Gigantic Guardian

[exscaped_pyscho]

I've been wondering for awhile now if Guardian could use the Dreadnought Upgrade? I don't know how much the Mark II technoligy altered her control medal's compatability with regular Warrior Tech. Right now I think the question could really go either way. Her CM still retains the basic four partial processors and pyramid design. But at the same time she's operating at a much higher power level; Meaning the alterations of to the CM could very well have been altered in a way that wouldn't allow her unit to access any type of Upgrade or Unit add on (Much like what happened to Fighter Guyver II).

However if she is capable of utilizing the Gigantic upgrade, I think her power levels would be something like this.

Basic Power Level: 200x

CPM Boosted power Level: 250x

Bio Energy Doubler : 500x

Plus the unique nature of her unit could also produce new abilities never before seen. She would be in the same power league as Dreadnought, Dark Nova, and Angel.

[*zeo]

Uh, if Dreadnought is 25x with a Matrix... How do you get 200x for Guardian?

[McAvoy]

I think he miss placed a zero.

Well, if she were to use the Warrior Gigantic, and recieved the full 3x, she would be a base of 18x, 22x CPM boosted and full BED of 44x. The three HSLs might make the boost slightly longer but unlike Dreadnought, she would revert to the level of the standard Guyver.

If she recieved the 2.5x boost which Dreadnought gets (considering her level of power and technology is much closer to Matrix Warrior Guyver than any other WG), she would be 15x., CPM boosted to 19x and full BED of 38x.

Or she could get a bigger boost from the Warrior Gigantic than 3x...

[WarriorZoalord]

speaking of upgrades, i always wondered, can someone wear an acear unit and an upgrade like the gigantic/dreadnought unit at the same time?

[Juggernought]

Doubtful, they essentially do the same thing. WG was wearing one when he got the Dreadnought upgrade but it wasn't seen again after he reappeared as the Matrix Warrior Guyver. My guess is, it got merged and integrated in the base unit or it is being stored in the boost dimension until jason calls for it.

[Armageddon]

Doubtful, they essentially do the same thing. WG was wearing one when he got the Dreadnought upgrade but it wasn't seen again after he reappeared as the Matrix Warrior Guyver. My guess is, it got merged and integrated in the base unit or it is being stored in the boost dimension until jason calls for it.

According to his DF, Jason still has the Aceaer unit in his possession, but has little use for it. See here: -Special Note: Prior to his merging with a Matrix, the subject had acquired an Aceaer Unit. Though the Aceaer Unit is a none bonding type Creator armor and normally only adds its power to user's, the Aceaer appears to have partly bonded itself to the Warrior Unit and taken a more streamlined design. This analysis is further strengthened by the fact that the Warrior Guyver's powers where increased by 40% instead of the estimated 25% that using the Aceaer should have caused, but now it is thought unlikely the subject will ever use the Aceaer again, now that the subject can transform into Dreadnought, except maybe to pass on to an ally in battle.

And if I remember right, it is possible to use the Gigantic and Aceaer units together, but I think it was Zeo who said it was redundant and wouldn't be done in the fic.

[WarriorZoalord]

And if I remember right, it is possible to use the Gigantic and Aceaer units together, but I think it was Zeo who said it was redundant and wouldn't be done in the fic.

Even if it is redundant, the railguns and extra shielding would probably help a normal guyver out when using it with the gigantic, especially with powerhouses like the bio-titans becoming more and more commonplace.

[Juggernought]

Also Jason could either give it to a friend he trusts as the fight with Chronos becomes more and more costly or he could just give it to his wife so she has more offense and defense capabilities to take on stronger enemies without him always having to send her the Dreadnaut armor.

[sonarelite]

I have a question but not sure if it reletive to this topic but here goes,

As a Matrix Enhanced Warrior Guyver can jason upgrade an acaer to make more powerful or make it bond permanetly to another guyver.

Or an acaer enhanced unit, not sure what Im asking but you get what I mean.

[Juggernought]

I don't think his unit in his cm can do it because most of its abilites is tied up in enhancing him. The most we've seen his matrix affect another unit is to either heal or remove it. But the other matrix he has in his possession can surely do that provided it has the resources.

[WarriorZoalord]

I don't think his unit in his cm can do it because most of its abilites is tied up in enhancing him. The most we've seen his matrix affect another unit is to either heal or remove it. But the other matrix he has in his possession can surely do that provided it has the resources.

more than likely it would be something akin to the Crimson Acear, though without the Grakken Tech controlling stuff.

[sonarelite]

Yeah I know but crimson acaer was an acaer with with a kavzar control crystal built into it.

What Im thinking was something akin to a guyver unit and acaer unit combined, something like a guyver acaer that can be taken off a host or addon to other guyvers. Something with guyver abilities plus acaer type weaponry. Or maybe say a warrior guyver and acaer merged together to create a warrior acaer guyver unit.

[McAvoy]

FYI, Warrior Guyver did not have it on when his control medal was linked up with the War Relic and Warrior Alkanphel vaporized him. So, no Jason does not have an Aceaer.

Even if he did, you are talking about adding only 160 men to a being with 2,500 men and has far more powerful weaponry than the Aceaer could ever enhance. It would be like adding a 1HP to your 400HP engine.

It's more useful to the lower level Guyvers like Guyver US or Battle Guyver who's power level is low enough for it to make a difference.

[WarriorZoalord]

Yeah I know but crimson acaer was an acaer with with a kavzar control crystal built into it.

What Im thinking was something akin to a guyver unit and acaer unit combined, something like a guyver acaer that can be taken off a host or addon to other guyvers. Something with guyver abilities plus acaer type weaponry. Or maybe say a warrior guyver and acaer merged together to create a warrior acaer guyver unit.

uh, most of the Aceaer's abilities are comperable to Guyver ones, the shoulder pods have a Megamasher equivilant, they have a headbeam, they have plasma swords instead of vibrational swords, they can create pressure cannons as well if i remember, and they even have something equivilant to the WG's body shield. it is in essence a transferable guyver unit. so enhancng it to guyver like qualities would probably only boost the regeneration of it, if at all. the Hyper Aceaer, the one that got turned into the Crimson unit, was in essence what you just described. it was more powerful than the standard Aceaer and could still be worn by other units, though apparently they are designed to not work with Grakken tech...

[exscaped_pyscho]

Sorry about my previous post. It was late at night and I tried to do quick and dirty mental math. Apparently my brain doesn't function well with little sleep, go figure Anywho, basically drop a zero off all my previous calculations and you get a much more believable number. Also it should be noted that the mutational properties of the Praetorian unit could come up with some new ability when merged with a Gigantic Upgrade.

[McAvoy]

It is possible that the mutation especially in Guardian's case becomes enhanced. Instead of Bio Whips they could become Bio Sword Whips or something similar.

Also let's remember that Guardian is the second most advanced Warrior Guyver unit only inferior to Matrix Warrior Guyver. So chances are she might not recieve the full 3x boost that Female Warrior Guyver got but not quite as low as the 2.5x boost that Matrix Warrior Guyver gets. On the other hand she may get an even bigger boost to reach the 25x limit, but unlikely.

As far as Aceaers are concerned. They are not Guyvers, they do not bond. At the most they might bond to the skin. They're more like organic exo-armor. So, if the Aceaer can be merged with a unit on their own, then chances are these hybrids probably won't be as powerful than as if they were not merged with the base unit. But let's also remember the Giant unit has a control medal ring, which means Aceaer can get control medals or at least part of one without becoming a Guyver.

[WarriorZoalord]

As far as Aceaers are concerned. They are not Guyvers, they do not bond. At the most they might bond to the skin. They're more like organic exo-armor. So, if the Aceaer can be merged with a unit on their own, then chances are these hybrids probably won't be as powerful than as if they were not merged with the base unit. But let's also remember the Giant unit has a control medal ring, which means Aceaer can get control medals or at least part of one without becoming a Guyver.

Again, see the Hyper Aceaer, it is basically the stepping stone between an Aceaer and a Kavzar, it's still technically an aceaer, and if it hadn't malfunctioned (thats why it didn't teleport away when angel killed the host.) it would probably have basically merged with the grakken instead of well, turning him into a big puddle of goo. Which basically, a Hyper Aceaer was roughly the equivalent of a gigantic, or a guyver wearing an Aceaer. Of course, the broken one that turned into Crimson is the only one we've seen, but that doesnt mean there can't be more of them out there somewhere.

[McAvoy]

The point is that if you add a control medal to a Aceaer it becomes closer to Guyver-like. That effectively adds what makes them unique which is able to bond with Guyvers to add their power to them.

[WarriorZoalord]

The point is that if you add a control medal to a Aceaer it becomes closer to Guyver-like. That effectively adds what makes them unique which is able to bond with Guyvers to add their power to them.

as far as i know, adding a control medal to an Aceaer would make it a guyver unit. remember, the control medal needs to be bound to the host inorder to be any use. unlike with the warrior armor, which the aceaer is based off, it can operate without CM's because its got CM like components built in to keep the armor stable.

Remember, the Giant unit only had a RING of the CM on it, to help control it, it didnt have the entire CM, we can only speculate what would happen if it were to merge with a CM, but I believe it would turn it into an acutal unit, because if it has a CM, then i dont think it could merge with other units.

[McAvoy]

Yes, but I think it would be a little bit involved than adding a control medal to the Aceaer unit. But it does bring up the question, of what a true Aceaer Guyver unit would be like.

[sonarelite]

Yes, finally someone who know what I was talking about a guyver and acaer merged together, with a guyver with acaer properties like a standard unit with all its abilites but with one difference it can be removed like an acaer, without using a unit remover.

[WarriorZoalord]

Yes, finally someone who know what I was talking about a guyver and acaer merged together, with a guyver with acaer properties like a standard unit with all its abilites but with one difference it can be removed like an acaer, without using a unit remover.

Well, we have to get confirmation from Zeo if its even possible to have a CMed Aceaer. Even the hyper Aceaer partially bonded with the host, which si why it takes like 5 or 15 minutes to "remove" completely. and remember, aceaers were designed to basically be guyver units, all i can see is maybe a hyper aceaer with normal guyver weaponry instead of Kavzar based stuff if its even possible.

[McAvoy]

Yes, finally someone who know what I was talking about a guyver and acaer merged together, with a guyver with acaer properties like a standard unit with all its abilites but with one difference it can be removed like an acaer, without using a unit remover.

No, you put a control medal on an Aceaer you basically remove that ability to be removed like an Aceaer. Remember that the Aceaer is non-bonding which means:

1. It's regeneration is inferior to a Guyver. Fatal injuries to the host will kill the host. The speed of regeneration is much slower to the Guyver,

2. Because it doesn't link up with the brain (or as efficiently) like a Guyver, reflex speed is much slower.

3. It adds it's strength to the host or host unit. Only the more efficient units like a Warrior Guyver or one of the prototype units like Battle Guyver can geta bigger addition. The Aceaer does not Bio Boost, the HSL replaces that.

4. Normally, a HSL would be bonded even down to the DNA of the host like a Warrior Guyver, but the Aceaer does not.

That's all I can name off of the top of my heasd right now.

If you give the Aceaer a control medal (and everything you need to make it work), then it becomes Guyver-like and it is non-removable like a Guyver. Though I suppose the Guyver Aceaer would keep some of the technology of the Aceaer like the body shield, fusion cannons, and woukd have a HSL.

[WarriorZoalord]

Hence why i basically compared it to the hyper aceaer. it would roughly become a gigantic (Pre-official power changes meaning just double guyver) and be unlimited stamina, in essence, it owuld basically become like the supreme guyver unit.

[McAvoy]

It might not even be that powerful. The components that make it non-bondable may have to be removed before you add the control medal. For all we know it could be a normal Guyver power level but with unlimited stamina, rail guns and fusion cannons.