Question on the guvyer bio-boosting plus other abilities?

[gelionlegends]

I'm not sure if this is the right place but my question is about when the unit bonds with the host it boosts and such like the strength up to 100 is that the max.

That and if a character say ranma 1/2 or dragonball who has something like strength of 2 or more men has the unit on them does it still go up to 100 and ignore the strength the person already has?

Or would the unit add 100 to the base level making it 102 same with the speed and durability would they stay the same as normal guyver levels or be added to.

Well these people aren't really the normal human like in the guyver as they can control their ki to enhance their bodies abilities like strength and speed as well as toughness and healing.

That and other energies the host can draw on before bonding to a unit would they be usable or boosted or not?

Would the unit still let the person use there ki to enhance themselves or would they have to rely on the units, as they would be able to boost the regeneration and healing factor.

Originally thought when the guyver bonded to a host it merged the bio boosting armour to the host and not have it like a second layer of skin?

Well those are really the questions i need answering the most as i'm sure i will think of something else i need to understand, though i am not sure if there is a thread that ha one or more of the question asked and answered?

[*zeo]

Okay, covering the basics the Guyver is a Bio-Booster Armor of alien design.

Essentially it is based on a parasitic organism that was tamed by the Creators.

In its original state it devours/absorbs other life forms and then mimics them.

The Creators took advantage of this ability, namely the ability to assimulate DNA and use it, and with the Control Medal they control how the organism bonds to the host.

For human's this results in the creation of the Guyver.

So the unit does merge with the host, regressing most organisms to remnants, boosting what remains while replacing (though I think it's altering) the heart and lungs to more powerful versions.

This all brings out the hidden potential of the host as the host is turned into a hybrid of the unit and the host.

Since the host is human this potential is the peak human potential times 100 fold.

We all basically have the same potential so though host can be different their peaks are close enough to each other so it isn't clear which is stronger.

For example when Sho became Guyver 1 he was basically just a normal teenager.

While Risker was a soldier being trained to become a Hyper Zoanoid, so he was clearly in better physical condition and was a full adult.

Yet when Risker became Guyver 2, aside from the fact he was clearly a better fighter than Sho, he never really over powered Sho during their battle.

Which shows the unit puts the host into peak and provides the same basic enhancements. Differing only in appearance and certain traits, like Guyver3 has two pairs of swords versus both G1 and G2 who only have one pair each.

Anyway, if the host is more powerful than a human the Guyver could potentially boost to greater levels but it depends on the potential of the host.

The Creators for example were only 1/10th the power of a Guyver with the unit.

So we can be sure something like a Guyver Zoanoid would be more powerful than a normal Guyver but we aren't sure by how much.

For Ranma, he is still human so aside from his anything goes martial arts he would be the same as Sho. Though the unit would most likely not help him with the 1/2 problem. But it could considering the Guyver body temperature is pretty high, at least while using the armor.

For Goku, he's not human so hard to say but chances are he would become more powerful because it wasn't just his Ki but also his body that got stronger over time.

Even as a Baby Goku had a power level of 5, though weak by Saiyan standards he had hidden potential just like Gohan.

If you recall, even back in the DragonBall series kid Goku was practically bullet proof, even when sleeping so it had nothing to do with his Ki.

Though we don't know how Ki would work with the Guyver Goku's stronger body should result in a more powerful Guyver and you can just add the Ki factor on top of that.

One benefit for sure would be Goku wouldn't get hungry while using the armor because the Guyver doesn't need to eat.

[gelionlegends]

thanks for that on the merger it's just some of the fanfics that have a guyver tend to have it as a suit or skin and doesn't really merge with the body which confuses me a bit.

so do you think a martial artist could be more powerful potential wise and from training compared to someone who doesn't push the limits and potential. like sho as he doesn't do much work out though lisker does as a soldier but still not like the DB or R_1/2 characters, then most of those fighting genres do have people pushing their limits and potential.

though using goku as an example is a bit unfair for normal humans but then it is the way the db universe works, but if krillen used it or teina the triclops were to use it would the normal stats or be boosted?

the thing with the ki well it was a thought as a ki user would have a much larger well or ki which in db is used to measure the fighting level and then potential.

but then the scan could be wrong on the potential limit.

if the use of ki or other such energies still worked and could be used to boost the guyver then most or the attacks would go up a bit in power depending on how much they have and how much they use.

that and from WG psionics work but unless the unit is tailored to use that potential it stays the same...... i think?

so then would a G-unit tailored to take advantage of a type of persons abilities like ki or other energy control and manipulations plus the physical and allow room for growth and or other changes?

now another question which has been banging around in my mind a bit now about the guyver symbiot would there be a problem if the host had another symbiot not another guyver unit but something else.

Like Fallah from Seven Star Fighting God Guyferd or marvel symbiot venom or such.

like would they not do anything to one another and still do what they had been created for. or try and merge or absorb the other. or just plain destroy the other?

it's just a thought on someone having a symbiot before getting a g-unit and would there be a positive or negative side effect getting a boost or change in the symbiots or loosing one or the other or both.

[Juggernought]

Having a host who is more capable of fighting would make him a more deadly guyver but not necessarily more powerful. He would know how to use the guyver's weapons to the best effect and especially when the opportunity is open to him/her, not just based on instinct or blind luck.

I believe a guyver's merging is more on the physical level, if the host has any latent abilities...such as telekinesis or the ki type abilities in DBZ they would definately still have them but perhaps in a more focused and powerful form since the host bodies have been modified to their full potential.

My guess is that having a venom type symbiot on a host and with the guyver trying to bond with the same host would cause a conflict. They would try to destroy one another, and i believe the guyver organism would win, but at the same time probably take on more of the characteristics of the venom suit, maybe even giving the guyver shapeshifting abilities who knows. Think of that scenario much like our bodies that are host to symbiotic bacteria that eliminates any other that tries to use us as a host. Depending on which is stronger we either get sick or stay healthy. Its also like getting the chicken pox, once you've had it you are immune because your body still carries the virus but has transformed it into a more protective barrier against further infection.

[gelionlegends]

thanks zeo1234 and juggernaut your replies help me think a lot on that.

hmm so i know this may sound like i am doing the question again but if the symbiot venom type was not as aggressive like toxin i think would it try to not be the dominant.

then is there a chance if the guyver symbiot absorbing the other essential destroying could it add and/or use the abilities like the liquid like form to its own. create weapons like the venom type does with the vibrational sword edge. or with the mega smasher and other energy weapons move them around the body and no need for the chest to open.

then would it fix the weakness in the control medal, like make it harder to grab or easier to repair if damaged, then would the weakness to fire and sound be negated as the guyver wouldn't want that or would it be slightly affected. or would this only happen if the unit medal was damaged or the symbiot venom type was badly injured?

i may sound like me rephrasing the question from my earlier post but who would do better in a fight with one another a soldier boosted or a martial artist, without knowing the weapons before hand of the guyver.

and then with or would it depend on the experience and willingness to use lethal force.

could someone boil down what each weapon of the basic standard guyver does and the effect on what it hits like the mega smasher i know uses a particle beam to vaporise whats in the way of the beam using particles moving really, really fast near the speed of light and kinetic energy transfered to whats in the way speeding up the atoms in the molecules heating it up and then exploding.

like the vibrational swords and the sonic emitters one vibrates to cut through the bonds of molecules that make an object? the other vibrates the molecules or atoms of the target?

the infrared laser is that a burning light that uses heat to cut and pierce the target or am i wrong.

the pressure cannon when it hits does it release the energy or does it holding and plows through whats in its way.

then what sort of weapons are better like is a charge particle beam better than just a particle beam, whats the difference or is there one.

is plasma better than a laser or just as good , like plasma exploding on contact that is sometimes shown or causing the target area hit to explode or is the piercing and cutting with the laser.

or would another energy weapon be better?

with the swords would a sound emitter set to disrupt molecules or atoms be more dangerous, or just a energy field instead of a solid blade.

[Juggernought]

A regular unit isn't self evolving unless acted upon by external stimulation (mark II upgrade for example). If it was to take on any characteristics of the symbiot then that symbiot would have to be permanently bonded to the host essentially making them one being instead of two. Otherwise there would be that conflict of control over the host body. It also cannot repair its own control medal, only warrior units have that ability.

As for who would win between the soldier and the martial artist...perhaps the martial artist would excel at hand to hand combat and the soldier would try to find ways of attacking from a distance at first. So either way they'd both figure out the guyver's weapons and it will come down to their aggressiveness, determination and will to win. A good example is the fight between Nova Blaze and Warrior Guyver 2. A warrior guyver easily overpowers but Nova Blaze was a shaolin master and easily beat him in hand to hand tactics, WG2 had to resort to fire power, teleportation and his unlimited stamina and shielding to win.

Read the datafile for a regular guyver in the datafile sections of the site. It tells you all their abilities in detail.

swords designed to cut through anything not on par with its vibrational frequency.

head laser uses access body heat a weaker weapon but can cut through steel non the less.

pressure cannon focuses gravitational energy and transfers it kinetically, effects are similar to armor piercing round, small entry but devastates the target once it punches through and out the other side.

Plasma is more precise i believe and is comparable to being like a surgical laser that focuses on a single point in order to have more effect(focusing on a single point on a shield could weaken and break it rather than trying to overpower the whole thing), the mega smasher utilizes bio-energy so you have more of a heat compound to it and focuses mainly on overwhelming power.

[gelionlegends]

thanks that does clear up some of my thoughts though i do wonder about the properties of the Venom symbiot as it could heal itself and it doesn't have a central node but maybe many. that is why i thought it would do the same with the guyver unit control medal so if there would be more than one while the one on the forehead would just be a fake as it would be part of a greater whole.

all these little processors would still be equal to on c-medal just that it would not be all in one place.

so unless it is under strange circumstances like being damaged and near a matrix or if the g-unit is a WG or something else there would be a very low chance of something new resulting.

i really need an in-depth summery about the weapons that was why i asked as it left you having to look for what the energies did in weapons use or theories about it.

on the swords it was something i thought about like it pulling matter of a target like the necrons from 40k gauss flayer. though maybe it used as a beam weapon instead of on a sword would do?

though that is more likely on a wg or advanced guyver to have a energy flaying weapon.

that why i said the laser was more a piercing and cutting while the plasma just pierced through a target, though both are very hot.

i do wonder what sort of energy would continue to eat away at the target, like in doom movie the Bio force gun discharge continued to do damage to the area hit not sure if there was splashing as well.

though maybe that was caused by the heat of the energy, just if a guyver had that type of weapon would it have replaced one or two others like the head infrared laser or be extra.

maybe a project tile that stopped or froze molecules a molecular inhibitor, would that be more of a zoanoid weapon meaning they created.

same with a wide-spectrum catalyst that cause complex organic molecular bonds to break down or other matiral to under go some type of mutation.

as either used on a human, guyver or zoanoid would be highly dangerous and damaging.

[Aranor]

I would agree with Juggernought and read the datafiles. They really are quite impressive.

The venom symbiot is not necessarily a multitude of processors but rather a liquid organism. Just like our blood. No processors needed yet it can repair ou bodies with the proper nutrients. Seeing as how the Guyver needs to make its way into the host brain, should the host have the venom symbiot this would be rejecting the impant thus causing the unit to classify it as non compatable. No bonding. On the other hand, should the symbiot realise the potential power at hand and allow the unit to bond with the host. That would make for a rather deadly being.

As for the multiple processors, check out the 95157 data file and fic in the writers section. I am working on that concept.

[McAvoy]

Well considering that Venom himself has a strength range between a hyper zoanoid to a Guyver, it would make Guyver Venom very powerful.

[Kamui de' Tempest]

I don't know....the Symbionts are a parasitic lifeform. Like bacteria or some other single celled organism but on a much grander scale and if i'm right. when a regular guyvers bonds with a host it doesn't get rid of the parasites already in the body right? even still, Carange is another good example. Kletus and the alien have merged, the alien now resides in his blood. Would a guyver shunt the alien and thus his blood out. I think the guyver might selectively do something of this level. Weeding what may pose an issue out and leaving the benificial parasites intact. I mean after all, if not then all the Guyver hosts would need to get thier immunizations all over again when human right?

[Aranor]

The Venom symbiot, I am not sure where it goes. Carnage had been stated as bonded within Kletus's blood. My point was when the symbiot is donned the Guyver might have a hard time making the link. I am sure the symbiot would make itself visible upon such a threat. Unless the host knew what the guyver unit was and informed the symbiot to accept it.

On the other hand I would think the guyver unit would rid the body of any unnecessary parasites when it scans the host and reads the DNA. Otherwise one might end up with tape worms for the rest of their immortal life. Wow.....that could suck.

[gelionlegends]

thanks for that you lot that does help though for a one off it would be interesting to see how such a creature that was once a guyver and venom type symbiots bonded to a human would be like?

maybe like the zygote with it dominating the host in some place or like something else plus what its powers be like.

that is if it wasn't mk2 upgrade on the guyver then it wouldn't have athe limit on stamina i think.

but now another question underworld had that virus that caused a mutantion granting for a price enhanced physical abilities and life span but for one can't go into sun light and the other has to watch out for silver.

both need blood and then you get hybirds. my question is obvious in that would the g-unit correct the weakness, leave it alone or remove the virus.

if it didn't remove the virus or it did removed the weakness would it enhance the abilities in armoured form or not?

it just a thought that came to me after the writing about carnage being in the blood, so what would happen with a virus that gave positive to the body as well as the down sides.

[*zeo]

It would be the same as with a Zoanoid.

Zoaforms are created by bio-engineering humans. This is accomplished with retro-viruses and such.

Not to mention the human body already has a large assortment of bacteria and symbiotic life forms in our body that the Guyver assimulated along with the host.

So the Underworld Lycans and Vamps would be just Guyver versions of those beings.

The effect of the armor though is primarily in armored form so they would remain the same but in armored form they would be enhanced and there normal weaknesses would not effect the Guyver.

Also Guyvers don't need to eat in armored form so they could keep going almost indefinitely.

[gelionlegends]

so what you are saying is that the underworld lychans, vampires, corvenus and the hybird forms would be considered a zoanoid so wouldn't it be like a zoanoid wearing the guyver making the host more powerful than a standard guyver?

[*zeo]

Yes, but how much would depend on the potential of the Host.

[gelionlegends]

thats interesting as the hybrid form of either two strains makes them high in regeneration to the point of having the heart destroyed and still coming back to life near a guyver or zoanoid level regeneration to those that have it.

or all three strains though what that form would look like or its powers are unknown even with the two strains, though considering it has all three it could top the two strain ones.

with it being onded with a guyver after looking at whats been said and thinking about it i would probably say that this guyver underworld would rank either under, equal or slightly above the zoanoid guyver. though with the different units about and depending if the user was one strain or two and then all three would also be a deciding fact i think.

then with the vampire hybrid he had wings so would they appear in his guyver form like how he could retract them or would he have to have them out before calling the armour. then what would the wings gain from the armour?

[*zeo]

I would say about equal to a Guyver Zoanoid.

They had zoanoid level strength and speed but not zoanoid level durability.

Many zoanoids are virtually bullet proof for example, but then again most of them don't rely on regeneration. So it evens out.

The Guyver adapts itself to the host as well as adapt the host to it.

So any special abilities the host has would be added and/or enhanced by the Unit.

The host is the model for the Guyver form after all.

Otherwise it wouldn't stop at altering the host internal structure and would have added other enhancements like 4 arms, etc.

So if the host is a shapeshifter then the armor would also aquire that ability, except for the CM of course since it is the one part of the Guyver that can never change.