be nice to just let a weird and non sensical world be presented?? i dont get the peopl who make these decisions.....what would be better for them doing it how they did it and pissing many fans off or to try to stick to it and give the real fans what they want and spread the word so people actually want to see it thus making more money!?! they could have done both together in a better way culminating in something better than what we got - but they didnt! oh well!

ha i see this thread strted a while ago but glad i caught its resurection! once again i got sucked in to mirabillis' first statement is evolution real? yes because if we hadnt evolved from single cell organisms we wouldnt be here... and youre second statement may not be so entirely bizzare as it sounds! to me its funny how our species has evolved... at between 14-5 million years BC we have the transition from quadrapedal to bipedal which is a fair time ago! homo erectus is about 1.6 million bc and then we have neanderthal between 500,000 and 300,000 bc which compared to a chimp is a big jump but if we take the time from the first anthropoids to then its a good 5 million years at least for evolution to occur... neanderthal was a functioning society ( not by our standards but never the less they wernt hanging around scratching their arses just exsisting) they had a degree of sentient intelligence and not just grunting cavemen, they weree akin to us BUT we are different, between 300,000 and 100,000 years ago were the beginnings of us today- homo sapiens, and at around 35,000 years ago we have the descendants of us now- homo sapien sapiens ( cro magnon). the difference between Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, and HomoSapien is the brain and obviously its utilization. these are the missing links that need filling in- the jump from Australopitheous Afarensis to Homo erectus is feasable enough over 5million years but the transition from neanderthal to sapien sapien does, in my opinion, through up questions - and- wait for it- where aliens become feasable!?! if you look at ancient Sumerian txts you will see that the ancient sumerians (depending on which sources you read and im not just talking sitchin here) were descended from the Nefilim or Elohim etc. who genetically manipulated the exsisting race in the Tigirs area to create a worker race - ( sound vaguely familiar anyone??? im sure Takaya knows his stuff !) this points towards the fact a superior race knew how to manipulate DNA - the implications of the exact actions or intentions of this are massive. i think a pertinent question here is looking at the main difference between us and the animals our DNA are closest too- which is our minds - and my favourite - consciousness! the change from erectus to sapien is so apparent in the skulls and brains. were we this sentient now as we were when our brains were different? or were we more animalistic back then did we not have the mental capacity? my guess is that we were gven a big genetic gift, wether by other entities, god, evolution or the grace of chaos, that of sentient spiritual awareness, a way home if you will. though with all positive there is negative, such is yin and yang, knowledge is power and it has two polarities. this awareness can be percieved as a curse but also a great blessing! in this day in age will the strong survive or the wise?. i dont think its always down to genetic strength our menatl abilities have agreat influence now aswell. some sources suggest we have deevolved such as the inability to use the third eye etc. but i dont think we have necessarily, thats the catch of the 'gift', you have to work to earn the right to use it.

but what will it be?????????????????

just dropping in to give the 2pence on this film! watched it this afternoon and didnt have any high expectations... though surprisingly i enjoyed it!! yes its flawed on many levels but if you watch it with no excpectations its ok. (i had 17 years of excpectations for this film but i had to lose them reading all the negative stuff about it!) at this point i just want to say that once again the youtube video of saiyaman vs android 17 and 18 is how DB(Z) should be handled as its f'in awesome... sadly it wasnt to be in DB evolution. if they do make a sequel it NEEDS to be on that level for the fighting scenes! back to evoultion so lets just say a standing ovation for whoever casted all the main actress hotties in this film nice eye candy, but i digress... the kid as goku didnt piss me off as much as i thought it would....i dont know how much depth people wanted in the characters! because really there is no depth to the characters in DB, as how the charas were written is how they were portrayed- i didnt get yamchas woah dude bill and ted style, but whatever. the plot wasnt perfect but -meh. diff people like diff things- i though Roshi using the kamehame wave as a defibrillator was a cool touch bit extreme to use that move but, hey!?! good points: was humorous in parts the action was good - they tried, not just some lame arse boring standard movements. effects cant be knocked though gokus change was a bit lame they referenced enough stuff for it to be loosley based on DB such as the mafu ba etc. goku had a blue and orange hoody which made me laugh they gave tribute to master Roshis perverseness dude from ghostbusters who played winston zedmore was mr.po po i think terrible points: the fact that Gohan knew Picollo was a namek Picollo has no antennae?????? no animal people or shape shifting pets!! air bending WTF??? whereTF did that drenn come from?? - this is DB not f'in Avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the dragon radar screen was blue and not green!!! - how dare they!? gokus stupid trousers at the end Ozaru was like a midget compared to the manga Overall its OK 7/10 I would easily have given it a 8 or above save for the absolutely poor and rushed ending- i would put money on it that a good 10 mins was cut from this especially at the end,the duration of the version i have is 82mins of which about 5 mins is credits!!! thats 77 mins!! i mention this as the action was horribly rushed at the end,the elements were there but they should have had more time on them and the editing wasnt the best... i was like is this really happening? or is my brain percieving this wrong? it was close to having benny hill music in the background, im sure if you see it you will see what i mean.... ignoring all the bad points i genuinely thought it was ok up until this point. if the dvd comes out with an extended version they may save some face. not what it could have been but worth a watch never the less.

Goddamit theres always a good topic here ......... im gonna try n keep this brief! so it will be how i logically see angels and demons to me Angels - wait for it -are higher dimensional beings that have been in exsistence way before we ever were and we probably couldnt even comprehend them, if any angels in the sense of the biblical exsist they are probably saintly spirits that look over people on earth to protect them from beligerant spirits Demons in the sense of good vs evil are probably the beligerent spirits i just mentioned and the idea of them are an exstension of the myth of Satan who was Lucifer who was originally an angel who supposedly got too big for his boots thinking he could rule over God....... in the bible satan seems to be an opposition to the will of god rather than an entity.... the image of satan is derived from ancient worship of the underground or 'underworld' deity of raw earth/volcanic energy which was akin to the goat god Pan this is where the imagery of baphomet the goat headed devil comes from........... i genuinely think its all ancient concepts that have snowballed to be missrepresented and taken out of context...... as for other fallen angels, are they the nephillim or the giants that took earth women for their own? if so then these guys were probably aliens rather than angels that were actually associated with the fallen angel Lucifer. i think these two 'evil' angels were two different types......... i have more theories on Lucifer as a concept rather than an entity but i'll leave that alone!!!

i understand your point and its a valid view - however let me argue by using an oversimplified example of a kung fu master and a student - we are the student and the master is god... we as a student watch the master performing a kung fu set or kata we see the movemets and memorise them we then perform the set as we think we saw it and we learn them to what we think are a mirror image of the masters set - however the movements of the master are internally very different than that of the student, in the masters movement he utilizes inner structural alignments and workings of his inner energy meridian system that the student simply cannot see or know without being directly told by the master can the student ever know more than the teacher? the student could eventually make his way of doing the set work but it still wont be the same as the master, if the master dies without correcting the student the student will forever be ignorant to the fact that he is incorrect..... so yes we can appreciate the skill and accomplishment of the performer - but not 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .......................... i know you didnt label me anything, i was illustrating that within the realms of MY thoughts i am free where as science is somewhat constrained.... my point on metaphyiscs being concerned with both was because you can apply a 'meaning' to a 'how' science isnt concerned with a philosophical for the 'how' as it just 'is' .. i have already answered this, you just dont seem to want to get or understand my point! you think science is unlimited - i do. my point is that our arms are too short to box with god, and it is pretentious and delluded to try n smack god in the face when our arms are infinitely too short in length to even reach. the human mind is limited, the consciousness is not. thats why the full consciousness is not accessible to a human mind. i think this boils down to that: is our purpose in exsistence to experience life or to understand it? i want to do both, as im sure most of us do, but i dont want to, to the point of fanatacism, which is what i believe is sciences problem if its sets it self as a polar opposite to a metaphysical or philosophical view of things... Zeo i cant be arsed to discuss / argue this thing anymore, we both have valid points, so can we agree that science and metaphysics were born from the same place, have diverged and will converge one glorious day in a UFT of metascience!!!!!!!!!!

Ok ok lets just the leave the bloody egg alone! i really didnt even want to dwell on the thing its just an effin saying!! the whole point of that statement was just a point to lead to saying that we think differently... theres different non scientific ways to explain the origin point of exsistence the 'cosmic' egg being one which is different to the effin chickn and egg ....anyway..... the esoteric things ive read, metaphysical principles i understand, compared with science, experienced and believe make up my own personnel belief system..... to label me one thing would be incorrect, i dont profess myself to be a metaphysicist i certainly have no 'grading' to prove so but my thinking generally falls into such a category i really dont wish to spend ages stating all the points i could discuss, but- i totally agree with your statement however Metaphysics is concerned with both what place does meaning,spirtual purpose, god or anything beyond the physical realm of matter and energy that we can percieve have anything to do with our current science?? how can you say it may be that there was nothing b4 the singularity.... you're not allowed to say that -youre a scientist... you must make up theories to think you can rationalize exsistance.... no matter how far science goes to figure things out, even if we find out that we are inside a microcosm the size of cell on the arse of god we still wont fathom what god is or where it inhabits.... I keep having to reitterate the same thing over and over, spirituality transcends science, god transcends science.... Zeo you seem to think science will one day know all - i believe we will know more than we do now, be more avanced than we are now and have a good understanding of how the physical universe we inhabit works and able to manipulate it better, but we wont know it ALL , to think otherwise is just pretentious and deluded. my concluding words: in my opinion god is everything, it is you, it is me, and it is nothing. all that exsists, is all that exsists..... nothing from something is a paradox and exsistence is an annomaly of oneness.

but the difference is scientists see that the egg was first because of evolution ,it must be because thats logic, a chicken comes from an egg! BUT metaphysics may say the egg came first .... but they theorize what IT was that made the egg appear in the first place, it wasnt necessarily a chicken! and thats the difference betwen us. scientists does not do this science will never know what there was b4 10-43, will never know what the universe is in, and what the universe actually is with regards to consciousness .............to me, all though science may eventually give us wonderous technology, it can not have an ultimate answer for EVERYTHING including consciousness. science may eventually understand the physical universe but not the spiritual and like it or not that IS a part of the universe.

you say that they dont disprove anything - thats because thats what science does .it literally makes things up then disproves or proves them... if the LHC doesnt prove what they want it too isnt it going to dump on all the current theories rendering them useless....philosophy/metaphysics rationalizes what is known and even that which isnt known by science yet.... we dont need a bewilidering amount of mathematics and exact quantum values to think about cosmogonal concepts with the right brain as it is free from the confinements of the left brain i get you are saying that this lessons of light guy trying to marry our opposing views of philosophical and scientific has is in your opinion done so poorly, but you cant just dismiss philosophical concepts.... chicken or egg? what was first form or consciousness? thought or mathematics im guessing a scientist would say mathematics a metaphyscicist or philosopher would probably say mind we obviously think in different ways

nice answer you gave to youngtusk87 Ryuki.... on the universe expaniding why not have a new topic what could it hurt!!?? i have an idea i would contribute.... hmm dont know if it would fit in exactly though??? - i'll save it incase you do - although saying that it means i'll have to think about it to articulate it properly and my brain will hurt