Guyver Derzerb

[Zoaknight]

Alien politics, always so complicated XD

I wonder how much more of a threat the Grakken will be the the Gen now that they have access to Black Guyver technology? I mean, they won't become like Dreadnought level powerful but they WILL become stronger & thus more formidable than before (maybe not enough to PWN their entire civilization but enough to make them a bigger headache than they were originally, massive numbers was really all they had going for them until now).

At any rate, I wonder who'd win an all out, no holds bar battle between Black Guyver Derzerb and Guyver Powered Zerebubuse? I imagine that since Black Guyver Derzerb got his unit from a source outside this dimension's Gen's influence that he'll likely become Chronos's top guyver since Guyver Powered Zerebubuse's days are more or less numbered (i.e. he's dead the instant the Gen decide their experiments are over or he goes into battle against them). Warrior Guyver Vamore may be another contender for Chronos's top guyver agent as well (i.e. lead enforcer/minion/whatever ya wanna call em, lol).

[WarriorZoalord]

(i.e. he's dead the instant the Gen decide their experiments are over or he goes into battle against them). Warrior Guyver Vamore may be another contender for Chronos's top guyver agent as well (i.e. lead enforcer/minion/whatever ya wanna call em, lol).

if i remember correctly, the extinction device was a failsafe added to all units, not just test units, if said failsafe happens to be multi-universe (Since it was "Sealed" off by the Gewn of other universes, i would say they all know of the danger) i'd say the few units that would Probably not have one would be: WG, (after all, Solomn was planning on using this unit on himself, so he wouldn't be going about making it so another jealous creator might end up offing him.), WG2 (was a unit that was active on a creator), WG3 (same as WG2,) FWG (its a maybe), W'kar's, and Alk's unfinished unit. However, I'm pretty sure if someone knew what they were looking for, as i think Dread told one of the other guyvers (cant remember who) that the test unit's basically had a self destruct device installed. he could likely find and deactivate it on guyvers he actually liked, but that would likely draw attention of krullnar so I doubt he'd do it when the creators are paying close attention to them.

[Juggernought]

if i remember correctly, the extinction device was a failsafe added to all units, not just test units, if said failsafe happens to be multi-universe (Since it was "Sealed" off by the Gewn of other universes, i would say they all know of the danger) i'd say the few units that would Probably not have one would be: WG, (after all, Solomn was planning on using this unit on himself, so he wouldn't be going about making it so another jealous creator might end up offing him.), WG2 (was a unit that was active on a creator), WG3 (same as WG2,) FWG (its a maybe), W'kar's, and Alk's unfinished unit. However, I'm pretty sure if someone knew what they were looking for, as i think Dread told one of the other guyvers (cant remember who) that the test unit's basically had a self destruct device installed. he could likely find and deactivate it on guyvers he actually liked, but that would likely draw attention of krullnar so I doubt he'd do it when the creators are paying close attention to them.

The extinction device was only added to the current test units. As for most other units out there, they have a bio boost limiter placed on them so that another guyver zoalord could never be created and any zoanoid with a high bio energy signature would not get the full bio boost potential....the only exception being Sho's old unit, Shizu(FG3), and the black units. None of the Warrior or Nova Units have any of these limitations. Dreadnought and W'kar are aware of the extinction device on the test units and they are also aware of a signal being sent back to some unknown location and person. Dreadnought has the only capability to remove it with the help of the matrix, but i think either he doesn't have the time to worry about it now, or he just won't say anything, as a form of control he would have. Plus the only person i could see him helping is Max who has the Giant Unit....I doubt anyone knows about the Aceare units sending signals to krullnar either

At any rate, I wonder who'd win an all out, no holds bar battle between Black Guyver Derzerb and Guyver Powered Zerebubuse?

Black Guyver Derzerb would come out on top....Guyver Powered Zerebubuse has very limited stamina and would only hold out for so long, where as Derzerb has all the durability, energy projection and power he needs to withstand a prolonged battle. Plus his unit has no limiters and at base the Derzerb type is stronger than Zerebubuse.

[WarriorZoalord]

Black Guyver Derzerb would come out on top....Guyver Powered Zerebubuse has very limited stamina and would only hold out for so long, where as Derzerb has all the durability, energy projection and power he needs to withstand a prolonged battle. Plus his unit has no limiters and at base the Derzerb type is stronger than Zerebubuse.

actually, in power the two would be similar if the black units have limiters in them (after all, we really havent seen that many guyver zoanoids in the GWOTG Series to get an accurate read) both powered Zerebubuse and Darzerb have the same strength rating, so really if they are in all purposes equal, it would come down to stamina to be the desciding factor unless one has more experience in combat. (example: Guyver 2 Vs. Sho in the anime. G2 basically kicked sho's ass until the unit's CM started acting up.)

[Sully]

actually, in power the two would be similar if the black units have limiters in them (after all, we really havent seen that many guyver zoanoids in the GWOTG Series to get an accurate read) both powered Zerebubuse and Darzerb have the same strength rating, so really if they are in all purposes equal, it would come down to stamina to be the desciding factor unless one has more experience in combat. (example: Guyver 2 Vs. Sho in the anime. G2 basically kicked sho's ass until the unit's CM started acting up.)

I'm just disagreeing with one thing here. The fight between Guyver 1 and Guyver 2 wasn't a stamina fight. Guyver 2 had far greater stamina being at the time more experince combat operative. A trained operative of Chronos ready to become a hyperzoanoid. What was his downfall was the dodgy Control medal. If not for that the offical story would be very different.

Aside from that continue as this is interesting to read who you'd guys think would be the victor and why.

[Juggernought]

Well i don't think the black units would have any limiters in them because they are from an alternate universe...w'kar's to be exact and it was never stated they were incorporated in that as the Creators didn't really care to do more tests on earth, they pretty much destroyed the place.

Other than that i would also think if this particular black guyver derzerb is the regular 60 men rating or the improved 90 men strength rating model. If the latter and with some of the black units abilities mostly double that of a standard unit in almost every way, physically i think he would be the most powerful currently on the planet. His durability would be on par or exceeding guyver powered zerebubuth due to the fact that the black unit is twice as resilient as a normal unit, it is equipped with a gravity based shielding and on top of that with Derzerb's natural durability and the fact that the guyver effect could mutate his napalm ability to form further heat shielding...he could potentially shield upwards of 50x a normal guyver's most powerful attacks (pressure cannon or mega smasher)

And because he can generate such awesome napalm energy that high bio energy potential would probably be brought to bear in his weapons, that being his head lasers 3 in total..combine that with his heat generating ability enhanced with the guyver. More stamina from this type means he would be able to use high powered attacks for longer periods and still have energy for close combat if it came to that...which probably he would resort to since he is a muscle type and use to ramming attacks and train wrecking punches.

Don't know if his sonic emitters would replace his napalm breath and mutate them into some kinda plasma sonic wave emitters.

Basically im thinkin this guy has little to nothing limiting or slowing him down. His control medal is not damaged, his zoanoid type is not weak or low on stamina nor is his unit limited by a bio energy limiter, also he has no extinction device in his unit either. Even if there was i doubt it would matter because the unit is an unknown in this universe.

Guyver powered zerebubuth on the other hand has many limiting factors. His stamina in his fully enhanced form is only a little over half that of his normal stamina. So he wouldn't last a long time if he used high powered attacks, the most i'd give him is 2 hrs max with as much as 6-8 hrs if he used energy sparingly and tried to come in for close combat.

Krullnar is obviously monitoring things through this test unit, and who knows how much he can do to control it...all we know right now is that it has a limiter on it so the zoanoid can't reach its full potential although it has already been altered to allow it to get so powerful, and it has that extinction device if the test is deemed complete.

Ultimately i think it will come down to a combined thing of experience of both combatants along with the power they have at their disposal and how long they can keep it up.

Even though the datafile of the black unit may need updating, if still some of its power is approaching gigantic guyver levels with no hindrance in its bond with the Derzerb zoanoid ...well i think powered zerebubuth will be against the ropes.

[*zeo]

And because he can generate such awesome napalm energy that high bio energy potential would probably be brought to bear in his weapons, that being his head lasers 3 in total..combine that with his heat generating ability enhanced with the guyver.

Darzerb doesn't just generate Napalm, but has a organ that generates thermal energy and Darzerb has the ability to release that energy through its skin in a thermal blast wave. An example of this can be seen in the scene where Aptom first tried to to land on top of Darzerb but Darzerb used the thermal blast to knock him away.

While the Guyver's Head Beam is actually a heat vent, releasing excess thermal energy in a focused and directed manner. So a host capable of generating massive amounts of thermal energy should boost the power of the head beams in addition to the boost the host power level would impose from the Bio-Boost... Maybe even matching Neo-Zektole's Blast Tempest, which basically is a thermal beam generating over a million degrees and that creates secondary damage upon impact because it's hot enough to induce fusion in target mass... Basically imagine the same effect as shown in the movie Independence Day when the alien ships fired that main weapon on the city.

Though unit efficiency may prevent it reaching that level of power before the armor itself starts to become damaged from the intense heat. Basically same reason Neo-Zektole disintegrated when firing the Blast Tempest... Assuming the Head Beam orbs don't evolve into a different form for a Guyver Darzerb of course...

So far in the Manga only one zoaform, Besides Dragon Lord Khan, was ever able to fire that intense a heat blast and survive... Though FG2 killed it shortly after the first blast

[McAvoy]

You guys are forgetting something here. The Black Guyver unit is twice as powerful as a standard unit. Increased durability, regneration, all weapons etc. Guyver Powered Zerebubuse has a standard unit and Black Guyver Darzerb has a Black Guyver unit.

All things being equal, and using the old estimates for Darzerb and Powered Zerebubuse which have both of them at 100 men each, GPZ is 40x where as BGD would be 80x. That Napalm Breath is as zeo says would go right through the head beam as 3,000 degress is much, much higher than a normal human can produce. I would even suggest that Napalm ability may even go through the other weapons too as a boost.

I'd estimate the basic Guyvers abilities on Guyver Darzerb being equal or better than the Guyver Powered Zerebubuse.

In a fight I see Guyver Darzerb winning after a moderate length fight.

That and Guyver Darzerb has no such WG universe device in his unit.

Also the early GWotG stories does have Guyver Zoanoids. Guyver Ramotith, Guyver Vamore and Guyver Gregole with all three being enhanced zoanoid models as well. It was shown that even W'Kar (in his 2nd Evolution 16x, no energy draining, mega smashers drain him etc) having trouble with them. The three Guyver Zoanoids using standard model Guyver units as well. There was a Guyver Zoalord as well but not nearly as powerful as the WG version though. This Guyver unit had a single control medal from a Guyver who had two, so you could suppose that Guyver Zoalord (Guyver Darkness) wasn't up to his full potential either. Also, the Zoalord was a cloaking type proto zoalord as well. Estimated to be around 60 to 80x.

Not to mention the Guyver Bonder series zoanoids as well. The AAR once had three Guyver Zoalords of undetermined power and took out millions of AAR Guyvers I believe to take them down.

So I do not think the Black Guyver unit has such a limitation device. But obviously, you can't have a Guyver Zoanoid running around with near Guyver Zoalord level power. So you could say that the GWotG units operate differently on zoanoids or even in this universe.

[Sully]

This is one og those things you really can't just stick X on and say "Black Guyver Dazarb" should on paper now me near equal to the Guyver Zoalord.

First off McAvoy would be very correct in saying what does apply to this character is different to all the other Unit's in the fan-fic bar Sho's and Agito's old Units. These are Unit's of another member of the Federation who didn't limit them. Different events conspired against wouldbe hosts to bring down their downfall in the GWOTG. The Black Unit is a simple Unit that is basically double a normal Unit but Black in Colour. There is nothing more special about it and nothing limiting it like a Gen produced Unit (our one modifed by their tech).

So in writing about this character I focused on the strenghts of a Darzerb. I

t's a VERY though with a skin that can survive being burned, and high power laser blasts that just annoy the host. That was before it was Guyver enchanced. Making most laser and heat based weapons against this new super being useless.

The hyper zzoanoid is capable of matching strenght with a Guyver enchanced human. So factor two, the character is beyond strong. Simple umatched and if he punches you, you will not have a face left = W'Kar learned this one.

This fire breath = do NOT stand in the way. W'Kar again learned this one fast.

Didn't quite realise this, but yes Black Darzerb will sooner or later learn if someone is playing a distance game with him he can use the naturally accuring heat in his body to overly enchance his lasers. So no one would want to be shot by that either.

But there the only abilities of his as a zoanoid that would be hugely great. His mega-smasher would be about the only other ability that would be awesum. Black Darzerb's problem is mobility. There is nothing about the hyper-zoanoid that screams "I'm fast". Quite the otherside the Darzerb in the comics had no problem being attacked... and then eaten by Aptom. Yes he was tricked but overall hes a fatty. As Zombieland put it the zoanoid needs to pratice running. He doesn't have the abilty to teleport either nor would have really advanced energy shielding systems.

So overall is this very powerful character but is he unbeatable no. Basically think about what is not enchanced that would be needed against the "good" characters. What would be open to attack and you'll see in the end means W'Kar and Dreadnought can beat him alone. But they sure has hell will not want to match this character's strenghts. Well maybe W'Kar would as he's a nutter

[WarriorZoalord]

So overall is this very powerful character but is he unbeatable no. Basically think about what is not enchanced that would be needed against the "good" characters. What would be open to attack and you'll see in the end means W'Kar and Dreadnought can beat him alone. But they sure has hell will not want to match this character's strenghts. Well maybe W'Kar would as he's a nutter

Well, W'Kar loves challenges, and BGD would be the strongest (barring alk depending on what comes out of the cocoon) and as we all saw in Part 7, was clearly enjoying the fight. but much like the WG units, W'Kar's got pretty much infinite stamina cause of the unit... BGD doesn't, which means In a "war of attrition" Dread and W'Kar would win, assuming they didnt mess up and get blown to smithereens and he gets away while they are regenning.

[McAvoy]

Actually BGD would be even slower. I just looked it up the old datafile on the Black unit and it has standard Guyver speed (as far as GWotG).

[Zoaknight]

I thought W'kar DID have limited stamina, meaning he has ALOT of stamina and endurance but doesn't have unlimited stamina like a warrior guyver. Am I wrong?

Derzerb is definitely not the fastest zoanoid, BUT, the guyver unit should still greatly enhance his speed and agility, especially if he uses his gravity controller (things he'll likely learn as he gets used to his unit). No idea how he compares to other stronger guyvers or even zoalords in terms of speed, but he's certainly not a slowpoke anymore (but WILL have to learn how to get used to all his new abilities of course, lol). He's used to being a lumbering brute not a high speed combatant

[*zeo]

Well, the lack of gravitational power means flight speed will be significantly less than you would otherwise expect from a being in this power level. While running speed may actually exceed flight speed as long as Darzerb is traveling in a straight line like a rhino about to ram you.

Since muscle power translates to speed and momentum and it's just agility where Darzerb is really lacking. So Darzerb may not have very fast overall but he could still ram and jump at significant speeds.

On the down side, all that momentum also means it is harder to change direction once committed to a specific attack. So if W'Kar and Dreadnought can dodge the initial attack then they can use Darzerb's momentum against him and knock him off balance.

The question of durability without energy shielding is another, but Gigantic Exceed showed that the Bio-Armor is capable of withstanding even a mega smasher unshielded if infused with enough power. So it could be possible that Darzerb's natural durability gets boosted to levels that it would be near invulnerable. So it would take incredibly intense energy attacks to cause damage...

[WarriorZoalord]

Well, the lack of gravitational power means flight speed will be significantly less than you would otherwise expect from a being in this power level. While running speed may actually exceed flight speed as long as Darzerb is traveling in a straight line like a rhino about to ram you.

When i read this part of your post, I was reminded of Juggernaught from X-Men, If I remember correctly, thats pretty much what he's known for, an unstoppable force while moving in a straight line.

[Juggernought]

Well like World War Hulk said, " Nothing stops the Juggernaut? Fine, keep going!"

[Sully]

Yeah, no one will want to get his in way... not anyone sensable anyway. Given his power set too mountains would not stop him either.

[Juggernought]

It will be interesting to see what plans are in store for him. Clearly he's the new power house in town with only W'kar and Dreadnought and probably Enforcer Prime coming close to taking care of him. He really has no other equal and could probably cause severe damage if let loose on Grakken and Gen forces...if they give him the chance that is.

Question is, will he last long enough to make a huge impact on things. And will he be a lasting character.

[Zoaknight]

Well, I hope he'll be a lasting character since Powered Zerebubuse is likely gonna bite the dust sooner or later with that extinction device of his and since the good guys have so many powerful new units Chronos will need new heavy hitters to remain a viable threat.

Now we just need to wait and see how powerful Alkanphel's new form is gonna be...Something tells me he's gonna once again appear like a god like being compared to the rest of his troops after he emerges from the cocoon :mura:

[McAvoy]

I think Black Guyver Darzerb and Guyver Powered Zerebubuse would be a team. Firepower and brute strength and power would go nice together.

[Zoaknight]

Black Guyver Derzerb and Warrior Guyver Vamore could serve the same lethal combination as well as a team, plus neither of them would possess the extinction device or power limiter.

[McAvoy]

True. Also WGV and GPZ are also a good combination like they were in Seven Days storyline.

[Sully]

There is also a Warrior Guyver Thancrus.

[Zoaknight]

Oh yeah! I COMPLETELY forgot about Warrior Guyver Thancrus

Warrior Guyver Vamore, Warrior Guyver Thancrus, and Black Guyver Derzerb....Quite a fearsome trio , team of six actually if ya count Natasha, Guyver Zoanoid, and Guyver Powered Zerebubuse (Chronos has a fair number of Guyver zoanoids now)

So Thancrus would be their high speed melee combatant.

[Sully]

Guyver zoanoid, Guyver Zerabubuse, Black Darzerb, Warrior Guyver Thancrus, Warrior Guyver Vamore. Together all 5 will be very nasty. That's not including the likes of Tonnin at the command of Imakarum. I think Chronos is in safe hands at the moment.

[Juggernought]

Unless Krullnar was particularly sadistic and placed the force of the extinction bomb in the control medals to the levels of destroying a city...if so then it would highly depend on where the GPZ would be located before it went off.

Doubt Natasha will be of much use combat wise though...she's more of the brains of the operation, and most likely her status as a WG now would enable her to make further testing and advancements. Come to think of it, she was pretty cold and angry at the death of her mate, and now that she has some strains of the Crystallite infection encorporated in her unit, i wonder how that could affect her psyche