Guyver 12 part OVA and TV series camparisons or opnions

[*ScottmanXIII]

OK, this may have gone off topic (good discussion though).

Back on, which is cooler, Fast car driving, Miami vice white suit wearing Murakami or not so smooth talking biker jacket wearing Murakami?

[Guest Jupiter]

I liked 2005 Murakami....because we got to see him in action more than 80's Murakami. Thats my vote.

[*ScottmanXIII]

I liked 2005 Murakami....because we got to see him in action more than 80's Murakami. Thats my vote.

More of him is a given, of course we prefer more, forget that for a mo, compare voice & looks.

My favorite character in the 90s, but I'm finding his new presence very..... Safe?

[Guest Jupiter]

Yeah, he did look more yakuza in the 80's. But his newer look makes him look like he would get less attention. I think they were aiming for the audience as a more modern up to date look. However I thought the 2005 Murakami was more bad ass and made him look cooler. I thought the art and colors were better and we saw more action out of prototype- Murakami than we did from 80's Murakami. I know some people prefer the yakuza, japanese mafia look. But I prefer 2005 Murakami because we got to know him much better than we did in the OVA. We found out that he was a journalist and a failed prototype for Richard Guyot.His new look suited his peace loving personality.Suits are out style in this day in age....unless you work in the stock market, going to church,salesman or are just filthy rich and want to show off. None of those fit Murakami. But I think 2005 anime look out did the 80's manga look. The Suit did make Murakami more mysterious. But some people like the classic look and thats okay.

 

                                                                                                          

[*ScottmanXIII]

Its a good argument, maybe It's the voice then?

[Guest Jupiter]

It more than likely is the voice artist. Masaki Murakami in the 2005 anime was voice none other than Andrew Love. Very popular among anime fans  . People get attached to certain actors. Like Christopher Patton. He played as Ayato Kamina in Rahxephon and as Sho Fukamachi in Guyver. He's a famous voice actor and he goes to conventions all of the time. Actors are a good source of advertisement. People won't watch certain things depending on who's the voice of if its someoen they're not familiar with. People are pretty anal over things like that. Like Spartacus. When Andy Whitfield died, the show lost a lot of viewers even though they had another actor. It didn't matter, new actor...not enough fans. The show lost a majority of its ratings. Stupid I know, but people get emotionally attached to celebrities. Same with Anime fans.

 

Andrew Love- Murakami and Christopher Patton as Sho.

 

 

 

                                                            

 

 

If you check out the Link, it will show a huge list of everything Chris Patton has played as. Its as long as my arm

 

   http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FChris_Patton&ei=dINqU5e9JsqiyATetILoDg&usg=AFQjCNGQwIme2pHy5UsHfrIr-PEYxCWgdg&bvm=bv.66330100,d.aWw&cad=rja                                     

 

 

Same with Andrew Love (Murakami). He's got qutie of list

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAndrew_Love&ei=4YNqU5yqD9SeyATciYGgDw&usg=AFQjCNG2WumGl7qCfgq1xj-AbH2zglLWDQ&bvm=bv.66330100,d.aWw&cad=rja

[*Chernaudi]

Well, who's better in interpretation:  Shizu in the OVA, or TV series.  I know that the deviated a little bit from her character (she wasn't really distressed about Agito's absence in the manga and she was confident that he'd return), but it was great to get more of her insights on Agito, something we haven't really gotten until fairly recently in the manga.

 

That, and I think that Brittney Karbowski did great voicing Shizu in the TV series.  It was one of her first big anime roles.

[Guest Jupiter]

I think a lot of the voice actors were really good at showing the characters and how they fleshed out their character to anime fans. I think Brittney Karbowski is awesome. She played as Mo Mo in the video game called Xenosaga for PS2. It was a major hit. She was awesome in that role and if Guyver would have had a season 2. We would have gotten to hear more of her voice and Shizu would have gotten a lot more screen time.

[*ScottmanXIII]

Your right about people getting attached to some voice actors.

I've meet Steve Blum (90's Agito), nice guy, he's done so much I surprise he wasn't involved in the new series.

[Guest Jupiter]

Wow, Its not every day you run into a famous person or actor. You're lucky   I wish I could meet Chris Patton...but more than ever... I'd rather meet my favorite rock star Chino Moreno of the Deftones. So Chris Patton would be second on the people I'd like to meet.

[*ScottmanXIII]

I put a photo in this thread.

http://www.japan-legend.com/forum/index.php/topic/7616-lets-see-your-guyver-collectionsfiguresmangaetc-discussion-thread/page-4#entry84765

Hands up if you recognise Steve Blum.

But yeah, I asked him for a fanboy moment and he called for the Guyver so loud that a bunch of people (including other guests) jumped :-)

So on this topic I'm slightly biased in my love of the 90s cast.

Just finished vol4 ep16, its just about caught up with the end of the OAV series.

Some of the fight sequences were defiantly better 1st time round.

[*Jess♥]

any of us who are old enough are biased in that way I think.

That OVA accompanied me though secondary school.

[Larz Zahn]

I think my favorite thing about the ova was it didn't hold back. It pulled no punches in gore, and yet, the gore and violence was only secondary. The story was the thing that captured my attention. And when he started to fight? There was no feeling of downplaying how vicious the fights were, how cruel the corporation was, how hopeless Sho felt at times. And how incredibly powerful the Guyver was.

[*Chernaudi]

The first 6 episodes had good animation for the late '80s and early '90s.  But the new version told more of the story and hinted at/referenced stuff that happened later in the manga after the story left off there.

[Masamune]

OVAs generally have a bigger budget and less censorship restrictions, that's why the 12 part series was able to deliver a much more visceral, kinetic experience than the TV series, which was rather stilted in that respect by comparison. The only real downside of the OVAs is that it never had the chance to blossom beyond its 'monster of the week' format and fully explore the underlying themes of Takaya's work.

Edited May 10, 2014 by Masamune

[*V Guyver]

Also, the OVA's seemed to have issues with production. Primarily it's budget sank severely in the latter half, and there is little consistency with the production staff credits through the entire thing. Example, the animation director who worked on the Enzyme Episode with it's crazy brutal animation did only that single episode,and no more. 

[Larz Zahn]

Heehee....

I have fond memories of that episode. One Saturday morning when i was 15, my older sister was asleep on the couch in the TV room. I got tired of waiting so started it anyways. She woke up in the middle of the fight and threw up after watching it a little bit. Mom want happy with me that day.

Edited May 10, 2014 by Larz Zahn

[Masamune]

Also, the OVA's seemed to have issues with production. Primarily it's budget sank severely in the latter half, and there is little consistency with the production staff credits through the entire thing. Example, the animation director who worked on the Enzyme Episode with it's crazy brutal animation did only that single episode,and no more. 

 

It isn't rare for an anime series to have 'guest' animators for individual episodes. It definitely looks like they ran into budget issues for OVAs 7 & 8 in particular. Some of the animation/continuity goofs and all round quality for those episodes was dreadful. It wasn't until OVA 11 that things picked up.

[*Jess♥]

we should remember, the OVA wasn't a full series. It was two series. OVA 1 was the first six episodes that culminated in the destruction of Japan HQ. That's why team 5 were brought into it.

They didn't plan to continue.

Then OVA 2 was another 6 eps. The budget clearly wasn't that high for that series as a whole.

[*V Guyver]

Even by OVa standards in the 80's, Guyver had a very small budget. I remember Angel Cop ova having a huge quality control and consistency thanks to it's budget and directors. Ironically enough, that had way less impact in our culture than Guyver has. 

[*Chernaudi]

It seemed like the first 6 had such a following at the time that the studio though that it could cash in on another 6 and sell them later on as a 12 volume set (as US Renditions--as Bio-Booster Armor Guyver--and Manga Entertainment--as Guyver: Bio-Booster Armor--would do).  However, where the first 6 had great animation all things considered, the last 6--especially volumes 7&8--were kinda bad, though things got better starting with ep. 9. 

 

But the half hour OVA format never allowed the story to move beyond the monster of the week shonen format that it got stuck with, as well as Takaya wanting to introduce Hyper Zoanoid Team 5 into the anime.  That's another sign that it was supposed to be 6 episodes long orginally.  Then the other 6 got made as follow-ons due to popularity, then they got bundled as 12 later, especially for North America/UK/EU.

[Masamune]

It always irked me in the English dub that they had the one guy (Gary Michaels) voice Lisker, Zerbebuth, Zxtole AND Aptom. It's strange because in OVA 4 of the Manga Entertainment UK dub, Zxtole has a different voice-actor. Then we get to OVA 5 & 6 and it's Michaels. ¬_¬ I think he was probably best suited to Lisker out of the four.

[LordSpleach]

For me overall, I prefer the 2005 anime.

 

Yeah the OVAs definitely had the better music, fight scenes, and animation(first 6 of course), but I prefer the fact that the anime sticks to the manga far closer than anything before it.

 

And it still kept Murakami's Gun.

[Masamune]

I think the more pertinent question here is: Which version has the most annoying Mizuki?

[Larz Zahn]

Ova, hands down!