The best theory of the universe ever!

[*Jess♥]

I sincerely hope these guys are right because if they are the universe is not only fair but beautiful, sublime and closer in concept to buddhism and the religions of the far east than any other and is scientific whilst being magical at the same time. Hope it's true.

http://www.globalone.tv/group/quantumquest/forum/topics/is-the-universe-a-holographic

New Age Science. I love it. It's so fluffy and cute.

[Aether]

its not ''new age'', its ancient.

i love the way people think just because civilizations that are thousands of years old didnt have cars, hd tv's and ipads that they didnt know anything. they understood the universe and how to interact with it on a different level/way than we do now.(some would say better despite lack of modern'scientific' reasoning).

since i started posting on here ive said how i dont patcularly like or agree with all quantum physics / physicists for the fact they make stuff up and ignore stuff and that article gives a few examples why.

ive heard of this before, as i was reading it i was gonna say have you heard of michael talbots 'holographic universe' book and then his name was at the end.

i think at a fundamental level the universe is fractal. Holographic conjures up the idea that its not real but it fits into the theory anyway. the only problem with saying there is no objective reality is that there must be some objective structure other wise wtf?

i believe that our collective objective reality is an illusion to what ‘reality’ actually is, but that our individual experience of the universe is subjective and that you can influence the objective reality we are experiencing/stuck in, to a certain degree.

just think otherwise we would all be living in our own subjective paradise and no one else would truly exsist....to anyone reading this do i truly exsist? does super exsistence exsist and did he post that link in his post or did my mind create his post??? So that I could write this post.? Etc…

this is just more proof that we are all one, brothers and sisters.

PEACE

Edited September 25, 2010 by Eether

[Salkafar]

I so totally disagree with you.

[*Jess♥]

interesting theory.

it's one i like myself to a certain degree.

but it depends how you spin it.

not sure if i need to say this, probably not, but remember to play nice guys.

probably not necessary but ya know. it's hard to read a situation sometimes.

[Super Existence]

I doubt well ever truly figure things out but it's nice to see a theory that doesn't fly in the face of mysticim in fact it embraces it and also the concept of an interconnected web of minds it very uplifting next to the cold harsh realities of other scientific theories.

[Aether]

I doubt well ever truly figure things out but it's nice to see a theory that doesn't fly in the face of mysticim in fact it embraces it and also the concept of an interconnected web of minds it very uplifting next to the cold harsh realities of other scientific theories.

i so totally agree. and in actuality some of the harsh scientific realities are just what you said - theories. they are 'best guesses' not cold hard fact.

its amusing that some quantum science is just having to conceed to the fact that some mysticism is correct, it might be explained differently but its the same concepts.

like you said, we will never truly 'figure things out' or know the absolute truth.

Of course we will know more and more of the environment we as humans inhabit and how to manipulate it, but we wont know EVERYTHING about the UNIvesre.

Edited September 28, 2010 by Eether

[symbol]

Eether, I think you and I have more in common than I thought.

The Holographic Universe came to my mind too. After reading your replies I thought of some other books I read on ancient civilizations and how advanced they were. Did you know that the Hawaiians had a complex understanding of psychology hundreds, if not thousands of years, before modern civilization did?

Point being: I love this stuff.

[Aether]

we must have something in common as were on the same forum

no i didnt know about the hawaians but it doesnt surprise me. i suppose if youve read stuff like that youve heard of Mu/Lemuria and Atlantis theories... places in the pacific and atlantic islands with ancient cultures and knowledge are said to be distant remnants of those very ancient civilizations (inland great civilizations are aswell really).

Like i said before we have evolved differntly than these other civilizations, and they quite clearly had knowledge that was beyond and or different to ours now, but however good our science is do we really concieve that the civilization we have now will last for another 3000-5000 years?? it will implode if we are not very very carefull... the Egyptians lasted at least 5000 years and thats only by conventional history counting the new and old kingdoms, some theories put it back to 11000 to 36000 years.

point being:how are we going to get to where we're going if we dont know where we came from??

i think the problem with trying to measure and utilize the universe in the fashion we are is that we are trying to be its master and dominate it, the ancients merley understood it and harmonised with it.

Edited October 1, 2010 by Eether

[Salkafar]

This has nothing to do with science. It is fantasy. Which is fine! But please, let's not act as if it is real.

[Aether]

there are many ways to respond to this Salkafar.

so i will articulate my reply to that useless inflammatory comment as eloquently and with such sound reasoning, filled with many refrences that validate my points and back up my opinion, as well as you yourself have done above..

I so totally disagree with you.

[Salkafar]

Guys. Come on.

This hypothesis is from the eighties. The guy who came up with it has been dead for years. Guess what. Not a scientist has picked it up since.

The notion that quantum entanglement - a phenomenon the greatest minds of our time have not yet understood, let alone explained - suggests the Disney notion that "we are all one" is just... not science. It is fancy wishful thinking.

[Aether]

before i continue im not going to reply after this.not because i feel i cant back up what im saying in some way its because i had a discussion with zeo a while back, that would kind of just bring out the same arguement, and i dont have the time or energy to reiterate it. if anyone else feels the need to defend this theory go ahead but i cant be bothered to try and justify my reality to someone else that thinks differently.....

other scientists probably dont pick things up because they are bound within the physical and probaly have the same opinion as you, im sure if you searched hard enough you would find experiments that maybe dont describe the universe as a hologram etc., but that defy standard scientific logic.

quantum entanglement is a 'fantasy' until it can or cant be proved, and then by the sounds of it, it will render what quantum physicists think now as a fantasty and reduce einstein to a fantacist.

again i'll point out... 10-43 before the 'big bang' - another theory - what were we?........

Edited October 2, 2010 by Eether

[Aether]

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Edited October 2, 2010 by Eether

[*Jess♥]

i don't think you can say it's 'disney', it's simply the work of a philosopher that seems to match up with ideas that other whole cultures have had in the past.

now... while we can say that it certainly isn't 'science', neither is a lot of the so called 'research' that is going on.

a lot of so called science these days is actually maths.

this idea has it's foundation in science which is fine. it is most certainly not fantasy, you can call it science fantasy, but to call it pure fantasy is insulting to the proponents of this philosophy, many of whom are very intelligent people.

this is not a case of a stupid low IQ person looking at a book and thinking it must be true.

it's based on observable phenomena and that is the basis of the scientific principle.

salkafar can i ask you to stop being so negative please. you are coming off as abrasive and it's really not fair to the others and is not promoting discussion.

by all means share your own thoughts on the ideas presented but to just pass them off as bunkum is really not fair.

edit:

I should note, I am pretty sure the intent of this topic is not to try and imply that this is cold hard fact proven by science.

i'm pretty sure the intention of this topic is purely philosophical.

[Super Existence]

Totally agree Ryuki. You cant say that he's wrong and we're all morons for believing it.

I never said this was anything more than a very lovely theory, if you dont agree then fine but there is no need to belittle everyone else here.

[durendal]

Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,

Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait...

The Earth began to cool,

The autotrophs began to drool,

Neanderthals developed tools,

We built a wall (we built the pyramids),

Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries,

That all started with the big bang!

[Salkafar]

THAT is the best theory of the universe ever in MY book.

Sheldon is so autistic.

[symbol]

Guys. Come on.

This hypothesis is from the eighties. The guy who came up with it has been dead for years. Guess what. Not a scientist has picked it up since.

The notion that quantum entanglement - a phenomenon the greatest minds of our time have not yet understood, let alone explained - suggests the Disney notion that "we are all one" is just... not science. It is fancy wishful thinking.

Wow salkafar. You have such a limited view on life. Its naive thoughts and comments like yours that kept the world flat for so long. Have you tried going outside? Making friends, etc. ? It might help you open up your mind to new possibilities.

[Salkafar]

Symbol, it is indeed good to have an open mind.

But not so open that the wind blows out all rationality.

[symbol]

Symbol, it is indeed good to have an open mind.

But not so open that the wind blows out all rationality.

Haha, well then, I guess you have nothing to worry about.

As for Eether's reply (which is something a lot more interesting than the above poster's input on the topic) I have delved into the ancient civilizations. I find it all so fascinating. How advanced and intelligent they were. How many of their technologies and moralities still exist in today's world. And what is forgotten?

You bring up an interesting point with how long the Egyptians were around for. Really does seem inevitable that someday our civilization will collapse. Maybe its already started?

Atomic bombs anyone?

[*Jess♥]

symbol,

you aren't expected to like or agree with everyone, but you are expected to be respectful.

please adjust your behaviour towards salkafar.

by all means comment on the ideas he puts across but your posts are aimed directly at him and may be viewed as attacks.

I don't mean to be harsh, just keeping things in check.

[symbol]

symbol,

you aren't expected to like or agree with everyone, but you are expected to be respectful.

please adjust your behaviour towards salkafar.

by all means comment on the ideas he puts across but your posts are aimed directly at him and may be viewed as attacks.

I don't mean to be harsh, just keeping things in check.

Sure thing.

[Super Existence]

http://www.nature.com/news/simulations-back-up-theory-that-universe-is-a-hologram-1.14328?WT.mc_id=FBK_NatureNews