Guyver Derzerb

[Sully]

Unless Krullnar was particularly sadistic and placed the force of the extinction bomb in the control medals to the levels of destroying a city...if so then it would highly depend on where the GPZ would be located before it went off.

Not likely. He's more obsessed with having the Test Units kill each other and how they can tell him more about his fathers project than anything else. Doing the above simply removes one of his test Subjects and gives him nothing for it.

As for Natasha no comment

[WarriorZoalord]

Unless Krullnar was particularly sadistic and placed the force of the extinction bomb in the control medals to the levels of destroying a city...if so then it would highly depend on where the GPZ would be located before it went off.

Doubt Natasha will be of much use combat wise though...she's more of the brains of the operation, and most likely her status as a WG now would enable her to make further testing and advancements. Come to think of it, she was pretty cold and angry at the death of her mate, and now that she has some strains of the Crystallite infection encorporated in her unit, i wonder how that could affect her psyche

If she thinks chronos isnt doing enough to get revenge for her mates death at the hands of aptom she could actually go rouge. Not saying she will, but if she ever needs a reason to that would likely be it.

[Juggernought]

Wouldn't be a point to that though, Chronos has all the resources she needs so if she is really intent on revenge why not stay with the Organization that would help you get this without much cost. I just think she would endeavor to make Chronos that much more powerful and dangerous and with that get revenge...2 birds one stone.

But we'll see. Her uniqueness as a warrior guyver with matrix and crystallite properties will be interesting to see how it changes things for her, chronos and the story.

[Zoaknight]

Juggernaut wrote: Wouldn't be a point to that though, Chronos has all the resources she needs so if she is really intent on revenge why not stay with the Organization that would help you get this without much cost. I just think she would endeavor to make Chronos that much more powerful and dangerous and with that get revenge...2 birds one stone.

But we'll see. Her uniqueness as a warrior guyver with matrix and crystallite properties will be interesting to see how it changes things for her, chronos and the story.

Agreed, Natasha's revenge against Aptom will be MUCH easier and more achievable if she remains a loyal subject of Chronos and has access to all the technology and resources they provide to her, she's Dr. Valkus's top assistant afterall, and with the Matrix Warrior Guyver unit at her disposal there's no telling how much more intelligent she'll become, since her zoanoid ability is super intellect if I recall, we're talking major brain boost plus warrior guyver level strength (don't know if its standard warrior guyver strength or more advanced like Fae's though).

Once she recovers I imagine she'll go hard to work studying all the advanced new features of the various new guyvers and enhanced Zoalords and figure out how to incorporate such tech into their zoaforms, perhaps even overcome the difficulties they've had with implementing Biolord technology to their higher ups...The Eliminator will be of great interest to her especially I'll bet, imagine what Chronos could do if they could copy some of its tech or find a way to make more...

Edited January 12, 2011 by Guest

[Juggernought]

Agreed, Natasha's revenge against Aptom will be MUCH easier and more achievable if she remains a loyal subject of Chronos and has access to all the technology and resources they provide to her, she's Dr. Valkus's top assistant afterall, and with the Matrix Warrior Guyver unit at her disposal there's no telling how much more intelligent she'll become, since her zoanoid ability is super intellect if I recall, we're talking major brain boost plus warrior guyver level strength (don't know if its standard warrior guyver strength or more advanced like Fae's though).

Once she recovers I imagine she'll go hard to work studying all the advanced new features of the various new guyvers and enhanced Zoalords and figure out how to incorporate such tech into their zoaforms, perhaps even overcome the difficulties they've had with implementing Biolord technology to their higher ups...The Eliminator will be of great interest to her especially I'll bet, imagine what Chronos could do if they could copy some of its tech or find a way to make more...

I doubt she's a true matrix warrior guyver, i just think that the matrix shards fused with her unit in order to keep the crystallite infection in check. Is the matrix going to self regenerate and become fully operational and making her on par with Jason's unit...doubt it. All its resources has probably gone to heal the control medal, keep the unit stable, retain some aspect of itself and probably just boosted her optimized intellect like you said so that she can perceive things on a new level. Although she may go through some unique mutations as a result of this mix match of different power elements, maybe some energy draining capabilities. And considering she is a Warrior Unit G5 (like jason's and warrior guyver vamore) i'm pretty sure Dreadnought is going to be even more pissed that Chronos has another version of him.

[Zoaknight]

Juggernaut wrote: I doubt she's a true matrix warrior guyver, i just think that the matrix shards fused with her unit in order to keep the crystallite infection in check. Is the matrix going to self regenerate and become fully operational and making her on par with Jason's unit...doubt it. All its resources has probably gone to heal the control medal, keep the unit stable, retain some aspect of itself and probably just boosted her optimized intellect like you said so that she can perceive things on a new level. Although she may go through some unique mutations as a result of this mix match of different power elements, maybe some energy draining capabilities. And considering she is a Warrior Unit G5 (like jason's and warrior guyver vamore) i'm pretty sure Dreadnought is going to be even more pissed that Chronos has another version of him.

Well, I'm not saying that she'll be on par with Jason or anything, she doesn't have a Gigantic upgrade afterall (and little experience with the use of her guyver unit for now at least), but she could conceivably possess the same level of power and abilities as Jason while he's in his normal, Matrix Warrior Guyver form. If not, she'll at least be more advanced/powerful than a normal warrior guyver unit since she has matrix parts inside her. She'll definitely get a brain-boost since thats the one special ability afforded to her by her optimization as a zoanoid, allowing her to advance Chronos tech a few years ahead of schedule I imagine...Perhaps she could optimize her body to a more advanced state like Jason has been theorized to be able to do, but won't because he wishes to remain human? Thats just a bit of guess work there, might be pushing the realm of possibility, the brain boost is the only thing certain at this point.

[Sully]

I'm not going to give much away but just need to clarify something.

Even before the rewrite Dreadnought isn't a "perfect" example of a Matrix bound Warrior Guyver. Remember it was blasted by Alkanphel, when damaged it looked for the most simular damaged Gen tech to bond with.

This will be given a greater explaination much later in the fiction, basically in the story after 7 Days when we've exectively a living MAtrix. But just thought you guys should factor that in with your guesses to what Natasha might become.

WG + WG Control Sphere + damaged matrix = Dreadnought.

WG-N + WG COntrol SPhere + Damaged Matrix + Crystalite infection = Rival female like Dreadnought (don't read too much into that, she's go a name for the new mode but not saying it here and or how different she is to Dreadnought).

[Zoaknight]

Sully wrote: I'm not going to give much away but just need to clarify something.

Even before the rewrite Dreadnought isn't a "perfect" example of a Matrix bound Warrior Guyver. Remember it was blasted by Alkanphel, when damaged it looked for the most simular damaged Gen tech to bond with.

This will be given a greater explaination much later in the fiction, basically in the story after 7 Days when we've exectively a living MAtrix. But just thought you guys should factor that in with your guesses to what Natasha might become.

WG + WG Control Sphere + damaged matrix = Dreadnought.

WG-N + WG COntrol SPhere + Damaged Matrix + Crystalite infection = Rival female like Dreadnought (don't read too much into that, she's go a name for the new mode but not saying it here and or how different she is to Dreadnought).

Okay, cool! Thanks for the info Sully, we all look forward to what you cook up next after the rewrites :

Now here's a challenging matchup, Black Guyver Derzerb vs Enforcer Prime...What say ye all?

[OnyxPhoenix]

I say for all his strength and power, Enforcer Prime still has uber experience on Black Guyver Darzerb. They may tussle back and forth pretty well, but in the end, I think EP will take BGD out. BGD is now all about overpowering strength and his deadly fire breath, but we are talking about an Enforcer Kavzar, the very first one, and his experience and battle prowess has no equal. He has taken on hordes of Grakken in the past, and the present, and won. His powers are more versatile than BGD, and last I checked, I don't think that even a Black Unit will give BGD's Mega-Smashers the same firing time and potential of EP, especially if he uses his gravity powers to enhance them. BGD is not a warrior type. EP has got him there but good. Still, all in all, it would be a damn good fight.

[Zoaknight]

Hhhmmm....Maybe a more even fight would be BGD vs Black Nova or Angel? Plenty of other massively powerful guyvers out there besides Jason and W'kar afterall, but I see your point about Enforcer Prime having WAY more experience, in that regard Prime has the edge over most other bio boosted beings on earth.

[OnyxPhoenix]

Now, Black Nova, or should I say Dark Nova, would again have way more gravity power than BGD. He's a Black Unit-equipped Hyper Zoanoid, and she's armed with a Quantum Singularity and vastly stronger armor that is molecularly more dense than his. Not to mention the ability to slow or speed herself or others up w/ that gravity power. Black Nova 2 (jenny O'Connor) would probably have more trouble w/ BGC due to her not having Dark Nova's upgrade and her special ops exp. Dark Nova would eventually take BGD to the house, and so would jenny, but only after a much longer fight.

Angel? GP Zerebubuse is a tough customer for her due to his size and the full enhancement from his Unit, as well as his shielding and strength. BGD would be along the same lines, but w/o the shielding levels. His normal defensive shields w/ a Black Unit would be good, but not up to the task, I think. Really tough for Angel, but in the end, her knowledge from her Unit would keep her ahead of the game, even against a parallel dimension Unit. After a tough and exhausting fight, Angel would win by sheer stamina. Black Units, although having greater than normal stamina, are still not unlimited like Warrior Units and Kavzar types. That's my vote.

[McAvoy]

Don't know about Black Nova 2 winning against the BGD because of the huge difference in power levels. For all we know BGD would be invulnerable to all but the most powerful attacks from even Dreadnought.

Granted very few beings on Earth would even come close to rivaling Dark Nova. In fact I think only Dreadnought comes close. But being a master of gravity does not bring victory in a fight.

[Zoaknight]

Here's a thought...Would Black Guyver Derzerb's Napalm breath attack work in the empty vacum of space? Or does he have to be on a planet with an atmosphere?

[Sully]

Here's a thought...Would Black Guyver Derzerb's Napalm breath attack work in the empty vacum of space? Or does he have to be on a planet with an atmosphere?

Not without a sorce of oxygen.

That's not to say "great I can defeat him in space", that heat would be as Zeo pointed out transfered too his 3 head beams and act like fast mega-smashers and he'd get you that way.

[OnyxPhoenix]

But being a master of gravity does not bring victory in a fight.

True, and I see what u mean between Black Nova 2 and BGD, McAvoy. As a Hyper, Darzerb's strength was second to Zektole, and his hide was highly impervious due to it being made up of mostly augmented muscle tissue. A Vamore energy blast from Aptom, although probably stronger than normal, really only served to give him a little rash and to really tick him off. Flame breath was also nasty, but normal Guyvers luckily are resistant enough to it to make it through with only a sunburn. She would have a lot of trouble with him as a novice and not a fully trained combatant. I can see her Quantum Singularity powered Unit outlasting him, too, but the Black Nova unit does have a higher level of powers over a standard unit, and a wider variety of abilities to use to fight such a creature. Given a much larger degree of training and understanding of her Unit, even with the large difference in size and strength (the Black Nova Unit does give a strength level of 1000 men @ base level), I can see BN2 defeating BGD, but it's gonna leave some serious hurting.

With a Black Unit, and I'm reading this from the GWOTG uni DF, ground and flight speeds are substandard, but durability is 2X that of normal Units, healing at 2X as well, and strength is equal to Gigantics. OK, that makes a big difference, larger than I thought before. Head laser, v-swords, and sonics also equal to Gigantics, but pressure cannon at only standard strength, but can be used at enhanced rates (firing more often probably.) Mega-Smashers rated at 2X that of normal units. That can be a problem as well, especially since the Black Unit's control medal is said to have 3X the energy storage capacity of a normal Unit, but still w/ normal operating parameters. Enhanced gravity shield can withstand attack from a normal Unit's Mega-Smasher (single or double not stated.) Still, I think Dark Nova would be able to take him. Mei Lynn's a bad a**, and special ops to boot. Plus, she's got a serious bone to pick w/ Chronos alongside the Nova twins.

In the end, need to compare DFs to see 4 sure. For him to go toe to toe with W'kar and do serious damage to him, gotta know for sure.

[Zoaknight]

Dark Nova would be a challenging opponent given her Dreadnought level strength, but I think Black Nova 2 would be way over her head fighting Black Guyver Derzerb, I mean, even W'kar is wary of his brute strength and napalm breath. Black Nova 2 is tough, but she's way below him in power...But of course, if he made the mistake of using gravity attacks against her she could just blow him away with his own attacks just like her brother did against Reeve back in the day, guess it depends on whether he's been kept informed of what her unit can do (I imagine most Chronos agents are expected to read up on the various guyver enemies they're expected to face in battle).

[McAvoy]

Dark Nova would be a challenging opponent given her Dreadnought level strength, but I think Black Nova 2 would be way over her head fighting Black Guyver Derzerb, I mean, even W'kar is wary of his brute strength and napalm breath. Black Nova 2 is tough, but she's way below him in power...But of course, if he made the mistake of using gravity attacks against her she could just blow him away with his own attacks just like her brother did against Reeve back in the day, guess it depends on whether he's been kept informed of what her unit can do (I imagine most Chronos agents are expected to read up on the various guyver enemies they're expected to face in battle).

I agree with this. Also remember that both Dark Nova and Black Nova 2 have regular control medals. Meaning that any damage done to the control medal would be very bad. No auto teleport either.

[Zoaknight]

Zoaknight wrote:Dark Nova would be a challenging opponent given her Dreadnought level strength, but I think Black Nova 2 would be way over her head fighting Black Guyver Derzerb, I mean, even W'kar is wary of his brute strength and napalm breath. Black Nova 2 is tough, but she's way below him in power...But of course, if he made the mistake of using gravity attacks against her she could just blow him away with his own attacks just like her brother did against Reeve back in the day, guess it depends on whether he's been kept informed of what her unit can do (I imagine most Chronos agents are expected to read up on the various guyver enemies they're expected to face in battle).

McAvoy wrote: I agree with this. Also remember that both Dark Nova and Black Nova 2 have regular control medals. Meaning that any damage done to the control medal would be very bad. No auto teleport either.

Oh man you're right! Dark Nova and Black Nova aren't linked to Hyper Space like the Warrior units are so if they got blown away in battle and only their control medals remained they wouldn't be able to port away and regenerate safely, they'd be at the mercy of whoever it was they were facing at the time

[McAvoy]

Yep and if they are on the losing end of a mega smasher, they will get vaporized. I think some people forget this. Not all Guyvers are Warrior Guyvers.

[OnyxPhoenix]

Well, they are regular CMs in the fact that they do not have Warrior tech, so to speak, and lack the auto-teleport function and regenerating abilities of a WG. However, their CMs have been designed to handle the much larger gravity abilities of their Units. We both know that WG's CM is better equipped to handle that since it was designed to beat the Black Nova in the end, but WG also does not have the Zoacrystal fragment that holds the Quantum Singularity. If that CM was blown to kingdom come, and the Singularity got loose, ... anyone read Guyver XT's two stories and his run-in with a dimensional anomaly like that. NO THANK YOU!

Still, their stamina levels are near limitless w/ the QS. Only problem is the time needed to recharge after big attacks. Given enough power, a Black Nova can deal some serious hurt to most enemies by itself. Had Zarfel been fighting against Dark Nova instead of Nova Storm, she would have handed him his walking papers. Nuff said.

Still, BGD is gonna be a major player, and the heroes needed to be on their toes.

[McAvoy]

Well, they are regular CMs in the fact that they do not have Warrior tech, so to speak, and lack the auto-teleport function and regenerating abilities of a WG. However, their CMs have been designed to handle the much larger gravity abilities of their Units. We both know that WG's CM is better equipped to handle that since it was designed to beat the Black Nova in the end, but WG also does not have the Zoacrystal fragment that holds the Quantum Singularity. If that CM was blown to kingdom come, and the Singularity got loose, ... anyone read Guyver XT's two stories and his run-in with a dimensional anomaly like that. NO THANK YOU!

And what do you think what would happen if there was damage done to the Black Nova control medal?

[OnyxPhoenix]

That's what I meant to say, McAvoy. Sometimes my hands get ahead of my head when I type, especially on unfamiliar keyboards. I meant to say that if Black Nova's CM was blasted to hell, and the Singularity got loose...boy, would that be a mess and a half. Guyver XT had his hands full with the one in China, and they were just barely able to disperse it. Hate to see that happen in the states.

[guyverfanatic]

My question is..... if Sho Fukamachi (Guardian 2?) and Faye fight Black Guyver Darzerb long enough to weaken him, would they be able to kill him if they used the Gravity Crusher in tandem?

[Zoaknight]

Guyver Fanatic wrote: My question is..... if Sho Fukamachi (Guardian 2?) and Faye fight Black Guyver Darzerb long enough to weaken him, would they be able to kill him if they used the Gravity Crusher in tandem?

I don't think Guardian has a Gravity Crusher attack, her unit is designed differently from Sho's even though they both possess units of the same type. Praetorian Guyver units seems to adapt to whatever best suits their host, Faye got bio whips as a unique mutation whereas Sho recieved Gigantic type power amps/shoulder towers. Its been speculated he may possess powerful shielding capabilities thanks to his strong desire to defend his loved ones and the innocents, BUT, we haven't seen him in action yet so we don't know what advantages his new unit provides just yet (only that he's likely to be much more badass than ever before with a more advanced unit at his command).

The shield system may probe effective for defending against Guyver Derzerb's Super Napalm breath attack though, defense vs offense

[OnyxPhoenix]

Zoaknight, just looked at the DF for Guardian; As it reads in her gravitational powers:

Subject also has the ability to generate the Gravity Crusher, a gravity weapon previously unique to the Jy-taki of the W'Kar parallel world. By creating an immense Gravitational rift around a target, the Gravity Crusher can shrink the target to 1/8 of its normal size.

So, guyverfanatic may have something there. However, we do not know if Sho's new Unit will have that ability as well. Still, his defensive abilities will be quite impressive. As for offense, let's just see what the mods and the writers send our way when the next update hits, k? It's sure to get good real quick.