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[Azaar]

Well it all depends on how fast they can (if they can) clone that unit. I mean cloning a unit one per second is still slow. Cloning 1,000,000 units at that rate would still take about 8 or 9 months. That's an example.

Not to mention the Destroyer armor may have to be modified or discarded and start anew to work with the Black unit.

Also keep in mind that the Grakkens are already 2x with their own modified units. So they really wouldn't get a boost in overall power until they figure out that unit. A good way of upgrading their units would be acquiring a Gigantic I think and then cloning it too.

EDIT: That got me thinking. I think tonight I will be writing a datafile on what a Gigantic Black Grakken would be.

1,000,000 units, cloned one per second, would take 11 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes, 40 seconds -- approximately. Darn me and my digging out the old calculator. If it was one per minute, by contrast, it would take 1 year, 10 months, 3 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 40 minutes.

I think we've now established that I have entirely too much time on my hands. Should keep writing my Inception fan-fiction for Proteus instead.

And McAvoy... Gigantic Black Grakken. That frightens me. Still ought to be cool to read, though.

[largo]

I was wondering in the fic fulton is a prototype of archanphel so how do the uranus go from stupid dragon creature to demigod i find the jump hard to process. There had to be more prototypes in between the two?

[Zoaknight]

Largo wrote: I was wondering in the fic fulton is a prototype of archanphel so how do the uranus go from stupid dragon creature to demigod i find the jump hard to process. There had to be more prototypes in between the two?

I admit I had wondered the same thing myself at great length, like how many failures did the Uranus go through to create the desired humanoid master zoalord body type? Bulton's form is the most grotesque because he was the first attempt to create a commander class Zoanoid & refine it into something more...regal . Though of course, we know from the manga that not all Zoalords are necessarily very human in shape, like Waferdanos or Kahn's dragonlord form.

However, as for the official canon WG universe....Its possible the Uranus only needed one prototype to learn from their mistakes and create the ideal Master Zoalord (cuz they're oh so perfect, those gene splicing space bastards ), or, they could of course have created other prototypes that may or may not still exist in stasis somewhere or have gone into hiding. We may never know, but, even if no more Master Zoalord Protypes ever appear in the official WG universe, the concept itself does give one awesome ideas for fanfiction does it not?

Who said those prototypes where still alive?

Simple fact of the matter is the offical story goes from Zoanoids ----> Alknaphel.

Ask Takaya where the rest of them are.

Some mysteries are best left unsolved, dun dun dun!

[Sully]

I was wondering in the fic fulton is a prototype of archanphel so how do the uranus go from stupid dragon creature to demigod i find the jump hard to process. There had to be more prototypes in between the two?

Who said those prototypes where still alive?

Simple fact of the matter is the offical story goes from Zoanoids ----> Alknaphel.

Ask Takaya where the rest of them are.

->Note

Survival in the world of the Uranus was not a garrentee. The Uranus showed Alknaphel what they did to other species. So the chance of any prototype being left alive in there world isn't certain. So Balcus simply is lucky to be alive, included in that would be :

Waferdanos (ワフェルダノス, Waferudanosu?)

The second Zoalord to be found by Barcas, he is the only Zoalord confirmed not to have a human origin. Actually, he is a collective formed by a living forest. The name "Waferdanos" is actually the name of the island or Kingdom that the creature lives on. Balcas believes him to be older than Archanfel and of human race as well. He was a previous bio-weapon prototype abandoned by the Creators. Deceased as a result of the destruction of the Arizona headquarter with Yǎn-Tuí.

that is about as offical as you get to an Alkanphel prototype, a living forest collective simular to the relationships between humans and zoalords. That prmitive life from aka Waferdanos would be even older in fan-fiction terms than Fulton Balcus.

As for the rest, use your imagination. I'm not going to spell everything out for you, and as Zoanight said it leaves penty of room.

[McAvoy]

The manga also suggests that Uranus was on Earth for millions or even billions of years altering the biology of creatures until they got humans. So if you really think about it there could be countless prototypes most likely dead from failed evolution lines. Just a thought.

While I like the idea of a bunch of prototypes leading up to Alkanphel I think he was created and altered as needed to perfect him. But it stands to reason they had to know what they were doing when they created Alkanphel. Perhaps Fulton Balcus is the first zoalord X amount of zoalords between him and Alkanphel.

[*zeo]

I was wondering in the fic fulton is a prototype of archanphel so how do the uranus go from stupid dragon creature to demigod i find the jump hard to process. There had to be more prototypes in between the two?

In the Manga Archanphel is the first and most powerful Zoalord, those the Uranus planned to make after him would serve under him. Archanphel in turn created the council of 12 Supreme Zoalords as part of completing the Uranus original plans. So there is no mention of prototypes and if there were any then the Creators likely destroyed them as none are in the Manga/Anime...

While Waferdanos was basically a sentient super plant and was likely a terraforming experiment that was abandoned. Only similarity to Zoalords was its power level and control over the subjecti, who were essentially part of its body. Though this does suggest a prototype could have survived, Waferdanos was limited to that island and was never able to leave until Balcus gave it a Zoacrystal and obtained a more humanoid form.

The creatures on Silha island also suggests the Creators at least kept samples of their progress as it were but since no other Zoalords or prototypes of any other sort have been shown then anything else is strictly fan fic creation... The inclusion of Fulton can then either be explained as a possible prototype that avoided destruction or a more basic zoalord that may have not been completely zoaformed when the Creators left.

There are fundamental differences between the Manga/Anime and the live action movies that would have to be overlooked to an extent to merge them into the same world. Like the live action Guyver stored itself inside the host instead of in the Boost Dimension, the unit host telepathic organisms are on the back of the base of the neck instead of on the host back, the Guyver winds up to be shorter than the host instead of taller, and of course the powers and abilities were less in the movies than in the Manga/Anime.

So taking the same liberties with Fulton we can make him more powerful than he was shown in the movie, though Zoalords like Khan have shown us that Zoalords can take any form and shape depending on their specific abilities. Just like any other zoaform...

Though 3rd possibility is Fulton was a dragon zoanoid, maybe an experimental hyper like the T-Rex that fought Guyver 0 was, but somehow obtained a zoacrystal and that upgraded it to Zoalord status like the same for Waferdanos...

[McAvoy]

McAvoy wrote: Well it all depends on how fast they can (if they can) clone that unit. I mean cloning a unit one per second is still slow. Cloning 1,000,000 units at that rate would still take about 8 or 9 months. That's an example.

Not to mention the Destroyer armor may have to be modified or discarded and start anew to work with the Black unit.

Also keep in mind that the Grakkens are already 2x with their own modified units. So they really wouldn't get a boost in overall power until they figure out that unit. A good way of upgrading their units would be acquiring a Gigantic I think and then cloning it too.

EDIT: That got me thinking. I think tonight I will be writing a datafile on what a Gigantic Black Grakken would be.

Yeah, it should take them a while to spread the new units across the ranks and adapt their destroyer tech to it, should keep them busy for a while, and once they're done they'll probably renew their war with the Gen rather than target earth again. W'kar's plan will probably work out as he thought, Gen & Grakken locked in an intergalactic stalemate, too busy pounding eachother to pay much attention to earth.

Awesome, I look forward to this new datafile of yours McAvoy

McAvoy wrote: I think Sully mentioned he will be rewriting that.

But you would have to think why would the Grakkens ally themselves with Chronos? Granted the Grakkens we have seen for the past ten years were a isolated and outdated one. But considering that Chronos has no better access to free units than even the Grakkens, it wouldn't be even remotely stable alliance.

On a side note, it would have been interesting if the Grakkens did manage to get their hands the Battle unit they were after. Battle Guyver is amount even to a Black unit but has superior shields and more and better abilities. That and a fully functioning HSL. It would defnitely give them a leg up on even the Gen.

A Battlguyver Grakken would be pretty damn dangerous to say the least, but a Battle Guyver isn't all that impressive compared to some of the Test Units Draven and Krullnar have created thus far right? So would it really give them a serious leg up over the gen and their warriors? I mean, even Commander Kavzars and Enforcer Kavzars have hyper space links.

A Battle Guyver Grakken would be much more dangerous than a standard or Black Guyver Grakken but would it be enough to make them a truly serious menace to the Gen? The Black Guyver Grakken are predicted to be powerful enough to cause trouble with the Gen & keep them occupied for a long while but it wasn't indicated that they'd be powerful enough to just steamroll the Gen....I would think it would take a Nova or Warrior Guyver grakken army to seriously give the Gen cause for alarm.

A Battle Grakken would be superior to even superior to a normal Grakken and a Black Grakken. There are a fee reasons. One is shields, the Battle unit has powerful shields where as neither normal or Balck Grakkens have them. Second is the HSL. That HSL is superior to Kavzars and the Grakkens have a severe range limitation. So once the Grakkens figure out how to alter their Destroyer armor to interface with the new unit they will have a powerful army with no range limit. Third, the Battle units shield is more versatile than normal for powerful attacks.

Now on the surface, all three looks to be even but it's the other abilities that can make a difference. Also once the Grakkens figure the unit out just like hey will with the Black unit they can enhance it.

Besides, it seems the new Grakkens are superior to he old ones anyway. So did grasp of Guyer technology is fairly decent. Remember even Chronos can make one.

[Sully]

Little bit of a spoiler here, but the story of Cori is going to change a lot in the re-write. The Battle Unit will have a much longer story as simply a dormant Unit. Cori won't have some sort of predestained "you got it in the WG2 Universe, so why not" arguement going for her this time. It will be something else but bare in mind the dormant Battle Unit will be sitting in ACTF HQ a lot longer.

There's a logical reason to this. All Things Change as a strange reason for a lot of battles, now there's a very simple reason. And part of that is above there the dormant Battle Unit is the most advanced non-Warrior Prototype Unit. The last Unit made by Solom before the Warrior Unit - P5 itself, who do you think will want it?

[Azaar]

Everyone will want it, and everyone will fight tooth and nail to get it.

The ACTF will want it because it's another added weapon in their arsenal (and let's face it, the ACTF early on was pretty clearly in that "we only want the weapons" mindset, as Sean put it in the second live-action movie, though not all of the characters really recognized it as such), and it deprives Chronos of another weapon in not only maintaining control over Earth, but also to keep Alkanphel from realizing his desire to take humanity and zoaform them all in preparation to make war on the Federation.

Chronos will want it for the same reasons as the ACTF, though in their camp, there's also the opportunity to try and study the Battle Unit as a means of turning around and taking the ideas for new avenues of zoaform R&D (Zoanoids who could form energy shields, for example; or maybe something similar to the Bio-Lord enhancement -- if memory serves, the Bio-Lord enhancement was developed from Chronos's study of the incomplete Warrior Unit that Alkanphel is now bonded to, as well as their fights with Jason and the other Warrior Guyvers).

The Grakken will want it because, when all is said and done, their units are lagging well behind the curve, and the fact that they could turn around and suddenly replicate the Battle Unit with their "Unit Cloning" facility so that all the Grakken would have access to it would instantly make them a force to be reckoned with (whether as the baseline for a whole new Grakken Guyver set -- in which case, I cringe to think of what a Destroyer Battle Grakken would be like power-wise, though McAvoy has been theorizing that in another thread, I believe). Not that they aren't a force already, but their understanding and technology is clearly older and doesn't work so well, which hinders their progress.

The Gen most assuredly want it -- after all, the Battle Unit is the most powerful of the Warrior Unit prototypes -- but the main question in regards to the Gen becomes who would get it first and benefit from it? I could easily see Krullnar or G'Kor taking the Battle Unit for their own ends. What G'Kor would do, I don't know -- likely make his own spin on the Warrior Project and take the accolades for Solom's work, if not for something more nefarious (stupid Guyver Zoalord maker). But I suspect Krullnar would take the Battle Unit and build from there to completely revamp the Kavzar. Perhaps truly complete his father's Warrior Project under his supervision, and then take that and put it towards preparation for a new breed of Kavzar -- perhaps something akin to the Warrior Kavzar from the WG2 universe.

[McAvoy]

Little bit of a spoiler here, but the story of Cori is going to change a lot in the re-write. The Battle Unit will have a much longer story as simply a dormant Unit. Cori won't have some sort of predestained "you got it in the WG2 Universe, so why not" arguement going for her this time. It will be something else but bare in mind the dormant Battle Unit will be sitting in ACTF HQ a lot longer.

There's a logical reason to this. All Things Change as a strange reason for a lot of battles, now there's a very simple reason. And part of that is above there the dormant Battle Unit is the most advanced non-Warrior Prototype Unit. The last Unit made by Solom before the Warrior Unit - P5 itself, who do you think will want it?

That's good. I never bought the whole idea that Cori should get it because Cori got it in the WG2 universe. Never made any sense. Logically, Carter would have given it to a trained soldier or agent.

It's pretty obvious that everyone would want that unit.

Grakken would want it because they need a newer technology unit to keep up with the Gen army. Like stated before, the Battle unit is a superior unit over even that of a Black unit.

The Gen would want it as it's a stepping stone to eventually possessing Warrior Technology (or a better version of what they got now). Their HSL in their Kavzars is a good example of this.

ACTF and Chronos just want it as another weapon against each other. Though Chronos will probably get more out of it figuring out how the HSL works and a eventual enhancement to the Bio Lord upgrade.

[OnyxPhoenix]

Oh, boy. Did we just open a can of worms, or what? So, the battle goes on to see who in the end will get the Battle Unit bonded to them. Hopefully, it will remain Cori, especially because if Sean does not have to worry about his girlfriend being kidnapped again and that she can now fight and take care of herself against any Zoanoids, he will be a more effective weapon for ACTF and the good guys. Still, we just have to wait and see. Argh! You guys know how to make us seethe with grit and anticipation.

[Juggernought]

Oh, boy. Did we just open a can of worms, or what? So, the battle goes on to see who in the end will get the Battle Unit bonded to them.

She does gain it still it's just the story of how that came to be will be changed dramatically.

[McAvoy]

Yep.

The story has to be changed in why she or how she got it. Cori isn't a soldier or a warrior of anything. She is a scientist. Why would she get one?

[OnyxPhoenix]

Point taken, fellas. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Sully]

Yep.

The story has to be changed in why she or how she got it. Cori isn't a soldier or a warrior of anything. She is a scientist. Why would she get one?

Not much of a spoiler = so she can find more Units. that a little chaos and events going in her direction.

[Juggernought]

Well protecting ones assets is a high priority for the ACTF especially with new and more dangerous unknowns/enemies popping up out of nowhere....the aceaer unit she had before just wasn't cutting it anymore. She too valuable.

[Sully]

Well protecting ones assets is a high priority for the ACTF especially with new and more dangerous unknowns/enemies popping up out of nowhere....the aceaer unit she had before just wasn't cutting it anymore. She too valuable.

See this is what the fan-fiction pre-write didn't mention enough. the important thing about Cori is she's the top person on "fringe scince" about the Guyver unit and the relics. She actually found one while all others joked about Cori and Marcus Edwards. Simply put if you apply what happened in Dark Hero correctly and bring that story forward fact is she's very important.

The Grakken kidnap her for a reason, it is because she had info to the possible where abouts of the Battle Unit. Looking forward it's a gamble but one ACTF would be willing to take giving her a unit so she can find more others. ACTF have a goal, Cori is marely part of the goal and while the Battle Unit is important it's not their whole goal.

[*zeo]

Yup, Cori would be one of the few with more than basic knowledge of the Creators and their technology outside of Chronos. But to best use her the ACTF would need to be able to send her into the field to track down and help recover any Creator tech like the Battle Unit but she's practically their only expert on the matter and the Grakkens kidnapping her would emphasis how vulnerable she is and how easily she could be captured or eliminated.

While the Battle Unit, though fairly powerful, is primarily a defensive unit instead of an offensive one. Since it's primary capability besides having a HSL is its advance shielding capability. So it is the ideal unit for Cori, as they primarily just need her safe and capable of going on missions and this is something that is likely true for alternate realities versions of her as well as long as she served a similar role...

[McAvoy]

Well, we all knew the reason behind it. The old stories really didn't cover it beyond that Cori in WG2's universe got the unit. It would be interesting how Chronos got those units in that universe and why Cori got it in there too. Presumably she is more or less the same person in both universes, but with imminent destruction of the human race, why did Carter give it to Cori. The only explanation is that Cori is different. Maybe got recruited by the ACTF or FBI after Guyver 2 movie.

[*zeo]

WG2 Universe isn't all that different from the WG universe except for the lack of events connected to the Time War event and the consequences of those changes... It's Strange World that took a real divergence...

[McAvoy]

That is true. But there are differences:

1. Jenny was in the military and got the Turbo unit. Obviously she was never captured by Chronos which begs the question, did Jason's parents still get killed? In WG universe, it was their death that made him really become outstanding to eventually become the Warrior Guyver. It is possible that they were still attacked and perhaps not on their wedding day but maybe their death along with Fiona's death caused it.

2. The Gen finished their Warrior Project, but yet Jason still became the Warrior Guyver. Why did they find this unit at all?

3. How or why did the Gen leave? In the rewrite, the Gen were responsible for many things in normal human life. Atlantis for example. Is it still around? How was human history affected by them without the destructive events of the Guyver Zoalord? Ships were left behind like the Utah, Arizona and Japanese Relics were left behind.

4. Chronos found the Battle unit where WG Chronos did not.

5. Also the universe has the Rapier Guyver where WG universe does not.

[*zeo]

The Relics left behind were mainly the ones left behind by the Uranus, not the Gen... All official Guyvers from the Manga/Anime and Live Action movies still have their original back stories.

Atkins is an example of FBI getting involved and Jason was FBI before he became ACTF... Jason is pretty cross universally consistent. Aside from dying in Strange World for example he was following similar life choices in all worlds.

There were still casualties during X-Day but with Archanphel not singling Jason out means his sister goes on to join the good fight and the O'Conners are fighters at heart.

There are other factors I can't mention...

[Sully]

I've said this before on the board to so no spoiler here. Look at Agito in the WG2 universe. Key events have happened differently in the WG2 universe for him so that he's basically a litle "nicer". He never made zoa-forms. Zeus Thunderbolt never got the Libertus. I'll let you go from there in guess work, but events like that mean the WG2 universe in the re-write will have more explaination and Guyver story behind it.

[McAvoy]

I see. But I do think the first battle with the Warrior Kavzar should be different though since what we know of the Gigantic Guyver now. Having two Warrior Guyvers and a Gigantic Guyver should be far more difficult than originally.

Atkins is an example of FBI getting involved and Jason was FBI before he became ACTF... Jason is pretty cross universally consistent. Aside from dying in Strange World for example he was following similar life choices in all worlds.

Well here is the problem. While I don't doubt that Jason will join the ACTF through the FBI, but his intentions and his main drive will be different. His whole family being killed by Chronos in the WG universe is perhaps the largest reason why he excelled at what he did and eventually becoming Warrior Guyver. While I think Jason in the WG2 universe, would not have the same drive because his family is still more or less alive.

But maybe the only reason why he became WG in both universes is his work with Guyver US.

The Gen leaving Earth as is always puzzled me for years. They still left a bunch of Relics and even advanced Guyver units. If they for example wanted to leave Earth to see how fast or well humans will develop, then shouldn't they have took everything and left humans with a blank slate (more or less)? But it seems that they left Earth is more or less the same hurry as their WG counterparts.

[*zeo]

There were other factors, not everything was revealed in the original story besides the fact that the WG2 Universe Gen were aware of the WG Time War event, they are after all the ones who put up the barrier surrounding the WG universe.