Marvel Characters vs. the Guyvers

[Weltall2]

How would the various guyvers match up aganist the marvel characters?

I have been toying with this idea for quite some time.

Here are some of my match ups

Thor Vs. Dreadnought= Dready wins

Hulk Vs. Zeus= Zeus wins

Adam Warlock vs. Guardian= Guardian wins

I could have read this wrong but I don't see the marvel heroes beating guyvers apropriate to their power class.

Am I wrong.

On second thought

A Celestial vs. Dreadnought= possible draw/win for the celestial

Zeus Vs. Thanos= Thanos wins

[Shenzon]

Sounds like your right to me. I would love to see the Warrior Guyver's against the Dragonball Z characters!!

[Tyranthrax]

I'm actually not sure about a battle against Hulk. The angrier he becomes the stronger he grows; hell, I've heard before that he once managed to hold up a mountain while 'calm', which I'd say is a good deal more than even a Power-Boosted Dreadnought could lift with physical strength alone.

Or how about She-Hulk. She managed to lift a 100-ton weight, with ONE arm, AND while wearing an outfit that made her WEAKER.

Their ability to regenerate from damage is insane, not to mention I'm sure it would be ridiculously hard to wound them in the first place.

Zeus would have to pull out ALL the stops to stand a chance. In my opinion, at least.

[*zeo]

Yes, the Hulk has a good chance of winning with near limitless strength, with a Zeus pancake stomping. But it'll be a good fight.

And Thor is physically stronger than Dreadnought and his Hammer can potentially shatter his CM. Though Dread would most likely win it would not be without risks.

And Adam Warlock's Soul Gem should not be underestimates since we don't know how it would effect a Guyver. And we can't be sure if the Guyver can keep track of him. Since even someone possessing the infinite gauntlet with cosmic awareness could not track him. But otherwise he's hosed

Zeus vs Thanos, yup Thanos is a lot more powerful than he use to be. He could possibly even take on Dreadnought now.

[McAvoy]

When it comes to Thor, just like Superman there are so many versions of him. Varying from what we know all the way to being practically God. Using the Thor we know, yes Dreadnought would have a real fight on his hands.

Zues would get his ass handed to him by the Hulk. Remember it's been stated many times before (excluding the movie) that the Hulk is physically stronger than Superman. One of the few charatcers that can actually hurt Superman. Though all Zues has to do is teleport constantly until Hulk gets calmer.

[Juggernought]

Though all Zues has to do is teleport constantly until Hulk gets calmer.

If you were pissed off at someone and tried hitting that person only to have that person constantly evading your attack would only increase your anger and frustration. Hulks case i think he'd blow his top in my opinion.

[Tyranthrax]

Though all Zues has to do is teleport constantly until Hulk gets calmer.

If you were pissed off at someone and tried hitting that person only to have that person constantly evading your attack would only increase your anger and frustration. Hulks case i think he'd blow his top in my opinion.

XD I too doubt constantly avoiding him would make Hulk happy. >_> Instead, make Hulk mad, Hulk strong, Hulk smash.

[largo]

Hey haven't we done this before?

[Aranor]

How about pitting the current Ironman against someone. With the Extremsi virus his entire body is one nerual network connecting him with his armor. The S.K.I.N. portion of the armor is stored within the hollow of his bones so if you were to damage the platings he would still have that, regardless of the damage you do to it. it is liquid and will reshape. His body heals faster than Wolverines. He is capable of remotely connecting himself with near any electrical device thus if he were able to crack the coding within a CM he could access that, or those, and wreap holy havoc on his apponent/s (Imagine he making you play pogo while he's ripping out your CM and you don't realise it). His array of weaponry while not as strong as the Guyver universe is definitely nothing to laugh at.

Hmm, might be interesting to see an IronGuyver fanfic.

[*zeo]

Unless of course the CM hacks IronMan first

Like didn't Tony get hacked by the son of the man who Helped him built the first Armor?

But Yeah, an IronGuyver Fanfic would be cool.

[Aranor]

Yes, but if I recall the device had been laying dormant in his head the entire time he has been IronMan.

He did hack the alien technology of Ultraman to control him when he grew to be well over a hundred feet tall. Resulted in Ultraman being dissassembled.

[*zeo]

Yeah but the CM is a lot more advance than anything IronMan has ever encountered before.

[Aranor]

Not necessarily. As I stated he was able to hack into Ultimo. An alien robot capable of growing to massive sizes. An alien technology long dead for a number of millenium. With his current form once he finds the function of a signal he can use as a rosetta stone working his way further. Granted a guyver will be moving about pretty quick however as shown recently he was capable of fighting Crimson Dynamo while keeping track of a number of systems and bidding on a medieval breast plate up for auction. He has shown in the past the ability to cloak himself, teleport, create energy based shield which in turn can be used as a magnet (Obviously not effective against biological armor) I think putting him up against a Mark I or Mark II guyver he would stand his ground against it. Against W'Kar or something of the sort I am not so sure as I am not sure of their strength level. Ironmans is class 80 before Extremis enhancement. If it gave the other guy exceptional strength and speed perhaps it affected him in the same way. As his armor enhances the strength as a guyver unit does he could easily be over class 100. (Lifting in excess of 100 tons.)

[Kamui de' Tempest]

Iron Man can only reach the +100 class if properly supplied with energy. Without it he rates as around a 90 class. Click here to see what I'm saying. http://www.marveldatabase.com/Iron_Man_(Tony_Stark)

And also, the liquid like under suit he wears in the armor isn't SKIN as SKIN is succeptable to Ultron, which is why he abandoned that armor design and opted for the Tin Man Armor afterwards. It is in fact the actual undersheath that has been supercompressed and stored in the hollows of his bones (as stated in Iron Man vol4 #5 pt.5 of 6 of the Extremis 6 parter and also stated at this web link http://www.marveldatabase.com/S.K.I.N._Armor).

I really don't see the Guyver having much of a tough time with Tony. Granted, Tony is almost Omnipotent when it comes to manipulating the Infosphere(for lack of a better word), but the Guyver doesn't run by electronics, radio wave, or satelite linkage. If it was Cyber Guyver then there would be contention, but the regular Unit G is pretty much thought run'd. Even the way they communicate with each other through the organisms on there back is purely telepathic, again no short rf burst or UHF transmissions.... just thought. There's no real way for Tony to gain access to the CM without being telepathic instead of being technopathic.

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Wolverine_(James_Howlett)

(here's alittle look at Wovies abilities. Someone should come up with a wiki for the guyver like this )

And as far as the Wolverine vs. Iron Man regeneration. In the Civil War story line, Wolvie was blasted by Nitro to such a degree that he had now muscle, neverous, or epidermal system left. All that remained was his skeleton, his eye's (not really sure how they survived), and his brain. Inside of a hour or two he regrew his ENTIRE body. That's very impressive even by Guyver standards. Full regrowth from a CM takes up and over 11 hours, Wolvie did it in +2. Iron Man made a comment (more of a challenge) to Wolvie to see who healed faster, but never made good on it( also in the Civil War arc). Don't get me wrong... I love everything Marvel and I'm not biased either way, they are both charecters I have come to enjoy quite thuroughly, But in all fairness in a Guyver vs Iron Man... I'd have to say that the Guyver wins ( it might be a good fight, but the Guyver has it. If it was a protracted battle and the Guyver didn't use Megasmasher after activating the Blast Shield in close proximity it might be different.) And a healing contest between Wolverine and Iron Man... well my monies on the Old Man, Bub.

[*zeo]

The Regeneration from the CM only took 11 hours before it started, once it started it only took minutes for the CM to regenerate the Whole Body!

And as you pointed out Wolverine had a lot more than a CM to work with.

And we can be pretty sure the CM is more advance than Ultimo. Besides the Gigantic can grow to Giant size too.

The main thing is a Guyver's strength maxes out at about 40 tons. But then again the Gigantic is 20x more powerful. So if IronMan amps up so can the Guyver.

[Kamui de' Tempest]

Yeah, Wolverine had alot more to work with... a brain and some eye's. Funtionaly speaking that does the same as the CM, but in terms of mass he had alot more cells to start with. The only way I could see Iron Man really standing a chance at a Guyver is if he was able to get his hands on some Shiar tech or maybe get infected with the Technark or Phallanx techno/transmode virus. A deeper leve of integration is needed between man and machine for it to compare against the sophistication of a bio mechanical unit like the Guyver.

[Aranor]

Granted the human guyver link is telepathic however we do not know what means of operation is within the CM. Seeing as how it is the only part of a guyver not organic I would have to think it operates on some sort of electrical signaling within. Once the guyver is donned is operates by means of the neural wiring drilled into the hosts brain. Brain operates on electrical signals. Granted Tony can not control a human mind however if he could hack into the CM he should be able to.

Tony's profile says he can store the inner layers of his armor within the hollow of his bones. It doesn state whether it is SKIN technology or not. Being liquid I can only compare it as such which makes me think any damage done to it could be reconfigured. In a sense mechanical healing.

The fact that Ultimo can grow is similar to the gigantic was what I was getting at. I was also trying to state that he is capable of taking a programming system completely foreign to him and his world and find a means to understand it. And this was pre-Extremis.

Tony is constantly consuming energy via solar converters, beta particle powered generators (Not sure what exactly that is) and energy absorbtion. He showed this absorbing fire threatening the passengers in a car just before injecting the Extremis.

His unibeam while not as powerful as a Mega smasher is more versatile as he can use it more than once. Should a guyver use their mega smasher is usually leaves them pretty much drained.

In his recent fight with Crimson Dynamo he showed the ability to calculate and compensate for different forms of energy blasts within microseconds. While performing numerous other tasks. Should he focus solely on one thing I would find him to be a most formidable foe.

[Kamui de' Tempest]

All valid points. I believe the CM works or is empowered by nueral impulses. Which is why it needs a host with a brain to function as a deviece. No brain and the unit reverts to a dormant non operating dormant state. This leads me to believe that the CM works interacting with the host nueral impulses to transmit and recieve data toa and from the unit to cm to host and vice a versa. To has shown a great aptitude for understanding and manipulating all forms of programming but has yet shown the ability to "hack" the worlds most sophisticated piece of computing hardware... the human brain. I'm thinking Tony has got the programing thing down, but with out an access point to the prgraming he's as a baseball player in the stands. He can't do squat with it. Remember, all these things you speak of Tony doing remotely is all due to the fact that what he is interacting with transmited and recieved data. The Guyver neither transmits or recieves anything. It's all one unit. There is no need for any signals to be broadcasted becuase the Unit is directly controlled by host nueral impulses. Not only that but the unit backs up the host mind from and up to the point of death effectively becoming a second primitive type brain until the host brain regenerates.

Here are some links that might further illustrate some of my points about Iron Man and wolverine's healing ability:

These are Tony speaking about his under sheath:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Mathyus_Cyryus/im-05-018.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Mathyus_Cyryus/im-05-019.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Mathyus_Cyryus/im-05-020.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Mathyus_Cyryus/im-05-022.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Mathyus_Cyryus/im-05-023.jpg

This goes to show that Tony needs a communication system setup to interact with whatever Technology. No form of communication, no form of interaction. I mean, you don't see him calling her on her watch. Why? Cause there's no way to connect to the watch. No way to transmit data to it or recieve data from it. Now if he was aboard a Relic while the Guyver was piloting it that might be different. But then again, the Relic is also alive so thats something to think about to, just as the Guyver armor is alive. He doesn't have technokinesis or is he technopathic. He is now in a sense a really powerful SATCOM system. He can mentally jack in to WAN networks and other forms of wireless communication. Case in point, if he jack into any programming why didn't he just take control of the Crimson Dynamo's armor? (good issue by the way. I like the way he makes a smart remark about winning the bid on that antiquity peice). Even his profile on Marveldatabas.com goes as far to say that it's wireless communication systems he has access to.

These next 5 are in order as they appear in the comic to show just how bad@$$ Wolverine is:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Mathyus_Cyryus/Wolverine48-008.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Mathyus_Cyryus/Wolverine48-009-010.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Mathyus_Cyryus/Wolverine48-011.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Mathyus_Cyryus/Wolverine48-012.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Mathyus_Cyryus/Wolverine48-013-014.jpg

Here the pics speak for themselves.

[Aranor]

I'm not saying Wolverine is not a badass, just saying with the Extremis Tony may be able to heal as fast. We don't know. The challenge between the two was interupted by Tony getting slapped in the face.

Ok, hacking aside, what are the strengths of a guyver unit versus Ironman armor. let us say both are fully charged.

Strength:

Guyver strength = human X 100. Average strength of human, let us say is lifting 200lbs over their head (Though marvel suggests 800) 200 lbs X 100 = 20000 (10 tons) (Class ten strength for marvel)

Ironman = Class 80+ (80 tons +)

Speed:

Guyver " " Carl Louis ran at 32 mph briefly. Average human speed is around 18mph sprinting (Guessing that might be high) 18 X 100 = 1800mph land speed. (Seems a bit off from most fan fics)

Ironman....Can't seem to find a definitive speed. (The other guy injected with Extremis was capable of running a couple hundred mph, as stated before not sure if Tony's gives him the same strengths along with neural linking with the armor.)

Weapons:

Guyver - vibration blades, head laser, sonic emiters, gravity control orbs, mega smasher.

Ironman - repulsor beams, missiles, teleportation, cloaking, unibeam, boot jets, energy blades, energy shields (both used during battle with Ultron controlling sentient armor and sending the sons of Yinsen to fight him),

The guyver may have Tony in speed but with teleportation, energy shields and 8X the strength. I still say it would be a good fight.

[Kamui de' Tempest]

By no means am I implying that it wouldn't be a good fight. I do think it would. I just think that without some form of communique between Guyver CM and Tony, it'll be hard for him to get inside so to speak. Besides that, it'll be a good 'ol brawl. Remember, Iron Man's armor is composed of crystalized iron and other metal segments held together in magnetic fields. The pressure cannon might play alitlle havoc on those fields given it's miniature (gravity) singularity properties. Also the energy blades you speak of were in past itterations of Tony's armor. The current arsenal as per the database is as follows, but is not to say as vol4 goes on he won't update it as he is so prone to doing:

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Iron_Man_(Tony_Stark)

[Aranor]

It sill shows the shields, I don't see why they could be reconfigued as blades. That site also says nothing about Extremis enhancement thus it has outdated data.

[Kamui de' Tempest]

It does here I'll show you:

Direct Cybernetic Interface: Extremis has fused Stark's armor to his body, allowing him to store the inner layers of the Iron Man armor in the hollows of his bones as well as control it through direct brain impulses. He has direct control over the communication devices, scanning equipment, and recording devices located in his helmet.

Wireless Communication: He is also able to remotely connect to external communications systems such as satellites, cellular phones, and computers throughout the world.

Improved Response Time: Because the armor's operating system is now directly connected to Stark's nervous system, its response time has been significantly improved.

Superhuman Reflexes: The Extremis armor grants him superspeed reactions

Regenerative Systems: ability to heal himself and repair the armor

All of these abilities were brought on by the Extremis not the armor. It should be noted that Extremis a procedure that brought these abilities on, not an armor. The armor specs can be found below.

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Extremis_Armor

[*zeo]

Granted the human guyver link is telepathic however we do not know what means of operation is within the CM. Seeing as how it is the only part of a guyver not organic I would have to think it operates on some sort of electrical signaling within.

We don't really know what the CM is made of, it is only called a metal because it looks metallic but there are non-metal elements that look metallic as well.

Also in the live action movie, though not cannonical it still had Takaya giving his opinions to the writers, the Chronos Scientist said the CM was made of both organic and inorganic elements.

What we do know is the CM is made up of different components, which includes crystals which allow it to communicate through the boost dimension.

Once the guyver is donned is operates by means of the neural wiring drilled into the hosts brain. Brain operates on electrical signals. Granted Tony can not control a human mind however if he could hack into the CM he should be able to.

Unless the CM is a brain upon itself, remember even if the host brain is ripped out the Unit will continue to function to defend itself. There is also the Guyver Organism which may contain its own level of intelligence.

Also just like Stark's technology the CM is augmented by the host brain as well, which is what allows it to recognize friend from foe and do things like vaporize a bullet before it hits Tetsuro.

Tony's profile says he can store the inner layers of his armor within the hollow of his bones. It doesn state whether it is SKIN technology or not.

Because that is self evident, it's an example of nanite technology. It just appears like liquid but it is actually millions of tiny machines which is how it can regenerate him so quickly as they re-assemble him at a molecular level.

The fact that Ultimo can grow is similar to the gigantic was what I was getting at. I was also trying to state that he is capable of taking a programming system completely foreign to him and his world and find a means to understand it. And this was pre-Extremis.

But the CM is based on organic technology, unlike Ultimo who was ultimately just a robot. The Guyver is alive, even without its host.

Should a guyver use their mega smasher is usually leaves them pretty much drained.

It's a hell of a lot more powerful than any of IronMan's weapons. And the Guyver can choose to use one cell at a time so can fire up to twice.

Though the one time limit was mainly introduced in the new anime series as previously it was linked to the Guyver's general energy level, but in either case the Guyver can recharge as well, since it is constantly drawing energy from the boost dimension, and only needs some time before they can fire the Smashers again.

Sooner if they only fired one Smasher.

But if given time the Guyver can also instant recharge if the host can find a moment to deactivate and then reactivate the armor. Sho did that in the Manga and was back to full power instantly, even the damage to his armor was instantly regenerated.

Though of course he was vulnerable for that period of time. So he faked being unconscious.

In his recent fight with Crimson Dynamo he showed the ability to calculate and compensate for different forms of energy blasts within microseconds. While performing numerous other tasks. Should he focus solely on one thing I would find him to be a most formidable foe.

There is no question Stark is a technical genius and his armor augments him even further but the Guyver is completely alien to anything he has ever encountered before and the questions remains if the CM is even hackable.

Remember the closest Stark has to something as advance as a CM is H.O.M.E.R., a computer so powerful it nears the capacity of a human brain, and not even that is portable.

And also remember all the things he has hacked such as cellphones and satellites is nothing compared to a CM.

Even the most powerful computer in the world is still dummer than an Ant.

As for IronMan's Reflexes, Spiderman can still outdraw him and the Guyver is close to Spiderman level reflexes.

Calling the Gigantic also instantly regenerates the host armor as well.

But that's all besides the fact onto whether IronMan can beat a Guyver.

IronMan may not be able to hack a Guyver but fight one is another story.

A Guyver has vulnerabilities like Sonics can paralyze and even knock out a Guyver. A direct electrical discharge into the CM can zap the host brain and knock them out and cause the unit to auto-deactivate.

Two things in which Stark could easily pick up on and use in the fight.

On the Guyver side though, vibrational swords will easily slice through IronMan armor unless he's using a shield. The Pressure Cannon easily rivals the Repulsors at full power. Though the head beam may be useless but similarly the head beam isn't hot enough to effect the Guyver much either.

The Guyver is also extremely hard to damage. The sonic blasts Sho withstood in the anime for example are rated to equal the firepower of several tanks firing at the same time. And Sho took quite a lot of hits with no visible damage. He just got knocked around a lot so there is the question of whether IronMan can even Harm a Guyver without resorting to the noted Guyver vulnerabilities.

Though as I stated before IronMan is physically stronger, but not even the Hulk Buster can match the Gigantic and we don't know if the vulnerabilities of the Guyver extends to the Gigantic as well.

Btw, a Guyver boosts 100x host potential. For example dispite the difference in physical conditioning each of the three Guyver were near each other in strength. We also have the scale upon which the zoanoids are measured by like Malmot is rated at 12 men yet could smash a small truck that easily weighed over 4 tons.

This basically means that instead of your 200 pound estimate it is actually closer to 800 pounds which puts the Guyver's maximum strength at 40 ton range. So IronMan at 90 will be more than twice as strong but he maxes out at 100 tons, not counting how strong the Hulk Buster armor is.

While the Gigantic is at least 5 times stronger with 20x more power.

But either way, it would be an awesome battle.

[Aranor]

There is no doubt in my mind a gigantic would womp Tony. Unless Tony could somehow detect the energy source (Boost or HLS) and somehow cut it off.

Besides I had said a Mark I or Mark II (Not sure of the limits of the Mark II) unit vs Ironman. I was going to leave thehulk buster armor out of it. But since it has been mentioned let us think of the posibilities if Tony used the energy source given to him from Thor. I believe Tony used it once in a giant Ironman Exoskeleton (Only to have that removed). If this source can give him access to the same energy source Thor uses what then? Granted the hardness of his armor is still limited but with an unlimited power source he might be able to pull of some amazing fireworks. A possible energy defenses.

The vibrational blades are definitely a threat however they do operate on a high frequency. With an energy shield operating at a similar frequency they could be countered. Though some damage would be expected before realising what they are.

[*zeo]

There is no doubt in my mind a gigantic would womp Tony. Unless Tony could somehow detect the energy source (Boost or HLS) and somehow cut it off.

That would be a good trick since he doesn't have any dimensional manipulation technology. Though if he gets his hands on some advance alien technology that could become a possibility.

Besides I had said a Mark I or Mark II (Not sure of the limits of the Mark II) unit vs Ironman.

Sorry I'm a WG writer, we don't have Mark I or Mark II units

If this source can give him access to the same energy source Thor uses what then?

Depends how much of it he could channel, like his normal armor maxes out at class 100. More energy wouldn't change that so it still depends on which armor he uses in the fight. But having unlimited power is the same like a WG. He would be able to use full power for every single attack so long as he doesn't burn out his armor with a power overload.

For example the Hulk Buster is a kamikazi armor designed to absorb gamma radiation and go critical and explode to take out the Hulk.

Granted the hardness of his armor is still limited but with an unlimited power source he might be able to pull of some amazing fireworks. A possible energy defenses.

It would make it possible for IronMan to block even the Mega Smashers since they can be deflected by a powerful electromagnetic field.

The vibrational blades are definitely a threat however they do operate on a high frequency. With an energy shield operating at a similar frequency they could be countered. Though some damage would be expected before realising what they are.

Different type of energy, so it wouldn't counter the swords by frequency but it could just deflect the swords with raw energy like Prug'stal did to protect himself while the Gigantic tried to punch him to a pulp.

But it depends how far away from his body the field extended as the swords would penetrate to a certain depth before being deflected.

But using the Thor power source would be the same as the Guyver going Gigantic. So two can play that game

But one thing you are forgetting is IronMan can remotely operate his other armors at the same time so he may be out matched by the Gigantic he could still try to win by shear numbers. Not to mention some well placed tactical missiles he can *cough* borrow from the military and if out in the middle of nowhere maybe a nuke which could be powerful enough to knock out the Gigantic's shields like Prug'stalls massive lightning barrage did.