Acear Bonding

[Shenzon]

They merge, Shenzon. Completely and totally. Ya might as well have a 12 foot guy standing next to you. Well, short of organs and such.

That's what I thought. Thanks W'Kar. What's your take on all this surrounding the Giant Unit?

[W'Kar]

Personally I don't see it being a problem having the Aceaer wrap around the guyver. After all we saw it's shapeshifting qualities with Faye and the Warrior Guyvers.

The Giant Unit very well could mold completely around the host and manuever. And I doubt the host guyver body is much of a problem with agility. For something to be able to regenerate a complete body from little more than a severed arm I don't see making the host body bend a little bit being a problem.

Besides, Giant is a test unit. I reiterate the word, TEST.

As we well know, not all tests went well. Take Guyver Supreme and Guyver 0 for example. One went rogue, the other could barely fight for long before tiring out and having to rest in a Bio-Tube for a long time.

But the tests are there for a reason. Namely testing.

[Juggernought]

My original thought on how the Giant unit worked was that in seeing it was much bigger than the average user and doesnt boost the user to giant size it would instead just interpret the user's consciousness if he wanted to move his arms, legs or sit. The host doesn't have to physically do anything but just think about it and the unit acts as an extension of his mind and body, with no differential between the unit and the host body.

[*zeo]

That is essentially correct Juggernaut. The pilot doesn't move, the armor does.

And Yup, a very good point Allen. The Giant is a Test Unit.

I guess the only person who can really answer all this, would be the one who came up with the idea of having the Giant Unit within the story. I'm guessing that would be Matt B or Sully.

What am I chop liver?

I'm a co-writer of the WG fan fiction, on the main site page you will see my name listed as "James".

In fact I do most of the final editing on the fics before they get posted except for Allen's. And I'm the Creator and writer of the Cyber Guyver.

Not to mention I'm the one who does most of the Data Files.

So it's basically my job to know what I'm talking about with the Guyver and the fan made creations.

I'd be fired if I got details like that wrong

[W'Kar]

Aww, it's okay James. The psychologist will help deal with your feelings of rejection.

[*zeo]

Aaaaahhh, Allen wants my job, Aaaaaaah!!!

(Secretly booby traps the data files to auto erase if over ride not entered every day and only I knows the code)

(Tells psychologist that he is not paranoid) :apt:

[McAvoy]

The way I saw it was that the Giant unit had that Control Medal ring, that may have given it Guyver like qualities, but not a full blown out Guyver unit. Basically a Gigantic Aceaer type of unit. It would have partially merged with the host unit, like pulling out the limbs, or stretching the host unit as opposed to fully merging with the host unit. Which would have made the unit far harder to pass along like an Aceaer unit.

Sort of like the Hyper Aceaer unit.

[W'Kar]

Yep, again another test unit. The Hyper Aceaer would bond with guyver units it was activated on, and it failed to return back to creator hands.

In other words, a test. A failed test.

Who knows what effects may befall some of the other test units.

[Juggernought]

Wasn't that because it was trying to merge with the grakken and something got damaged?

[Shenzon]

What am I chop liver?

I'm a co-writer of the WG fan fiction, on the main site page you will see my name listed as "James".

My apologies Zeo1234, I only know you as Zeo1234. I have read your Cyber Guyver story a few times and love it! I just didn't know it was you.

McAvoy, what you said is exactly what I mean by boost. I'm probably saying it wrong by saying boost, but that is what I meant. Changing the hosts body in any way, like stretching the limbs. That's probably how I should've worded it Zeo1234 instead of boosting.

[McAvoy]

Wasn't that because it was trying to merge with the grakken and something got damaged?

It's been a while since I read that story, so i might be wrong. But it merged with the Grakken which caused it to kill the Grakken causing it to become the Crimson unit.

[Shenzon]

Could it have been designed to do that by the Creators in case the Grakken ever got hold of it?

[McAvoy]

No. The Hyper Aceaer unit was a test unit and it failed. All the Hyper Aceaer is, is a regular Aceaer unit merged with a standard Kavzar control crystal. Which means this Aceaer unit actually does merge with the host unit more than the normal Aceaer unit. If you re-read the datafile, because of the control crystal, it takes five minutes for the Hyper Aceaer unit to remove itself from the host.

I think it was the combination of the control crystal and the Grakken three layered control medal that caused it to merge with the Grakken unit.

Incidently, I just thought of something. Is it possible that the Grakkens somehow got a hold of their version of a Gigantic unit which explains the near-Gigantic likeness? They just simply copied many of the systems, and possibly they couldn't copy the shields and power boost. I wonder if the Grakken can merge with a Gigantic unit.

[Juggernought]

It probably wasn't made to bond with a host already equipped with a unit, just a more advanced version of the regular acear and thus better able to quickly upgrade to kavzar status. In case of deactivation it was meant to return to the creators which it probably would have done so if the Grakken hadn't activated it. That built in system was probably deactivated and became rogue once it took on some unexpected characteristics of the grakken unit. Much like the kavzar process, it absorbed many of the grakkens unit and enhanced itself.

[*zeo]

Basically the Giant unit was given the CM ring only so it could interface with a Warrior Guyver in order to activate its specialized weapon systems.

Remember the Guy who had the unit before Max never activated those hidden features.

Unlike Hyper (btw very good Juggernaut) it was never intended to bond in any way.

It was only ever called a Guyver because the people who found it didn't know what else it could be.

The CM ring was intentionally meant to be confusing because we didn't want to reveal that it was made to work with a Warrior Unit until Max did it.

But that's over and done with.

[W'Kar]

Incidently, I just thought of something. Is it possible that the Grakkens somehow got a hold of their version of a Gigantic unit which explains the near-Gigantic likeness? They just simply copied many of the systems, and possibly they couldn't copy the shields and power boost. I wonder if the Grakken can merge with a Gigantic unit.

Or maybe the hosts themselves are freaking huge?

[Shenzon]

Incidently, I just thought of something. Is it possible that the Grakkens somehow got a hold of their version of a Gigantic unit which explains the near-Gigantic likeness? They just simply copied many of the systems, and possibly they couldn't copy the shields and power boost. I wonder if the Grakken can merge with a Gigantic unit.

Or maybe the hosts themselves are freaking huge?

[WarriorZoalord]

It probably wasn't made to bond with a host already equipped with a unit, just a more advanced version of the regular acear and thus better able to quickly upgrade to kavzar status. In case of deactivation it was meant to return to the creators which it probably would have done so if the Grakken hadn't activated it. That built in system was probably deactivated and became rogue once it took on some unexpected characteristics of the grakken unit. Much like the kavzar process, it absorbed many of the grakkens unit and enhanced itself.

Actually, the hyper aceaer unit was active and tested itself against Angel, though she beat the crap out of him, and when the unit pulled itself off the dead unit, it didnt return to the creators like it's supposed to on its hosts death. that was part one of the failure...

part two was the fact that like all aceaer armors it should beable to enhance a normal unit, as im sure, if the hyper aceaer worked, we would stop seeing normal aceaers in the creator army, and they would use them to enhance themselves like they did when they came to earth to learn about chronos. The second glitch happened when it tried to merge with the grakken when it activated it, but apparently the merging process with a unit wasnt perfected, OR there was a hidden programming to counter bonding with a grakken, either way, the two merged and it turned into the crimson unit.

[Juggernought]

I believe the hyper acear tries to behave more like the guyver unit. Those control crystals bonds the unit to the host that much more and effects are like a guyver bio-boosted human. And really once you are a guyver you can't equip another. So when it tried bonding with the grakken there was a unit conflict as the grakken already had one. As for not returning to the creators upon the hosts death, could it be that it was damaged from one of Angel's attacks or possibly it was unable to really disengage from the dead host properly which caused some kind of fault in the removal procedure sending a backlash to the unit.?

[*zeo]

Let me just point out that a Grakken doesn't have a normal Guyver Unit.

Their unit's were created by the Grakkens using Creator technology.

They didn't just use standard Guyver Units.

So though similar they are different and that could well have been enough to cause incompatability with the Hyper Aceaer that combined with it's already malfunctioning systems created the mutation we now see.

[WarriorZoalord]

So basically, if it had been working right ,there's a possibility that the hyper aceaer might have increased the grakkens power, or might have just slid off him and gone dormant again cause the tech difference.

[*zeo]

Yes, basically the Unit couldn't tell where the Grakken Unit ended and the host began since a Grakken can essentially stay armored perminently.

Which confused an already malfunctioning Aceaer Unit.

There is also the possibility that the Grakken Armor had some failsafes against Creator tech tampering which could have backfired.

[W'Kar]

Yep, essentially the Crimson Unit is a partial bonding Aceaer with bit's and piece's of Grakken tech in it. Which is why Crimson can activate and utilize Grakken Technology while other guyvers have either a difficult time, or can't at all.

[WarriorZoalord]

I wonder what he'd look like in Grakken Destroyer armor.... Someones gotta make a pic!!!

[Juggernought]

Probably somewhat similar to how an acear bonds with a warrior unit. Some parts attaches itself to the unit and other merely merge and enhance some of the unit's current systems.