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[Sully]

Important change here in regards to the Creators in the Fan-Fiction.

I’m making this it’s own topic has it will shape all that came before 7 days and reflects name changes in 7 days part 7 itself.

The Creators in the fan-fiction where made up long before we even saw book 15 never mind having access a decent translation which we now have access too thanks to the guys at Japan Legend.

The Creators of the book called themselves the Uranus and where part of a Federation. After the failure of Earth to produce a warrior race they could control ended with Alkanphel feeling betrayed and abandoned and Earth nearly destroyed.

The fan-fiction takes over after they left. The Uranus never returned to Earth. A different race of the Federation decided they wanted to advance the Unit-G and make a new controllable race of warriors based off the Guyver e.g. the Kavzar. They are called currently the Gen (aka Genesis (name might change in the future)).

They got the dormant unit that was once the Guyver 0. They experimented with it and by accident –re-created the host over one of their own. This gave them a more humanoid body to which they could experiment with.

In an effort to get more genetic samples they sent a ship to Earth in the hopes of finding something anything left over from the Uranus. They found much, much more. The Gen then decided to kick start the Warrior Guyver experiment on Earth.

Everything you’ve seen so far of the “Creators” has in fact being the Gen, just one race of the Federation. They actions etc will be better explained after the re-writes are finished.

[McAvoy]

Interesting.

Probably will get a no comment, but how would the rest of this Federation will react to the Gen's actions? Creating warriors much more powerful than Guyver 0? Their accidental and quite possible fatal creation of a Guyver Zoalord, their worst fear?

[Sully]

This is pretty much no comment.

But if you think about it by the modren time the Gen have a huge army. If they are are still part of or what they did to the Federation will be left open ended.

Another thing to note. Everyone on Earth bar a few people inside the Elite Zoalords of Chronos (Namely Alkanphel, Imakarum and Valcus) know that the Gen are not the same race that came to Earth and Created Alkanphel. They know this through the same source they learned about the Warrior Guyver.

[Zoaknight]

So the Gen are not one in the same with the guys who originally created Arcanfel and the other zoanoids and the guyver? But rather part of the same big group who pooled their resources together? Interesting...The "creators" as we've seen them so far in the fanfics seem to have no physical form of their own until they merge with a Unit-G (as far as I know at least, never heard of one that wasn't depicted as a small guyver like being...minus all the awesome power of course). What do the Uranus look like?

[Sully]

So the Gen are not one in the same with the guys who originally created Arcanfel and the other zoanoids and the guyver?

Nope that was a group called the Uranus. These are the offical "Creators" and are part of a Federation and are not a fan-fic creation.

But rather part of the same big group who pooled their resources together?

How the group actually worked is a big question. But from what we saw of Alkanphel's memories here are the important facts.

1. the Federation decided Earth was to be destroyed after the Uranus told them of the Guyver event.

2. The reason for this was Earth itself. The creatures of Earth made their standard equipment (the Unit-G) rogue as the combined result was not only very powerful but also uncontrolable (humanity was breed as a weapon not to be warm and cuddly). This also means before Earth all other members of the Federation never had this issue. Also the Uranus attempted to control the Guyver 0 and was ignored by him. To do so they had the expectation that they could control him. But they could not. This effectively meant Earth was screwed and the Federation sent the giant moon sizes rock to kill us all.

3. The Uranus basically had only moments to get off Earth after 2 was decided by the Federation, they left stuff behind because they didn't have time or didn't want to bring it with them. That stuff they expected to be destroyed by 2.

4. They have along with the Federation have never being herd from since.

Interesting...The "creators" as we've seen them so far in the fanfics seem to have no physical form of their own until they merge with a Unit-G (as far as I know at least, never heard of one that wasn't depicted as a small guyver like being...minus all the awesome power of course). What do the Uranus look like?

We don't know what the Uranus looked like, most probably never will. As such they'll never appear in the fan-fiction.

The Gen are mostly energy based beings. But they have found a way to become humaniod and go back again. Teh Gen where the ones that decided they wanted a controllable Guyver. The Uranus and the Federation do not know what the Gen planned. Earth is their dirty little secret.

[McAvoy]

One running theory that the Creators all look like Guyvers since they are the ones who originally wore the armor. Guyver 0 was just a test to see how the humans would react to the unit itself.

[Zoaknight]

Will the recent events that have taken place in the Guyver manga up to volume 27, such as the appearance of "Apollyon," his actions, and the Gigantic's battles with the Zoalords be addressed in the fanfiction? Don't want to get into too many specifics cause i don't want to spoil anything for other fans who haven't read the manga yet (I've been having a BLAST catching up )

[Sully]

Will the recent events that have taken place in the Guyver manga up to volume 27, such as the appearance of "Apollyon," his actions, and the Gigantic's battles with the Zoalords be addressed in the fanfiction?

This has being answered before. Simple answer is it'll be handled in the rewrite of Union for the Gigantics. As for Apollyon he's simply not compatable with the story in the fan-fiction.

IF he's a Uranus Warrior = what's the point of the Gen and the Kavzar? so in that respect he never happend.

IF he's Alkanphel or Imakarum it also doesn't work for the fan-fiction. But why Apollyon didn't happen if it was one of those two will also be answered and it's all connected tooo..... No comment

Don't want to get into too many specifics cause i don't want to spoil anything for other fans who haven't read the manga yet (I've been having a BLAST catching up )

Most of those who visit the board know where to find it, so by this stage as it's being a good 6 odd months since this was released there's no need to post in Spoiler text. Once the book covering the chapters is released it's a good sign you no longer need to post in spoiler as by that stage anyone with any knoldge of the web would have read the Translated chapters from Japan Ledgend. Tbh ANY English reading fan shood, there is no other valid source of the translated story. But in also saying that, any fan should be buying the orginal Japanese books so that we show our support and the books don't get cancelled!

[guyverfanatic]

Will there be any datafiles to differentiate between the Gen and Uranus? Not that we have much to go by in the manga... >_>

[Sully]

Will there be any datafiles to differentiate between the Gen and Uranus? Not that we have much to go by in the manga... >_>

There will only be a Gen Data files section after the rewrite and big update is done.

As for the Uranus they don't get one as they don't have an active role in the fan-fiction other than what they did in the past. That might change if Takaya ever brought them into the comics.

[McAvoy]

So basically a reworking of the Creator datafiles then? With of course the new data that we have.

[Sully]

So basically a reworking of the Creator datafiles then? With of course the new data that we have.

Yes.

Basicaly you could say the Data Files would be made by an active character or characters in the fan-fic.

Chronos = Valkus

Gen = Krullnar

ACTF = Dr Drake

and so on, the Uranus lack an active role in the fan-fic so basically anything of theirs would most likely be refered by the Gen data files.

[McAvoy]

Are they going to be reworked to reflect who is writing them? Or are they going to be similar to how they are written now?

[Sully]

Are they going to be reworked to reflect who is writing them? Or are they going to be similar to how they are written now?

Simular to as they are now, they are not meant for persanal reading like a jurnal or a dairy but for general use to warn those who might hae to fight along side or against these foes. I wouldn't put the above list as a "these guys really would be writing this" list. It was just an example of who "could" be writing them.

The data files appear in the story from time to time for example Kron loves reading them.

[Armageddon]

Are they going to be reworked to reflect who is writing them? Or are they going to be similar to how they are written now?

Simular to as they are now, they are not meant for persanal reading like a jurnal or a dairy but for general use to warn those who might hae to fight along side or against these foes. I wouldn't put the above list as a "these guys really would be writing this" list. It was just an example of who "could" be writing them.

The data files appear in the story from time to time for example Kron loves reading them.

Reminds me of All Things Change part 1. He was sitting in front of that computer reading them, wasn't he?

[Sully]

Yup he was. There will be more of that now in All Things Change.

In keeping with this topic, Time War introduced the Gen and explained a lot of what they are doing on Earth. Mainly that they are not the Uranus of the Orginal Books and have their own goals and their own problems (G'Kor being cheif of said problems).

Union is the into story mainly focused on ACTF and in the orignal not really focused on Chronos. Re-write will change that so there is more of a Chronos element to the story to explain what happened to them between the Dragon Lord event and present day story.

Time War is basically a Gen story that Warrior Guyver gets involved in so his Unit's history is explained and the fan-fiction has a good base of a story to work off.

Rescue is a Grakken story (well it should be and will be in the Re-write).

the thing to remember here which a lot of you don't realise yet is the following, Chronos are after the Uranus (basically that's Alkanphel's revenge focus in the offical stories). The Gen are a powerful sub ex-race of the Federation who themselves have reason to hate it more than Chronos. Don't think the two are natual enemy's forever or set to wipe the other out.

[Azaar]

the thing to remember here which a lot of you don't realise yet is the following, Chronos are after the Uranus (basically that's Alkanphel's revenge focus in the offical stories). The Gen are a powerful sub ex-race of the Federation who themselves have reason to hate it more than Chronos. Don't think the two are natual enemy's forever or set to wipe the other out.

Now, that's a bit of an eye-opener. I knew G'Kor had his own agenda from pretty much the beginning, but the entire Gen race as a whole have a point of contention with the Federation? My, my, my... sounds like the ACTF might have its hands full in the possible event of a Chronos/Gen joining of forces.

[Sully]

the thing to remember here which a lot of you don't realise yet is the following, Chronos are after the Uranus (basically that's Alkanphel's revenge focus in the offical stories). The Gen are a powerful sub ex-race of the Federation who themselves have reason to hate it more than Chronos. Don't think the two are natual enemy's forever or set to wipe the other out.

Now, that's a bit of an eye-opener. I knew G'Kor had his own agenda from pretty much the beginning, but the entire Gen race as a whole have a point of contention with the Federation? My, my, my... sounds like the ACTF might have its hands full in the possible event of a Chronos/Gen joining of forces.

No one said best buddies either.

[Azaar]

True. It does make one wonder, though, what sort of circumstances could potentially bring the Gen and Chronos together. I'm sure both sides would be playing off against the other, and all sorts of political intrigues would abound. Would be an interesting time for everyone, and the ACTF would have to find ways to sabotage such an alliance.

[McAvoy]

Grakken would be a good example. The Grakken and Chronos have really never been close.

[Azaar]

There is that. I would almost say the Grakkens wouldn't be so much of a threat, but I did read 7DOH part 7 -- the Black/Dark Unit the Grakken obtained from the Clanship, plus their ability to mass-produce the Unit to begin spreading it through the Grakken rank... yeah, that might be a point in favor of a potential alliance, but I think ultimately it would be short-term, and both sides will be looking for every opening they can to backstab the other at the drop of a hat.

Still would be fun to read, though.

[McAvoy]

Well it all depends on how fast they can (if they can) clone that unit. I mean cloning a unit one per second is still slow. Cloning 1,000,000 units at that rate would still take about 8 or 9 months. That's an example.

Not to mention the Destroyer armor may have to be modified or discarded and start anew to work with the Black unit.

Also keep in mind that the Grakkens are already 2x with their own modified units. So they really wouldn't get a boost in overall power until they figure out that unit. A good way of upgrading their units would be acquiring a Gigantic I think and then cloning it too.

EDIT: That got me thinking. I think tonight I will be writing a datafile on what a Gigantic Black Grakken would be.

[Zoaknight]

An alliance between the Grakken and Chronos would have been to their benefit BIG TIME no doubt, but as we all know the first and last attempt they made to join forces was ruined and now both sides have zero trust for each other. Then there are the Merc Guyvers...I imagine they're in trouble now that their bosses have gone home & pretty much everyone on earth is their enemy. That's what they get for teaming up with a deranged billionaire with ties to a Gen hating alien race

Edited February 16, 2011 by Guest

[McAvoy]

I think Sully mentioned he will be rewriting that.

But you would have to think why would the Grakkens ally themselves with Chronos? Granted the Grakkens we have seen for the past ten years were a isolated and outdated one. But considering that Chronos has no better access to free units than even the Grakkens, it wouldn't be even remotely stable alliance.

On a side note, it would have been interesting if the Grakkens did manage to get their hands the Battle unit they were after. Battle Guyver is amount even to a Black unit but has superior shields and more and better abilities. That and a fully functioning HSL. It would defnitely give them a leg up on even the Gen.

[Zoaknight]

McAvoy wrote: Well it all depends on how fast they can (if they can) clone that unit. I mean cloning a unit one per second is still slow. Cloning 1,000,000 units at that rate would still take about 8 or 9 months. That's an example.

Not to mention the Destroyer armor may have to be modified or discarded and start anew to work with the Black unit.

Also keep in mind that the Grakkens are already 2x with their own modified units. So they really wouldn't get a boost in overall power until they figure out that unit. A good way of upgrading their units would be acquiring a Gigantic I think and then cloning it too.

EDIT: That got me thinking. I think tonight I will be writing a datafile on what a Gigantic Black Grakken would be.

Yeah, it should take them a while to spread the new units across the ranks and adapt their destroyer tech to it, should keep them busy for a while, and once they're done they'll probably renew their war with the Gen rather than target earth again. W'kar's plan will probably work out as he thought, Gen & Grakken locked in an intergalactic stalemate, too busy pounding eachother to pay much attention to earth.

Awesome, I look forward to this new datafile of yours McAvoy

McAvoy wrote: I think Sully mentioned he will be rewriting that.

But you would have to think why would the Grakkens ally themselves with Chronos? Granted the Grakkens we have seen for the past ten years were a isolated and outdated one. But considering that Chronos has no better access to free units than even the Grakkens, it wouldn't be even remotely stable alliance.

On a side note, it would have been interesting if the Grakkens did manage to get their hands the Battle unit they were after. Battle Guyver is amount even to a Black unit but has superior shields and more and better abilities. That and a fully functioning HSL. It would defnitely give them a leg up on even the Gen.

A Battlguyver Grakken would be pretty damn dangerous to say the least, but a Battle Guyver isn't all that impressive compared to some of the Test Units Draven and Krullnar have created thus far right? So would it really give them a serious leg up over the gen and their warriors? I mean, even Commander Kavzars and Enforcer Kavzars have hyper space links.

A Battle Guyver Grakken would be much more dangerous than a standard or Black Guyver Grakken but would it be enough to make them a truly serious menace to the Gen? The Black Guyver Grakken are predicted to be powerful enough to cause trouble with the Gen & keep them occupied for a long while but it wasn't indicated that they'd be powerful enough to just steamroll the Gen....I would think it would take a Nova or Warrior Guyver grakken army to seriously give the Gen cause for alarm.