Super Existence Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Can't believe there's no topic on this movie, I hope to God it's good. Trailer 1: http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/prometheus/ Trailer 2: Trailer 3 (US): Trailer 3 (UK) http://io9.com/5894326/uk-prometheus-digs-deeper-into-the-films-archaeological-mission?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow Viral 1: Viral 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEO3lmVy-tU Quote
Jade Tatsu Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 It does look good. Like you I'm hoping it can live up to the goodness. I saw an extended trailer for Battleship the other day and started crying. It looked so much better in the shorter one that I'm hoping that movies like Promethus remain good! Quote
*Jess♥ Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 I was wondering to myself... "what is this prometheus they are talking about? " I looked at some images and i couldn't really work anything, then i saw teh first trailer, I thought "hmm, ridley scott, certainly my fav director, having made my favourite film of all time, alien" then i saw the snapshots that looked SIMILAR to alien.. i thought, "what's going on here..." then i saw the space jockey. in such a long time that i cannot count, I have not jumped forward from where I am sitting and exclaimed "OH MY GOD!" until today. there are no words to describe what this means to me. I need to take some time to digest this. thanks for the trailers btw. you gave me something great. Quote
durendal Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 I've read somewhere that fans have speculated that this movie might link to Alien. But Ridley Scott is very adamant in keeping the plot a close secret. We'll only know what this is when it is shown. Hopefully this will be another great one from one of the great directors. Quote
lost unit Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 im a big aliens and pred fan and also waiting for this release i read up that the alien are in in but only a small part and also the big space jockey (the massive alien they found on the first alien film sat in the chair with the elephant like nose ) and how its linked to the film im unsure but trailer look cool. Quote
*Jess♥ Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 I think i'd be happy if the aliens are only a small part of this. the aliens are the focus of the alien movies, and have actually been done to death. I'm really looking forward to a rich story and atmosphere. I watched aliens last night and that film was very upsetting. I'm not a big fan of the more nasty things. alien is great, but aliens was a bit more nasty. I think ridley scott does this type of film better than jim cameron to be honest so I think it'll be great. Quote
Super Existence Posted March 22, 2012 Author Posted March 22, 2012 The rumour is that there may be a small alien appearance at the very end but that could be nothing more than a quick shot of an egg or something. Quote
*Jess♥ Posted June 10, 2012 Posted June 10, 2012 aww maaan... that's too bad. but thanks for telling us. I can set my expectations low. so without spoilers, did it just not deliver an interesting enough story? or was it really poor example of ridley scotts work? or was it just not as totally epic as you were hoping? Quote
RazorLaser Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 Saw it last night and thought it was pretty good. I liked it. Don't know why people are complaining. Quote
Salkafar Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 aww maaan... that's too bad. but thanks for telling us. I can set my expectations low. so without spoilers, did it just not deliver an interesting enough story? or was it really poor example of ridley scotts work? or was it just not as totally epic as you were hoping? It wasn't bad unto itself. My sweetheart saw it and liked it a lot, but she's never seen an Alien movie. I felt it diminished the franchise. And it added some rather obligatory points. I mean, some pretty 'yawn' concepts. Quote
*Jess♥ Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 oh I see. as it is a precursor, it is possible that it can tarnish some parts that we have lived with for a long time and that our imaginations have engaged with. such as the origin of the space jockey. I can imagine how the origin of that guy could be a downer in some way. perhaps it would help to not take it as gospel? to take it as the creators own version, but not a definitive version. after all, after all this time, we each own some part of what we have watched. we own our own interpretation.. Quote
Larz Zahn Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 i saw this movie and thought that it was good. if u think of it as a stand alone and try not to link every detail to "aliens" (like i did) then it was great. if u want to nick pick every detail then its simply good. It is a prequel to "alien" obviously lol. And im satisfied with the explantion of the space jockey, for the most part. i am curious as to what everyone elses feelings on tbis movie is. heh, im striving to stay vague so as to not spoil anything. Quote
*Jess♥ Posted July 1, 2012 Posted July 1, 2012 saw this tonight. went with my mum. I would say, if I went expecting an alien movie, then i would have been disappointed of course. but it wasn't called alien so I went with the expectation that i might see some reference to the aliens but that is it. just wow. this film was so good. i mean it had all the qualities i found good about the original alien movie. except refined. it was like concentrated alien, 10 times the goodness. of course time will tell if it remains so fine in my mind. repeated viewings will be the key to whether it is as good as better or worse than alien. currently, I wouldn't dare say it's a better film than alien, since I first saw alien over ten years ago and it has had time to settle. it wasn't my favourite film back when i first saw it, it has only become my favourite film after so many years of ageing and maturing. but anyhow, I am very glad that I gave Ridley Scott some money for this. Quote
durendal Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I saw this one while I was on a plane to the US. Longest flight I've ever been on (frigging 20 hours!!!!). Anyway, the visuals are astounding. But for the story itself? Meh! Didn't really give me much excitement when I was watching this. I guess these types of movies are not my tastes. Quote
Salkafar Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Ryuki - upon re-viewing it you will come to realize what a dumb movie it is. Some of the stuff they say in it is downright idiotic. The speech the male archeologist gives about the star system they're going to would give an astronomer a conniption fit. "This galactic system has a sun". Who the hell wrote that crap? And how come nobody, at any point, said "Hey - that's bollocks." Woman has her stomach wall, muscles and all, cut open, then stapled shut... and immediately after runs, jumps and drops like she's trying to win a cross-country medal. The Engineers were planning to destroy humanity... but I guess they changed their plans after that one ship was disabled. Thing is, 'Alien' was perfect. It was perfect because it was completely concentrated, so simple, so basic. 'Prometheus' is attempting to be about high concepts while at the same time being a splatter movie. It's a dumb flick which looks really beautiful. It is nowhere near as good as 'Alien'. It is nowhere near as good as 'Alien resurrection', in fact. Quote
*Jess♥ Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 Hey Salkafar , I am not sure if this is all due to a misunderstanding or if you just found huge problems with the entire movie, but I can respond to your points. he doesn't say "This galactic system has a sun", he says "This galactic system has a sun a lot like ours", the point of his sentence being that the sun is a lot like ours, not that it has a sun and that makes it like our system. because let's face it, if he had said that it would be monumentally stupid, so it couldn't have possibly meant that. I guess i can agree, his timing may have been problematic in order for anybody to misunderstand in that way. an acting weakness perhaps? the womans stomach wall etc, I can see that being an issue if we expect the director to hold our hand through the entire movie. I find it a very good point that Ridley Scott respects us enough that he didn't need to outright say that this is advanced medical technology and that the multiple injections she was giving herself have no doubt had some effect to bolster her body systems and aid accelerated healing. I thought it was left very open to interpretation, but the fact she was running around after major surgery led me to believe that there was some advanced regenerative medicine at work. the fact the engineers changed their plans... I think this was far more than a simple rash decision due to the failure of one ship, I think that experiments like these may have led to heavy political debating among their society but the fact is we just don't know, we aren't given anywhere near enough information to formulate any assumptions. I can't personally accept the description of it as a 'dumb flick' right now. I've seen it twice and i still love it. of course I'd love to hear some more of your views. 1 Quote
*Jess♥ Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 I saw this one while I was on a plane to the US. Longest flight I've ever been on (frigging 20 hours!!!!). Anyway, the visuals are astounding. But for the story itself? Meh! Didn't really give me much excitement when I was watching this. I guess these types of movies are not my tastes. were you a fan of alien? although prometheus is a very different style, it seems to have it's roots in suspense horror of alien but moving away towards a more gentle and creepy sci-fi. I'm not sure about the story myself, but I don't really come for the story with this one, more for the universe and the richness and detail of the culture. the atmosphere, the premise, the design, etc. (20 hrs , wow that is a long flight! my flight from paris to narita was around 12-14 hrs...) Quote
durendal Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 Ahaha! That was funny. ahem. I saw this one while I was on a plane to the US. Longest flight I've ever been on (frigging 20 hours!!!!). Anyway, the visuals are astounding. But for the story itself? Meh! Didn't really give me much excitement when I was watching this. I guess these types of movies are not my tastes. were you a fan of alien? although prometheus is a very different style, it seems to have it's roots in suspense horror of alien but moving away towards a more gentle and creepy sci-fi. I'm not sure about the story myself, but I don't really come for the story with this one, more for the universe and the richness and detail of the culture. the atmosphere, the premise, the design, etc. (20 hrs , wow that is a long flight! my flight from paris to narita was around 12-14 hrs...) Let's just say that Alien left a big impact on me that gave me issues whenever watching movies like these. I just can't help but feel some of the characters as just plain stupid, and was the reason for the whole fiasco that happened to them. And that is one bigass face hugger. Quote
*Jess♥ Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 sometimes i feel like characters in movies are stupid, but i think one of the bigger questions is who is more stupid, the characters or the people who don't understand that many people are stupid. I know the people on this forum well so I am certain nobody here is stupid, but sometimes people pick at things in films merely because they don't understand. it says more about them than it does about the film. I mean the people picked at that guy for being scared of a corpse, but not scared of the snake thing. yes i did consider for a second why he might approach the snake thing but try and run from the corpse. the corpse was a representation of death which instils a fight or flight instinct. since the corpse cannot run, then the man can feel safe in getting away from it. but the snake thing was alive and so he could not be sure that he could get away from it for good. his instinct would tell him that the best thing he can do is try to placate it somehow. it irks me somewhat when people try and tear something apart to try and make themselves look clever. instead that fake trailer comes off as childish. many of the things that people can try and criticise, can be explained or theorised about. they're not really valid criticism. like, why they have a problem that they found an exact formation of an identical star system. that the formation was exactly the same across the cultures, and that exact formation was present in the stars in precise measurements. and included a planet in the goldilocks zone. I don't see why something such as that needs to be mocked. because to me, that represents the nature of space exploration at its very core. of course the fact that they showed clips from aliens at the very beginning demonstrates they have no respect for the foundation of the franchise. they seem to represent themselves as the type of person who holds aliens above alien as a better film. not that aliens is a bad film. it is very good. but prometheus is a film created by the series originator and it's not really fair to compare his work with the work of james cameron who took ridley scotts universe and made a mighty fine action movie with it. ah sorry guys. I seem to be fairly passionate about this. Quote
durendal Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Do pardon my comments as I now understand how passionate you are about this movie. But I still find some of the things that they did as pure stupidity. You actually used the perfect example as that is the exact situation that I was referring to. Come on, you're on an alien planet and you found a corpse, which you know was killed by something, or at least was being chased by something horrifying. You found something alive, and the first instinct you have is to touch it? Our animal instinct is naturally to be on guard of anything we are not familiar with. Sure curiosity may have played a part of it, but as they say, curiosity killed the cat. I guess you can attribute it to the token stupid guy. Talking about this movie actually still gives me the chills. *shudder* Quote
Super Existence Posted November 5, 2012 Author Posted November 5, 2012 I think that vid checked most boxes of why the script was gaff. The only thing they left out was how good looking the two scientists were despite them being geeky scientists and the crew all being stupid, fearful of the unknown and substance abusers and yet this got by whatever psychological and medical examinations they would have had to have gone through to get on the mission in the first place. Also why an alien race would change so little in the tens of millions of years between the opening scene and the future present. I never realised until I rewatched it how bad the acting of the supporting cast was too. Listen to them choking on their dialogue, worst of all is Fifield, it's agonising listen to the lines he delivers and that demented Clint Eastwood impression he delivers. I sat through the making of the film and it's clear from that Ridley Scott has given little thought to the screenwriting process, you can also listen to the commentary where the writers are clearly pissed at certain things. They would write a fleshed out scene, then Ridley would come up with a new idea then and there and they would have to rework the entire script to conform to that one idea. He thinks he understands writing better than anyone but he is the position of George Lucas now were noone is telling him what a dumb idea that might be. The movie is striving for far too many themes and done the worst thing any movie can do which is to not live up to the history of the mythos that preceded it. I always pictured the Space Jockeys to be as big as the one in the chair and to be godlike, imposing, silent, perhaps psychic, something magnificent but utterly unlike us and instead they were us. He took the single most 'alien' species ever committed to film that had a back story only hinted at and ripe for expanding on and completely depowered them utterly. They are too much like us now with a fairly whacky sense of architecture. To make them the same as us is a pompous metaphor for how great the human race is that we are the centre to all events transpiring our galaxy when the idea that on LV426 was this hint of something much more malevolent and cold going on beyond our knowledge. We should have been insects to them not worth bothering with a blip on their plans which eclipsed us a billion years over. Their ships could have been only the beginning of their technology they could have planets built of such materials, mammoth cathedrals to their magnificence And to have the alien as nothing more than a by product of several species coming together was another bad idea, why not return to the idea of the aliens being mysterious? Something beyond our understanding and utterly ghostly. Why couldn't they have done something cool like the space jockeys development was so fantastic the only thing keeping them from accelerating into something beyond their flesh was the constant threat of the alien which was infecting their galactic empire, or perhaps the alien is nothing more than the universes mass extinction device for a species to difficult to destroy because of their space faring and planet colonising nature. So the alien could have been the only representation of any kind of design or thought behind the universe, a natural weapon of mass destruction that got disturbed by the space jockey's far too curious nature. Nature had decided to wipe out all life in the universe and begin again by using the aliens and the only thing fighting back against this was the space jockeys, a race as old as the universe itself. The possibilities were endless...but to have them as a biological whoops is childish. The black goo could have done something really cool in the movie but instead it wound up being nothing more than a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtlesesque mutagen. This too should have been as mystical as the alien was with some clear thought behind it rather than the lazy writing approach in this movie which was 'Let the audience figure it out' (BTW there is a big difference in being ambiguous with ideas and not having an actual clue yourself). Screwing this movie up was the same as the Star Wars prequels going it was almost fool proof, everything left behind was set up to make a great film but they avoided the greatness and went for an esoteric episode of the twilight zone. It was a waste really. I was utterly gutted when I came out of the cinema and angry wasn't the word, because Ridley had the money and the impetus to do something great and wound up surrounding himself with hack yes men to create what is essentially a sci fi big budget B movie in the vein of the old Roger Corman movies. I don't mock this movie to seem more clever than it, I wanted this movie to be more clever than me and instead I found it insulting and quite boring especially how it saw itself standing on the shoulders of it's giant bequeathment from Alien. Quote
*Jess♥ Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Do pardon my comments as I now understand how passionate you are about this movie. But I still find some of the things that they did as pure stupidity. You actually used the perfect example as that is the exact situation that I was referring to. Come on, you're on an alien planet and you found a corpse, which you know was killed by something, or at least was being chased by something horrifying. You found something alive, and the first instinct you have is to touch it? Our animal instinct is naturally to be on guard of anything we are not familiar with. Sure curiosity may have played a part of it, but as they say, curiosity killed the cat. I guess you can attribute it to the token stupid guy. Talking about this movie actually still gives me the chills. *shudder* heh heh i can understand that. it is creepy. ok I'll hand it you you there, you are making good points. I am still thinking about that carefully. to be honest, I don't like to assume that a director has done a bad job or been negligent when working very hard on the project. he has made the movie for people to enjoy so I give them the benefit of the doubt. I'd like to think carefully about that guys behaviour. it's not too far removed from how Kane approached the egg in alien. I think this was meant to echo that scene a lot. I'll think about his behaviour more on future viewings. I'm sure something in his body language or mannerisms will make it clear. Quote
*Jess♥ Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Super Existence, while I respect your experience in the film making field, and you obviously know a lot more than me about script writing and all the rest, I find it very difficult to understand where you're coming from when you review these films. when you describe them you make them sound like they are the worst thing ever, yet prometheus was the tenth highest grossing film of 2012 according to wikipedia. I find it very difficult to respond to your points because i feel like you are coming at it from a very different angle from the majority of the general public, who the film is aimed at? I hope that is a fair comment? Quote
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