Guest Posted September 5, 2004 Posted September 5, 2004 After reading a recent topic "who is the real bad guy, Imakarum or Agito" I can't help but feel like the Guyvers aren't actually doing the human race any good. Many of you have said that Alkanphel is not all that evil and I happen to agree. He did after all save human kind from certain extinction at the hands of the creators when they launched the moon size rock at the earth. Many of you believe that Alkanphel plans to start a war against the Creators and for that war he needs as many humans in the world as possible to have become zoanoids. This raises many questions, does Alkanphel know the location of the Creators, or does he plan to randomly search deep space in the ark and hunt them down? More importantly do the creators know Alkanphel stopped the rock they hurled at the earth. If so why haven't the creators come back to finish the job and eradicate humans, there failed experiment, forever? Anyway my point is, that without Chronos the world is actually quite weak and vulnerable. If the creators were to attack the earth upon dicovering that humans still exist, Chronos would be our only real defence and as we are seeing the Guyvers are destroying that defence!
guyverfanatic Posted September 5, 2004 Posted September 5, 2004 In my opinion, the creators would most likely decimate earth even with Chronos. I think I would side with the Guyvers.
daveblackeye152 Posted September 5, 2004 Posted September 5, 2004 Remeber what they did to Sho's dad!? I side with Guyver! (Gigatnic Guyvers are cool! bam bam!)
omegaling Posted September 5, 2004 Posted September 5, 2004 Villains are much more interesting than the protagonists. I would have to go with Chronos >D
Guest Posted September 6, 2004 Posted September 6, 2004 Since we're talking about the morals and ethics of the actual story- I'd choose Chronos if they were to offer people a choice about being a zoanoid (even better if it were the type of zoanoid), and were to come clean about everything they were doing. I can handle the totalitarian thing, just so long as the leader makes morally just decisions. As with Sho's dad, it proves they are not. I'd choose Guyver
BloodStorm Posted September 6, 2004 Posted September 6, 2004 I'ld go with chronos, hoping for atleast a midlevel hyper in power ( I likes me that Bilbo-Negg for some reason) then I'ld go guyver to further increase my power to champion the cuase.. But then again.. I've always been prone to grabbing both choices and then running off when the people offering the choice are still stunned at my actions..
Andersong Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 Which ones got better dental lol, I would have to sya, I would side with the guyvers, though my vote would be no help, if i were one of the guyvers thats different, but i have to say, Chronos are just a bunch of greedy jerks, Guyvers all the way
Guest Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 I would side with Guyvers because I hate evil in al its forms
Guest Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 I chose Chronos because I was thinking purely from a defensive point of view. As I said before if Chronos is to be destoyed and the Creators are to return, will the 2 guyvers alone be enough to defend the whole planet! I agree with the fact that Chronos actions are morally wrong, because they are forcing and processing people into zoanoids without there consent and against there will. But without Chronos, I believe earth is a sitting duck. It may be the case though, that even with Chronos, the earth is still very weak as guyverfanatic wrote: In my opinion, the creators would most likely decimate earth even with Chronos. However if the creators really are that powerful, why did they feel the need to come to earth and create Alkanphel, humans and Zoanoids in the first place? Humans were developed as weapons, to become zoanoids. Surely if your designing a weapon, you want it to be as powerful as possible, even if it becomes more powerful than ones self! If the creators were to return, would Chronos not put up a good fight? If the creators were victorious, it would probably be down to there vast numbers. I really am not sure anyway, I suppose the question now is how powerful are the creators? I still haven't gotten round to reading everyones fan fiction yet, I suppose a lot of people have different ideas. Anyway Creator power is fan fiction, wrong place for me to be bringing this up!
*Jess♥ Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 Don't get me started on good and evil or any philosophy! I'll go on forever! However i have to point out to riven, the atrocities that the church have commited throughout history. all organizations have an element of evil as well as an element of good. the mission statement is what really matters. chronos' goal is one that benefits the human race. it has stopped wars among ourselves and brought us together to become a formidable force. if we were attacked, then with chronos at the helm we would be more powerful than without. its all a matter of perspective. yes chronos did some terrible things to sho but then think about the consequences of the guyver staying free. i think agito is testament to the threat of the guyver to chronos and the unity of the human race. its all very similar(and im sorry to mention this) to the current world situation with terrorists causing chaos. while guyver may seem to be the saviour of the humans to some people, the majority have clearly welcomed chronos and the guyvers are nothing more than terrorists. I'm sorry to go on but i did warn you i'm going to shut up now before i talk your eyes out.
Guyver's bane Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 I would side with Guyvers because I hate evil in al its forms I'm going with riven.....Guyver rules and Chronos drools
Andersong Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 [will the 2 guyvers alone be enough to defend the whole planet!] as 8rucel33 said I actully Beleive that Sho and Agito, aren't the only guyvers, like all this is happening in japan, Chrono's IS world-wide, I bet there are at least 50 other units actived or not out there. Sorry to change the subject
*zeo Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 while guyver may seem to be the saviour of the humans to some people, the majority have clearly welcomed chronos and the guyvers are nothing more than terrorists. Confusing a conquered people to willingly accepting people is a mistake drag-5, Kronos defeated all the major world governments when they took over. The people have no choice but to accept them and since Kronos has totalitarian control over the world and the media they can make the Guyvers look as bad as they want. The price for the so called peace Kronos may give the world is too high IMO, so I would definitely side with the Guyvers.
omegaling Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 I would side with Guyvers because I hate evil in al its forms I wouldn't call Chronos evil. I call them ambitious >D
WarriorZoalord Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 does it really matter? they both seem to be thinking they are doing good, yet they fight eachother and start destroying what they wantto protect. I stay neutral.
*zeo Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 That's a good way to becoming road kill Another factor is Kronos is a corrupt organization, three Zoalords have even assassinated another and blamed it on the Guyvers. Not to mention Guyot's failed attempt at overthrowing Alkanphel. Then there is the little matter of ticking off the Creators who have a nasty habit of creating spacial warps to throw moons at us whenever they feel like starting over from scratch. Yeah, like that is really a hard choice.
Guest Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 Another factor is Kronos is a corrupt organization, three Zoalords have even assassinated another and blamed it on the Guyvers. Is this official Zeo? I didn't Know this! I guess that explains the mysterious hole that suddenly appeared in the Zoalords abdomen! I'm still sticking with Chronos as I wouldn't want to p##s off Alkanphel and get in the way of his revenge!
guyverfanatic Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 Is this official Zeo? I didn't Know this! I guess that explains the mysterious hole that suddenly appeared in the Zoalords abdomen!I'm still sticking with Chronos as I wouldn't want to p##s off Alkanphel and get in the way of his revenge! Well, if it wasn't official, Zeo would not have mentioned it. I think siding with the Guyvers is the best way to go. Democracy all the way!
Andersong Posted November 15, 2004 Posted November 15, 2004 Hey how many votes do we have for Chronos and The Guyvers so far? [make a chart]
Guest Posted November 15, 2004 Posted November 15, 2004 I think siding with the Guyvers is the best way to go. Democracy all the way! Democracy!!! I think democracy will be the last thing on Agito's mind! If Agito gets his way it will be the dawn of his empire! If I was siding with the guyvers, I would have to specify guyver 1. But again if guyver 1 finishes on top, and both Agito and Chronos have fallen, can Sho alone defend the earth from the creators?
*Jess♥ Posted November 16, 2004 Posted November 16, 2004 I don't think the earth is really in danger at the moment. the creators think we are kaput. otherwise they would be here sending more moon sized rocks at us. so we could go on as we are. overcome our beginnings and become better than our intended purpose. in response to zeo1234 you are right i was being a little short sighted. i guess a lot of people would feel trapped now that their freedom has been taken away. I feel that this strikes a parallel with an episode/s of angel. for those of you who like this series and don't want it spoiled, look away. the episodes where glory came to earth and enslaved everyone. although everyone was happy about the situation they didn't have any coice in the matter. they were in effect just happy slaves. i can't remember what the exact jist of the tale was but angel saved the world as usual. then there is another episode/s with that demon that took over fred. that demon is a very similar entity as alkanphel. a ruler that has lost its kingdom. perhaps alkanphel should respect the people in 'his' world and find out what they want and how they feel. of course he'll never do that but i guess that makes him the bad guy, blinded by his vision (no matter how noble it is). And so I definitely support sho. not the guyvers because agito is just as bad as chronos. sho is fighting for freedom. i think that is in the best interests of everyone.
Guest Posted November 16, 2004 Posted November 16, 2004 I don?t think it?s a matter of simply siding with Chronos or the Guyvers anymore against the Creators. Look at it from the Creator?s point of view. Without them, we would not even exist. They made us as their servants and we turned out dangerous to them. Destroying us was the only logical step. Look what normal people are doing to each other... imagine what mankind could do to the rest of the universe if we were to spread to outer space (which is of course exactly what is going to happen, now that the Ark Hakoboun is in orbit). A sentient cancer, spreading from inhabited world to inhabited world, colonizing and destroying everything it finds. The Guyvers are of course even more scary - imagine your own gun suddenly becoming intelligent and possessed of a desire to kill you! Does mankind have a right to exist, given that its own creator deems it a dangerous failure? But, even siding with mankind, we are dealing with AT LEAST four factions. The part of Chronos that is still loyal to Arkanfel - Shin, Hamilkar Barkas, Waferdanus and presumably most of Chronos? resources, including the silent majority of mankind. The renegade Chronos members, led by Kablar Khan, Kurumegnik and Jearvill (and, unless I miss my guess, Guyot - after all, HE has the Remover). The tiny group of people around Guyver 1 - I don?t know whether we can even say this faction even exists anymore, since Sho is currently a prisoner of the renegades. and of course Zeus? Thunderbolt, which, it seems, is exactly like Chronos now - except they are led by the most dangerous warrior in the world, Gigantic Dork Agito Makishima. The morality of all of this is extremely murky. Even the innocent hero of the story, Sho, is only effective as a warrior if he lets go of his humanity and lets his symbiont fight for him. I really have to wonder whether a morally satisfying conclusion is even possible at this point anymore. Of course, as someone said before, it seems VERY unlikely the Creators will return to Earth - unless they plan to use it again as a laboratory.... now THAT?s a thought...
Guest Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 First of all it depends if fan -fiction is included as I'm sure that with out this we have no ideas about the creators other then they don't usually have a solid physical form. With Fan-Fiction included I'd side with the guyvers. The unclusion of the ACTF, CRF, EDF ect... makes this decision easy. check out Brian Sullivan's work to find out why the new units such as Zues and Dreadnought should put a much better fight then you guys seem to think not to mention the fact that these forces also have help from zoalords and alternate dimensional beings. The moral thing is interesting though. Chronos is generally fighting for the future of the human race however they are doing it in a dictative way. The Zoanoids were looked on with favour by the creators they were their angels but with them came their Demon's... GUYVER there nemesis
Guest Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 Wait are you telling me that Zues has left the good guys... how... why... nooooooooo!!!
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