Dark Phoenix trailer

[jerrygoodman]

"Charles...what did you do?"

[Matt Bellamy]

Looks alright. I never bothered with Apocalypse, but I guess I should catch up.

Liking Cyclops' visor though. Looks much more like the comics visor.

[Time War Dalek Emperor]

I have to say this version of the Dark Phoenix looks to be better then the last, but we'll see.

Why dose Prof. X always get made the bad guy in this story? It's true that he's made mistakes befor and maybe there was a better way to go about this but Jean was a disturbed child with enough power to destroy the world.  What was he supposed to do? Normal therapy would be to dangerous because she could kill someone if she lashed out, she needed to be contained befor she could be helped. If he just left here that way, that would be wrong to a digree but something still needed to be done. If he was trying to help her work through he problems post altering her mind well I'd say he was just doing his best in a very volatile situation.

Edited September 28, 2018 by The Shape

[Matt Bellamy]

1 minute ago, The Shape said:

I have to say this version of the Dark Phoenix looks to be better then the last, but we'll see.

Why dose Prof. X always get made the bad guy in this story? It's true that he's made mistakes befor and maybe there was a better way to go about this but Jean was a disturbed child with enough power to destroy the world.  What was he supposed to do? Normal therapy would be to dangerous because she could kill someone if she lashed out, she needed to be contained befor she could be helped. If he just left here that way, that would be wrong to a digree but something still needed to be done. If he was trying to help he work through he problems post altering her mind well I'd say he was just doing his best in a very volatile situation.

I think that discussion will be a big part of the film. It's always a grey area when he uses his powers to alter minds anyway, but his intentions are usually good.

It's probably also a reason why Xavier in his older years ( the first 3 x-men films), never did it to people, even if it would help his cause. He learned his lesson about playing with peoples minds. 

[Larz Zahn]

i never liked the idea of jean having the phoenix level power inside her all along.  To me, it was always a much more thrilling plot to have the phoenix as a cosmic level entity that inhabits her...

 

and Prof X himself is a grey area. in the comics, (after i quit reading xmen of course, they always do that!!) he and scott had a major falling out and xavier left the school. so i assumed he did something bad, or died, for scott to take over. and in the early early early comics, he actually had a thing for jean, which just grossed me out anyhow. i think everybody on the original team had a thing for her except beast!

[Salkafar]

18 hours ago, Larz Zahn said:

i never liked the idea of jean having the phoenix level power inside her all along.

Well, that was the original story.

It made sense in the context of the old idea about mutants. When X-Men started, the cultural perception of 'mutants' was not the biological sense, but 'The future superhumans who will take over the world with their mysterious, superior abilities'. Like Nietzsche, who expected his Übermensch to naturally emerge from humanity, in what I guess is a misunderstanding of Darwinian evolution. Early on, the X-Men didn't just have their special power, they were innately superior to ordinary humans - like a +1 in every area. It was actually a holdover from a slightly earlier age in science fiction, viz. Frank N. Robinson's "The Power".

I'll spoil it for you: the protagonist of that novel discovers he is being drawn into a conflict between superhumans with mysterious powers, who gradually destroy his life while he runs from them; in a final confrontation with the most dangerous superhuman, he realizes the reason they are after him is that he is a superhuman himself; he defeats and destroys his opponent and immediately abandons his own humanity, instantly losing all sympathy for ordinary humans.

That is of course the fear: if a future human race emerges, why would they view us as anything better than apes? And how do we treat apes?

Anyway, Jean was always the girl of the team in more ways than one; her power made her physically the least qualified to engage (Cyclops had his powerful, destructive eye beam; Beast had the strength and agility of an urangutan; Iceman could freeze anything by touch, and Angel could fly under his own power) because it was telekinesis, and not very powerful telekinesis. Revealing she was on the team not to be a fighter, but to keep an eye on her after professor X psychically restrained her power is minor genius: the weak member of the term turns out to be terrifyingly powerful, the team more serving too keep her 'grounded' and in touch with her humanity.

The ultimate failure to do that is excellent drama.

Didn't they already make that film, however?

Edited October 5, 2018 by Salkafar

[H222G981]

On 9/28/2018 at 9:07 AM, Matt Bellamy said:

Looks alright. I never bothered with Apocalypse, but I guess I should catch up.

Liking Cyclops' visor though. Looks much more like the comics visor.

Apocalypse was really good, I felt. I'm hoping this one is good too. But you never know these days with movies. 

[Larz Zahn]

On 10/5/2018 at 6:16 AM, Salkafar said:

Well, that was the original story.

It made sense in the context of the old idea about mutants. When X-Men started, the cultural perception of 'mutants' was not the biological sense, but 'The future superhumans who will take over the world with their mysterious, superior abilities'. Like Nietzsche, who expected his Übermensch to naturally emerge from humanity, in what I guess is a misunderstanding of Darwinian evolution. Early on, the X-Men didn't just have their special power, they were innately superior to ordinary humans - like a +1 in every area. It was actually a holdover from a slightly earlier age in science fiction, viz. Frank N. Robinson's "The Power".

I'll spoil it for you: the protagonist of that novel discovers he is being drawn into a conflict between superhumans with mysterious powers, who gradually destroy his life while he runs from them; in a final confrontation with the most dangerous superhuman, he realizes the reason they are after him is that he is a superhuman himself; he defeats and destroys his opponent and immediately abandons his own humanity, instantly losing all sympathy for ordinary humans.

That is of course the fear: if a future human race emerges, why would they view us as anything better than apes? And how do we treat apes?

Anyway, Jean was always the girl of the team in more ways than one; her power made her physically the least qualified to engage (Cyclops had his powerful, destructive eye beam; Beast had the strength and agility of an urangutan; Iceman could freeze anything by touch, and Angel could fly under his own power) because it was telekinesis, and not very powerful telekinesis. Revealing she was on the team not to be a fighter, but to keep an eye on her after professor X psychically restrained her power is minor genius: the weak member of the term turns out to be terrifyingly powerful, the team more serving too keep her 'grounded' and in touch with her humanity.

The ultimate failure to do that is excellent drama.

Didn't they already make that film, however?

 yeah they did, it was x3, and also apocloypse. pretty much any televised or animated version now has that same story. 

but the actual movie is set for july 7, 2019. if thats what your asking.

 

i think im confused... i was always under the impression that jean had low grade telekinesis and moderate telepathy while she was young. but as she matured, her power level grew pretty high. not xavier level but close, in both tk and telepath abilites. 

it wasnt until the cosmic entity pheonix entered her body and took her over did she become so greatly powerful.  

 

mind you im working off of 20 year old memories of comics and a cartoon from the 90s, but wasnt that the case? 

[Salkafar]

They retconned it so they could bring her back.