W'Kar Posted August 16, 2007 Author Posted August 16, 2007 1- In Dreaddy 2- In Dreaddy's control 3- Destroyed in the Clanship 4- W'Kar has it Quote
guyverfanatic Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Technically they said 'repair the damage done'Which W'Kar is pretty much assuming means blow Jason's ass up. I'm sure W'Kar can repair the damage without having to kill Dreadnought. Hopefully... Quote
Juggernought Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Probably won't attempt such action until he gets back in his own dimension. He knows jason has that ability. Kregen were unable to do it for some reason, and i have no clue why he couldn't use the matrix to do it. Quote
Frost Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 What sort of damage are we talking about here? what are it effects and why are the Krgens so concerned? and it isnt necessary Jason is to blame.. the Kregens did not specifically point the finger on Jason.. Quote
*zeo Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 The damage was done to the Multi-verse, basically it's not something anyone in the WG universe would be aware of because what has been done is now a part of their universe. Jason is basically the nexus of a Time Paradox that radically altered the entire WG universe from the Time War event. Basically if you ever watched the movie The Sound of Thunder, then you'll have some idea how damaging a time paradox can be. The Kregens, being multi-dimensional beings are painfully aware of the damage caused by the paradox and see it as slowly spreading to effect the rest of the multi-verse like a cancer. The creation of Anubis being one of the examples of how these distortions are effecting other realities since Anubis was never suppose to happen. Which all means that because Jason is the Nexus of this, since he is the source of the Time Paradox, that in order to repair the damage the Kregen want Greg to deal with the problem at its source which is Jason. Because as long as he exist they can't repair the damage and return things to the way they are suppose to be. The Kregens only concern is the safety of the multi-verse, so even though restoring the original time line of the WG universe means the destruction of Earth and the Creators of that reality they would not hesitate to undo all the changes Jason's actions have caused. To them it is only one of many realities and the good of the many outweigh the good of the few or the one. Quote
W'Kar Posted August 16, 2007 Author Posted August 16, 2007 Yep, it's just one earth, one creator race, one universe. The Guyver Zoalord was supposed to destroy the planet and eliminate the creator race. Jason stopped that, and threw a wrech into the gears of the universe. Quote
Crom Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 You're sure it's not a predestination paradox, meaning it was supposed to happen? Quote
guyverfanatic Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 The damage was done to the Multi-verse, basically it's not something anyone in the WG universe would be aware of because what has been done is now a part of their universe. Jason is basically the nexus of a Time Paradox that radically altered the entire WG universe from the Time War event. Basically if you ever watched the movie The Sound of Thunder, then you'll have some idea how damaging a time paradox can be. The Kregens, being multi-dimensional beings are painfully aware of the damage caused by the paradox and see it as slowly spreading to effect the rest of the multi-verse like a cancer. The creation of Anubis being one of the examples of how these distortions are effecting other realities since Anubis was never suppose to happen. Which all means that because Jason is the Nexus of this, since he is the source of the Time Paradox, that in order to repair the damage the Kregen want Greg to deal with the problem at its source which is Jason. Because as long as he exist they can't repair the damage and return things to the way they are suppose to be. The Kregens only concern is the safety of the multi-verse, so even though restoring the original time line of the WG universe means the destruction of Earth and the Creators of that reality they would not hesitate to undo all the changes Jason's actions have caused. To them it is only one of many realities and the good of the many outweigh the good of the few or the one. Interesting... I hope Jason doesn't die. Quote
Spartan Warlord Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 I think jason will die but not right now...if anything he'll die saving the world right at the end...hes to good he'll have to see thing through right to the bitter end and die doing something fantastic...HOPEFULLY Quote
exscaped_pyscho Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 The Time War Paradox was saposed to happen. It's his demensional hoping, and future time paradoxes that the Kregen want stopped. But Jason doesn't need to be killed to stop these events, just remove the need for the paradoxes and then they won't happen. Greg's interpertation of his mission is to kill Jason, but it could be he's just there to lend a hand. Stopping Jason's need to break the rules. Quote
Spartan Warlord Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 they could have sent anyone to help jason un do what hes done...i think the only reason they chose W'kar is because he has the best chance to destory Jason Quote
Spartan Warlord Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 they could have sent anyone to help jason un do what hes done...i think the only reason they chose W'kar is because he has the best chance to destory Jason Quote
W'Kar Posted August 17, 2007 Author Posted August 17, 2007 That's what you get when you have a nutcase do your dirty work. But it's not like the Kregen would stop him. Killing Dreadnought certainly would stop any future problems Quote
guyverfanatic Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Surely there has to be a way to undo what Jason has done without killing him... Quote
W'Kar Posted August 17, 2007 Author Posted August 17, 2007 Well that's up to the story really... Quote
Spartan Warlord Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 for us that dont understand the space/time continum and stuff what is happing to the universe?...collapsing/merging something else really bad? Quote
W'Kar Posted August 17, 2007 Author Posted August 17, 2007 Think of the multiverse as an infinite set of parallel rivers flowing next to eachother. Now imagine one river suddenly had a huge freaking rock thrown into the middle of it. This effect threw water everywhere and diverted that river into making multiple branches across into many other rivers. Those rivers started getting far more water than they could handle and started leaking into other rivers and etc..etc...etc... Quote
Spartan Warlord Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 ahh so there all crossing over into one another..ahh that cant b soo bad eh? loool Quote
W'Kar Posted August 17, 2007 Author Posted August 17, 2007 That depends. We are talking flooding, new canals being made that will cross boundaries. Eventually some rivers will become so large that they will swallow other rivers to become one big river. Some may be blocked off entirely. Utter chaos. Entire universes will be destroyed or swallowed by others, some will cease to exist all together. Some will become so massive they cannot be contained, so on and so forth. Quote
Crom Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 That would be a nice end story, trying to save yourself and existence in the process. Quote
*zeo Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Surely there has to be a way to undo what Jason has done without killing him... Uh, nope, his very existence is a paradox. Consider, in the original time line the Guyver Zoalord destroyed the Earth and the Creators, along with who knows how much of the universe. Yet Jason came from a future time on a planet that would not have existed in the original time line. So it's a paradox within a paradox and Jason is the one linking it all together and maintaining it. If the original Time Line was restored Jason would cease to exist since he comes from the altered time line. Basically it's complicated but Jason's destiny is linked to the fate of the entire WG reality. Quote
guyverfanatic Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Surely there has to be a way to undo what Jason has done without killing him... Uh, nope, his very existence is a paradox. Consider, in the original time line the Guyver Zoalord destroyed the Earth and the Creators, along with who knows how much of the universe. Yet Jason came from a future time on a planet that would not have existed in the original time line. So it's a paradox within a paradox and Jason is the one linking it all together and maintaining it. If the original Time Line was restored Jason would cease to exist since he comes from the altered time line. Basically it's complicated but Jason's destiny is linked to the fate of the entire WG reality. That sucks. So he's gonna have to die eventually. Quote
Frost Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Well no matter how many times a character dies he always comes back it depends upon the writer.. How many times have Captain America died and come back? so no need to feel sad Besides the Matrix allows the bearer to go into alternate realities.. How many Matrixes are there? Quote
exscaped_pyscho Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 The Kregen don't want the Time War Paradox undone. If they did they would have interfeared in some maner when those events were taking place not millions of years later. The themselves said that that paradox is needed for Jason's universe to contiue. W'Kar's presence in that universe is to ensure that future paradoxes aren't created. The current level of interfearence needed is believed to be Dreadnought's destruction but I doubt that will accure. I believe that W'kar is there to stop the need for these future paradoxes. I know it seems that the Kregen want Jason dead. But I don't think that is what their motives are. In most story lines it is considered a bad ending for the hero to die. Very few story lines ever pull of the dead hero ending. Rather the story takes place in a book, fanfic, movie, or television show; It is a hard ending to make work. Look at Matrix Revolutions, it was a very bad ending what with Neo dieing and all (if he really died). There must be some situation or doubt in which the hero might still be alive for it to be considered a 'good' ending. Quote
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