Guyver 12 part OVA and TV series camparisons or opnions

[Primex]

Does anyone have any comparisons or opnions on eithe the 12 part OVA or TV series? I just watched the 12 part OVA and the recent 26 episode TV series and had a blast having not watched either in quite a while. I thout it might be fun to do some camparisons or opnions of both. I'll start.

I had forgotten how good the OVA was while the artwork wasnt consistant through the 12 parts, I'll assume they had different artists, it was all quite good. The artwork did seem more consistant during the TV series and thought it was quite good as well.

One difference I thought was the battles were a little less bloody in the TV series compared to the OVA, I would say the Guyver 1 vs Enzyme fight was more brutal in the OVA. Being the OVA was direct to video and the TV series wasant probably had someting to do with it.

[Guest Melscypyo]

I really wish they finish the series so far its been four years they still haven't new episodes but as a fan I follow the comic series but the OVAS are great artworks

[Legion]

The 2005 series followed the storyline "closer" to the manga but I'd like to know if you guys think it had the same tone as the manga. Out of Control and the 12 part OVA were both ultra violent and had a dark tone. Was this just the result of the times the were developed? The 2005 was much lighter and it felt like it could have been a saturday morning cartoon...

[Primex]

The 2005 series followed the storyline "closer" to the manga but I'd like to know if you guys think it had the same tone as the manga. Out of Control and the 12 part OVA were both ultra violent and had a dark tone. Was this just the result of the times the were developed? The 2005 was much lighter and it felt like it could have been a saturday morning cartoon...

That is true that the TV series was "closer" to the manga than the 12 episode OVA which didnt follow the manga in exactly the same manner but I do think the tone of the OVA was as you say more violent and darker. It may be the times when they were created and the fact one was direct to video and one was a tv series. The TV series being possibly aimed at a larger audience may have decided to tone things down. You could compare the two Guyver 1 vs Enzyme battles, the Ova version was far more brutal to me than the TV series, or where Aptom was trying to get Sho recover his ability to call the Guyver, The Ova had nudity and the TV series pretty much shadowed everything or didnt have the nudity at all.

How about this, if either the TV series or the OVA could be continued which would you want to continue?

[daveblackeye152]

I think the anime series is closer to the tone of the manga. I like the anime more because it plays up the human aspect while the OVA played up the violence and alien aspect more. Even the music of the OVA seems more alien and not so emotional. Not that I tink the OVA is bad by any means but I guess I like my alien superheroes to struggle more with their former human lives, not saying Sho never did. I certainly much love how Anime Sho spends an episode or two struggling with being a clone while even the manga sort of brushed it aside after a chapter.

[Primex]

I think the anime series is closer to the tone of the manga. I like the anime more because it plays up the human aspect while the OVA played up the violence and alien aspect more. Even the music of the OVA seems more alien and not so emotional. Not that I tink the OVA is bad by any means but I guess I like my alien superheroes to struggle more with their former human lives, not saying Sho never did. I certainly much love how Anime Sho spends an episode or two struggling with being a clone while even the manga sort of brushed it aside after a chapter.

Thats an interesting thought that the TV version had more of the human aspect while the OVA played up the alien and violence. I imagine doing a TV series length, you have that oportunity play up more of the human moments than the OVA had with a more limited number of episodes.

[TheAptomStrain]

How about this, if either the TV series or the OVA could be continued which would you want to continue?

The OVA couldn't continue, It ended exactly when it needed to. Aptom's Gregole/Vamore/Enzyme II composite form is the "final boss" of the series so to speak, but let's think of what could actually happen if it had gone on longer. What does Aptom do after Sho defeats him? He absorbs Elegan, but wait! Elegan died giving his life energy to ZX-Tole, who also died way too early. Gaster and Derzerb? Also dead. The entire Hyper Zoanoid 5 died before Aptom even showed up. Think about it, with all of them gone, how is Aptom to evolve past that composite form? He can't.

Don't get me wrong, the 12-episode OVA is probably my favorite Guyver media outside of the manga, but 12 episodes is all it could be. It's absurdly gory and violent, and with horrible dubs (which makes it perfect in my eyes), but there is no way they could have possibly extended the life of it.

[*Kenji Murakami]

How about this, if either the TV series or the OVA could be continued which would you want to continue?

The OVA couldn't continue, It ended exactly when it needed to. Aptom's Gregole/Vamore/Enzyme II composite form is the "final boss" of the series so to speak, but let's think of what could actually happen if it had gone on longer. What does Aptom do after Sho defeats him? He absorbs Elegan, but wait! Elegan died giving his life energy to ZX-Tole, who also died way too early. Gaster and Derzerb? Also dead. The entire Hyper Zoanoid 5 died before Aptom even showed up. Think about it, with all of them gone, how is Aptom to evolve past that composite form? He can't.

Don't get me wrong, the 12-episode OVA is probably my favorite Guyver media outside of the manga, but 12 episodes is all it could be. It's absurdly gory and violent, and with horrible dubs (which makes it perfect in my eyes), but there is no way they could have possibly extended the life of it.

Yeah; I ran into that problem myself, when I was writing my series. I solved it with cloning; and I have to say, I really enjoyed writing first-clone ZX-tole's freak out when the second batch of clones was decanted.

[Primex]

How about this, if either the TV series or the OVA could be continued which would you want to continue?

The OVA couldn't continue, It ended exactly when it needed to. Aptom's Gregole/Vamore/Enzyme II composite form is the "final boss" of the series so to speak, but let's think of what could actually happen if it had gone on longer. What does Aptom do after Sho defeats him? He absorbs Elegan, but wait! Elegan died giving his life energy to ZX-Tole, who also died way too early. Gaster and Derzerb? Also dead. The entire Hyper Zoanoid 5 died before Aptom even showed up. Think about it, with all of them gone, how is Aptom to evolve past that composite form? He can't.

Don't get me wrong, the 12-episode OVA is probably my favorite Guyver media outside of the manga, but 12 episodes is all it could be. It's absurdly gory and violent, and with horrible dubs (which makes it perfect in my eyes), but there is no way they could have possibly extended the life of it.

I see what you saying, with the chaninging of events it would make continuing with another set of OVA's a bit difficult.

How about this, if either the TV series or the OVA could be continued which would you want to continue?

The OVA couldn't continue, It ended exactly when it needed to. Aptom's Gregole/Vamore/Enzyme II composite form is the "final boss" of the series so to speak, but let's think of what could actually happen if it had gone on longer. What does Aptom do after Sho defeats him? He absorbs Elegan, but wait! Elegan died giving his life energy to ZX-Tole, who also died way too early. Gaster and Derzerb? Also dead. The entire Hyper Zoanoid 5 died before Aptom even showed up. Think about it, with all of them gone, how is Aptom to evolve past that composite form? He can't.

Don't get me wrong, the 12-episode OVA is probably my favorite Guyver media outside of the manga, but 12 episodes is all it could be. It's absurdly gory and violent, and with horrible dubs (which makes it perfect in my eyes), but there is no way they could have possibly extended the life of it.

Yeah; I ran into that problem myself, when I was writing my series. I solved it with cloning; and I have to say, I really enjoyed writing first-clone ZX-tole's freak out when the second batch of clones was decanted.

Cloning is a good way to get around ZX-tole and the other Team 5 members demise.

[unit 0]

the ultra violence was just part and parcel of the time period, look at other manga video released at the same time, all ultra violent, i agree that the new series is closer to storyline, but its got a bit of a saturday morning tv show vibe, where as the 12 parter had a more adult tone, i feel like the new one wwas dumbed down and tarted up to attract new interest, still worth watching tho.

[*ScottmanXIII]

Sorry to dig up another old thread but this topic is on my mind and thought I shouldn't start a new one if this exists.

I've just finished watching the 90s 12 part series again and started feeling all nostalgic, I intend to watch the news series again soon too.

Here's my thoughts the Enzyme fights in EPs 5&9 still beat the news series from what I remember(I'll confirm when I've rewatched the new 26) so I'm now thinking could both series be be somehow cut, spliced and edited to create the ultimate best of both worlds viewing? Or would it just look too weird?

[*Jess♥]

I would really love to see that.

it might be a project that I could work on when I'm not working on my re-edit of Naruto.

I wouldn't work on it by myself. I'd have to work with somebody.

[*ScottmanXIII]

I'd like to have a crack at it, but would have to get myself a laptop first, all I have is a nexus7 tablet, I'm not sure of its editing capabilities even I get someone to rip my DVDs and copy them across.

I'd like to edit back in the cut scenes taken out from the Japanese version too (ignoring the missing boobs for a moment, I think not seeing aptom get kicked in face seems a little untidy in the UK edit of the final battle?

[*V Guyver]

The 2005 series followed the storyline "closer" to the manga but I'd like to know if you guys think it had the same tone as the manga. Out of Control and the 12 part OVA were both ultra violent and had a dark tone. Was this just the result of the times the were developed? The 2005 was much lighter and it felt like it could have been a saturday morning cartoon...

That is true that the TV series was "closer" to the manga than the 12 episode OVA which didnt follow the manga in exactly the same manner but I do think the tone of the OVA was as you say more violent and darker. It may be the times when they were created and the fact one was direct to video and one was a tv series. The TV series being possibly aimed at a larger audience may have decided to tone things down. You could compare the two Guyver 1 vs Enzyme battles, the Ova version was far more brutal to me than the TV series, or where Aptom was trying to get Sho recover his ability to call the Guyver, The Ova had nudity and the TV series pretty much shadowed everything or didnt have the nudity at all.

How about this, if either the TV series or the OVA could be continued which would you want to continue?

No female nudity, same amount of male nudity. XD

[*ScottmanXIII]

Just finished episode 8 of 26,

I do like that they kept Lisker around a little while longer and there is a bit more character development compared to the 12 part OAV but Sho's death vs Enzyme was better 1st time round and I think maybe I prefer some of the original cast, defiantly Steve Blum as Agito.

[*ScottmanXIII]

I'll save the lack of season 2 thinking till I get to ep 26 then I'll let the emptiness take me.

Agito made a quick exit when Lisker appears on the roof, not at all like the OAV's combined force team effort vs Golden boy.

[Guest Jupiter]

I'm anxious to see how the story ends. It'd take 3 season total to cover the whole Guyver manga. But season 2 would have been a fun thing to see.

[*ScottmanXIII]

Maybe one day.

[Guest Jupiter]

Maybe one day.

Yes, maybe one day......20 years from now.

[*ScottmanXIII]

Just finished 12 of 26, stil missing some of the more brutal fights from the OAVs but what's bothering me more is Murakami - is it the voice actor, the new look or that his arm grows to fire his gun? He just doesn't seem as cool now.

[Guest Jupiter]

Yeah, I thought Murakami was cool as a prototype zoalord. He had a reduced life span because he's a test subject and all test subjects are given short life spans because that's Cronos's way of keeping some sort of control over them. If they can't control them...they just limit their health, in that case they may give them a week to live.....like Enzyme 1 , or...Malmott who had a few days to live, or Murakami...who lived for a few years. Any test subject that is divergent of zoalord mind control is given less than a year to live. That includes lost number types, prototype zoanoids, and prototype zoalords until they their type is given the defined as a "perfect specimen by a specialist of Cronos. Aptom  makes the exception. There could be more like him. Not all prototype's are given such a limited life span for reasons unknown. Aptom was re-processed and had his DNA redesigned so many times. For reasons unknown. Dr. Barcas gave him the ability to absorb and re-optimize into any zoa form he desired. He can combined as many strains and make an unknown type. Like the Hyper-Team 5. And now his latest form...which consists of Hayami, Zx-Tole, Derzerb,Elegen, and any other random form mixed in with it.

 

What I don't understand is why he hasn't absorbed a Liberatus? Perhaps he didn't want to, or perhaps he didn't have the chance.

[*V Guyver]

In aptom's case, Barcus was meddling with his DNA for various reasons, he hoped to enhance his duplication/imitation powers for the sake of science and Zoanoid development. What Barcus didn't expect was a weakening of the telepathic links to the point that Aptom was completely free. If Aptom had not gained that advantage, he would of probably of continued to serve as Barcus servant and test subject. 

[Larz Zahn]

Just to be clear, lost numbers do not have a limited life span. They are qualified successes, but no hope of duplicated results, correct?

I can't recall anyone saying the lost commandos only had a few years to live.

Murakami and the other protos only had a short time to live because since they were only practice for Guyot, there was no need to make sure they survived. Same goes for enzyme 1. It was an early design and a flaw with the optimization process that lead to his short life. A scientist told Guyot this and he shrugged it off, saying it didn't matter, it was only a test, and they can fix that issue in the future.

I never really thought of the limited life span as a way to control someone. I always viewed it as, they left that part out because the subject in particular, was expendable, and meant to die. (protos) or cronus was doing new optimization tests to create a new breed of zoanoid, and the process was hit and miss. Some made it, some don't. (Guyot told Tetsuro this the first time they met)

Edited May 7, 2014 by Larz Zahn

[*V Guyver]

That's correct. All of the lost numbers were just failures in reproducing the results, they don't have reduced life spans.


Life spans for test type's without completed processing is a few days, but if they had stayed around for the full processing, they could live on until cronos decided to dispose them.

Prototype Zoalords less then a few years because their bodies were never truly stable with a fake crystal. On the other hand, they aren't built to dissolve like other Zoanoids, they can be revived in some circumstances. 

The only other types that die any faster are any rushly processed zoanoids. Those die fast and dissolved because they were rushed jobs, like the Enzyme II's that fought Agito and Murakami, or the Enzyme III's that fought Aptom, Sho, and Agito. They were given only 1 processing and then sent out. I believe Zoanoids are supposed to be processed at least 3 times before they are stable. An example would be Sho's dad. Even if Sho didn't kill him, he would of died because he wasn't finished with his processing treatments. 

[Guest Jupiter]

Hmm, Neo Zx-Tole was divergent of zoalord mind control and Purgstal said it was because they didn't want another powerful Lost Number roaming around like Aptom. So it seemed to me if they were a test subject like Molmott or a Lost Number, who is divergent of zoalord mind control, that they would put limitations on their health....like where Murakami's body wasn't built to withstand the energy output of his zoacrystal and cause damage to his body and life every time he transformed, or Neo Neo Zx-Tole's optimization was rushed and now his body was going to break down in 3 days time and he'd die. So, thats how I came to such an idea. I put a lot of thought into it.