Technophobia: Warning or plain fear

[Tales]

Lets discuss about fear of technology...

I think Technophobia is a normal reaction especially when you find that your future job is about to be replaced by a tin man or something. It may also remind us not to make machines so smart.

[LordSpleach]

I thought Technophobia is a general fear of technology and it's possibilities.

[Tales]

Yeah I know, so what do you think of it?

As an animator-wannabe, I think there will be a limit to what intelligent machines can do... In my field, you have to be the one doing the animation, not the computer doing the job for you. It's both.

[Tales]

OKay if you guys wanna know what I am talking about in technophobia.... You can watch Terminator, I,Robot and perhaps the Matrix to understand this.

Fictional these movies gave us a sound warning: Machines cannot be made too smart. But however, being flights of fantasy, this warning like most science fiction stuff tends to be disputed by the scientific community for years. But look it this way, science fiction has warned us of several issues in the past or predicted the coming of things like submarines, overpopulation of Earth.etc. Even thought most are still far from reach but at the rate we are going, it's possible that with the exception of light sabers, science fiction and facts will began to blur in the future. However based on the documentary, Visions of the future hosted by Michio Kaku, Science Fiction in regards to cybernetic revolt or Machine takeoff scenarios have only shown us the bright side of this possible future.

"Whenever Hollywood shows us human coming into conflict with AIs, the sides are roughly evenly balanced. Becos Hollywood can only show you movies, where the good guys have a fighting chance. Goliath versus David is a story, Goliath versus a fruit fly is not."

Eliezer Yudkowski Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence, Palo Alto

So that means science fiction have been showing us a little psychological comfort that we can win over our mechanical creations. But it turns the truth is, we have no chance of winning at all!!

Should we start addressing this issue whether we should make our machines smarter or we should put a cap on it and say maybe before they evolve intelligence we stem their evolution.

[*Jess♥]

man has been making machiones for a while. they always break down.

I don't believe a human can make a machine that can self sustain and also procreate.

man will be augmenting his own mind and body with techynology before machines become any kind of threat.

we are already cybernetic, all being linked to each other through a virtual network.

our interface may not be totally natural but we are interfaced with technology and that makes us cyborgs.

[Tales]

Well Ryuki that would be the optimistic scenario but it would also mean that in the future we might become like terminators in the next future and finally Transformers in the distant future.

[*Jess♥]

Well Ryuki that would be the optimistic scenario but it would also mean that in the future we might become like terminators in the next future and finally Transformers in the distant future.

wow! you may be right!! we may become transformers??

that sounds incredible!!!

[*V Guyver]

As smart as machines are, there is always someone who can outsmart it. Humans are much less predictable, so even if you have a machine that is on par with human intelligence and function. Chances are the human will still surpass it in other things.

For example, there have been hundreds of super computers with Chess programs, but some humans have still managed to beat those AI's.

If machinese can be made to be self sufficiant, then they are certianly going to have a huge advantage against humans in a range of fields, but I doubt machines would actualy seek the destruction of humanity. If anything, a machine would more likely end up trying to run a monopoly against us financial but still want us as a consumer simply because we would likely outnumber them all... Machinese would hardly need a reason to expand or learn, and would likely be a stagnant being without human influence, or at least interaction.

[Tales]

http://blog.taragana.com/n/scientists-secr...art-men-127973/

[Tales]

It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity.

Albert Einstein

What do you think is the meaning of this quote?

[*BananaKing]

"I do not know what world war 3 will be fought with, but at this rate, world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones...."

-Einstein

Just think about what that really means and how it relates to this topic gentlemen.

Its a bit scary to think about.

[Tales]

Well Einstein was refering to the nuclear bombs.

But anyway, I just got some insight into machines turning against us in the process of fic writing.

Actually it doesn't take a machine that passes the Turing test with flying colors to be a threat to humanity. More frightening is the either deliberate design or machines even with the intelligence of a virus to get an error to cause enormous damage.

But so far all such examples have been in fiction and none has happened yet. But Dr Lenning's quote seem to make some sense.

"there have always been ghosts in the machine, random segments of code that group together to form unexpected protocols. Unanticipated, these free radicals engender questions of free will, creativity and even the nature of what we might call the soul............When does a perceptual schematic become consciousness? When does difference engine become the search for truth? When does a personality simulation become a bitter mote of a soul?"

[*Jess♥]

you know when it get's really dangerous though?

it's when it seems like perhaps ronaldo, beckham and the others are gonna be out of a job....

watch this, it's really scary!

[Tales]

Wow indeed fast forward 20 years, human footballers will be history! This is sick!

Anyway, I think becos robots will render some humans obsolete, then it is possible that we might see the overpopulation and the wars for resources become worse.

[*Jess♥]

of course this is all considering that we base it off current energy production technology.

realise that energy production is going to change, there are many technology in development.

the most promising technology i have had my eye on involves an advanced electromagnetic coil configuration that intends to not only boost output by an insane amount but also the possibility to draw from zero point energy.

but oif course these kind of things go unsupported because then the companies would not have anything to sell. they would lose profit and of course that's not in their favour. in that case it'll just take longer to get these kind of technology off the ground... but the oil's gonna run out at some point.

[Tales]

I see

Anyway, I think the intelligence of machines will get smarter with each generation. But I now question whether is it the intelligence of the machines we should be wary about or is it the abilities of the machines that we should be worried about?

A machine can have the intelligence of a regular lifeform like say the IQ of a bacteria but with the right set of abilities, it could have the ability to cause enormous damage.

[*Jess♥]

i think there's a lot of misunderstanding about the behaviour of machines.

machines at the very core are tools.

their purpose from the very beginning is different from ours. they are made to satisfy a purpose.

human beings with free will and human behaviour is a result of survival. creatures of our sort were never intended as tools in any way shape or form.

machines will be able to mimic human nature for sure. but ti have a machine that is truly free? it's not possible, even humans are not truly free. we are all products of our programming and so are machines. to have a machine that does not do what a human commands would mean that the machine has desires that are contrary to a human beings desire. and no human in their right mind would create something like that. for what purpose would a human do that?

it wouldn't make any sense.

to think that a machine might break its programming?

yeah you might get cases similar to industrial accidents, but full autonomy? i doubt it very much.

[Tales]

I think we have to be thankful that for now Machines are under our control but in the future I dunno.

[spectre555]

just felt this might be useful..........

[*YoungGuyver]

I don't know about that Ryuki. Innovation has allowed us to take one thing and make use of it for something completely different. Viagra, for instance, was originally heart medication.

Computers can become corrupt, can be influenced by malware, and can be equipped with AI. Looks like they have a few different outlets that will allow them to evolve.

I wonder how much damage they could do to us just by messing with the shipping and transport information? Imagine redirecting all food stuffs to one point, forcing millions to starve. Sure, we have farmers markets; but saving a few will relatively mean nothing. Then there is the obvious 'missile launch' scenario, but there are a lot of ways for tech to screw with us.

[Tales]

Yeah I agree

But then I think the issue is not about how intelligent the machines are that makes them dangerous but what the machine is capable of. A CPU is just a CPU without proper hardware.etc

[*Jess♥]

imagine this though...

if a cpu is so intelligent and far surpasses our own intelligence, would that cpu be able to do things that we hadn't thought possible?

an example. a simple wire connected to the cpu. if the cpu varies it's output and input in such a way, it could magnetize the wires and other things and send out frequencies and start to wirelessly control other devices around it.

[Tales]

How is that possible?

[*Jess♥]

to most people's intelligence it may be imopssible or pretty difficult but to a super intelligent massively 20 hundred times the intelligence of einstein on ultra brain medication... there could be science jiggery pokery that we just can't fathom.

uhm.. but you know how transmitters work?

in a transmitter, there is something about varying the voltage or current across a wire and it creates and magnetic fluctuation that causes a ripple in the EM spectrum. or something like that. some EM wave. that makes a radio signal. and radio signals can effect anything. it makes your brain cooked if you are in the wrong palce. that's why those crazy people wear tinfoil hats.

this is what we'll have to do if a cPu gets it's amazing high capacity intelleigent system and all of a sudden it decides it wants to be the master of humans because it will send out radio waves to kill us. or control us. so we have to be wise like these girls and wear tin foil hat.

but the bit about transmitters is true. varying voltage/current across a wire. creates em radiation/signal.

and a cpu if clever enough, could vary it's voltage/current in a specific way in order to achieve a certain signal that would effect other devices in certain ways.