Several questions regarding the guyver weaponry

[*V Guyver]

in other words, Zx-toles armor resists the impact, thus bouncing it back, and that keeps the more destruction aspect of the weapon in check. The armor cushions the attack, then repels it due to that. But that armor can still be overwhelmed by using a more contained amount of pressure or repeated attacks before the armor can recover as observed by the fight in the OVA series against Guyver III.

I'm greatly impressed Zeo. I always figured that the blast was always dissipating, but couldn't figure why. Now you basically solved that little riddle for me. Zeo, do you happen to read Popular Science like I sometimes do?

[*zeo]

You're welcome, just remember it's just a theory based on the assumption that it works like how black hole physics suggests it should behave.

I read loads of magazines and books... Popular Science and Mechanics, like PCPhoto, etc are mainly good for the upcoming products I may want to buy previews. Science not so much but occassionally they show something interesting. . . Web Sites like Science Daily and New Scientist are far better for keeping up with general science R&D in nice laymen layout.

Accessing science and tech journals are also good when I want to know something in more detail. I also read computer books and magazines, like CPU, NAPP, and MaximumPC. While websites like Gizmodo, io9, life hacker, etc are other sites I visit daily.

[Larz Zahn]

Zeo im gonna have to start calling you mr fantastic.

Vguyver actually said what i was thinking about ex toles armor.

Oh yeah i really appreciate you taking time to answer my questions about Guyver an all zeo. and even more thanks for breakin down your answers for me! haha!

ok time for a dumb question.

since the pressure cannon is a gravity based weapon would a Guyver beable to influence its direction sorta like remote controlling? the only way i can see how is if he could alter the gravity around the globe from a distance and change its course.

I dont exactly... believe he can, but that was brought up and i just want to be thorough.

[*zeo]

There has been no indications that the Guyver can manipulate the Pressure Cannon after it is fired that I know of.

Technically, to do so would require manipulating gravitational energy at a distance but just like a magnetic field this is easier said than done. The Guyver would basically have to project a gravitational field around the entire area that they would want to control the path of the Pressure Cannon and then focus the field to guide the Pressure Cannon.

This of course would require immense power, as well as advance energy manipulation capability, and I really only see the Gigantic as having the potential to pull it off but not even the Gigantic has shown any sign of having that ability, but then again it may be an ability Sho hasn't discovered yet. Just like the Exceed form.

Incidentally, of the two known Gravity Power Zoalords, neither Imakarum nor Guyot have shown that sort of ability either. Though they do show they can control there Gravity Points from a distance but that's equivalent to the Guyver firing off its Gravity Control Orb and being able to control it from a distance.

So right now it seems gravity energy is mainly just focused and fired in a variety of ways, Imakarum for example can use gravity to create energy blades that he can fire off (like that chopping motion he did as Murikami) and more complex forms like that vortex attack that both he and Archanfel have been seen using (according to the VDF that was a gravity based attack too).

Though the Gigantic has been shown to be able to control severed limbs from a distance. At least a severed limb with an intact power amp crystal, when GG3 remotely controlled his severed leg and used it to kick Yentsei from behind and then flew it back to himself and had it re-attach itself.

Basically it appears that the power amps (note the literal translation has them as gravity amps) basically take gravity energy and amplify it but they can also be used to siphon energy from the Boost Dimension (as shown by the Exceed form) and can also apparently manipulate gravitational energy for other uses. Such as the Gigantic Power Punch (Literal translation is Gravity Knuckle) and the Barrier Shield.

[Larz Zahn]

Im glad you go really indepth with this stuff.

I cant think of any other things to ask about the pressure cannon,

but the exceeds newest weapon, its just me but it really looks like a black hole rail gun.

he forms what seems to me to be a compressed super charged pressurecannon and uses the gravity ram and shoulder rods to... fire? it off like a rail gun would a metal slug.

im aware that what fires is a virtual black hole, im just sayin thats what it looked like.

Is the basics of this weapon the same as the railgun?

[*zeo]

I would imagine so, my theory is that the Gigantic Exceed basically performed a Pressure Cannon maneuver but channeled the Exceed's full gravitational power until a mini-black hole was formed. He then just focused the gravity field he was using to generate the mini-black hole to then fire it. So your basic description matches up to how I think it works too.

General rule of thumb for black holes is that the smaller they are the shorter they will exist before evaporating. A black hole with the mass of say a mountain could have been created shortly after the Big Bang and would now be reaching the point that it'll stop being a black hole and would explode with the power of about 100 Giga Tons of TNT, as the event horizon finally collapse.

While smaller black holes, like those possibly created by smashing two atoms together in a super collider... would basically only last an instant.

So it is possible that the Exceed fired a true mini-black hole but it Hawking Radiation half-life basically was only long enough to perform the attack and go into space before it evaporated.

Another interesting aspect of Black Holes is that they generate shearing force, basically distortions in the gravity field that would tear anything approaching a black hole apart and/or into speghetti (figeratively speaking). But super massive black holes, like those that may exist in the center of galaxies like our own Milkyway, are big enough that the event horizon extends beyond the gravimetric shearing effect and so those black holes can suck things in without them first being destroyed in the process. Ergo smaller black holes get very messy before you even approach the event horizon.

[Larz Zahn]

Takayas usually pretty good with that level of detail, so i would assume tha it was a true black hole then?

I mean it sucked every thing into it it passed and even things from a great distance, compared to the size of the blackhole i mean,

khans purgatorium was completely absorbed and so was khans body, like it got sucked into the event horizion and as far as i could tell it didnt have any form of shredding or anything. It just ate him whole.

[*zeo]

The whole slurping up effect can be considered the shredding part, since it basically liquidated his body. But yes, it could indeed have been a real black hole. Making it technically more powerful than the Zoalord type used by Guyot and Imakarum, both of which needed to absorb enough mass/energy before it would become a true black hole and why GG3 was able to destroy it with the Giga Smashers by destroying the Gravity Points that were generating the effect.

[Larz Zahn]

AAhhhhh. I get it now, thank you.

Alrighty then, moving right along.

his armor, it can stop bullets and can take alot of sonic attacks (noskov and the other bigname) and it can take acid, at least when it hit his arm it melted the hfb but not his forarm. it took a few direct hits from gasters missles, including directly into the megasmasher with no armor benefits and he was still able to function somewhat.

its pretty tough tho. it took a direct hit from the head beam and didnt penetrate.

[*zeo]

I'm assuming you want an elaboration on the defensive capabilities of the Guyver Bio-Armor?

Do you want a complete theoretical explanation or just a summary? (Note before you answer be aware when I mean complete I mean enough text to fill over a dozen pages printed out)

[Larz Zahn]

HAha... ok you got me there... how about your opinion?

then we'll see about the textbook answer.

im really thinking about calling you mr. fantastic now....

[*zeo]

My summarized opinion is that the Bio-Armor is Diamond Tough, skin like reactive similar to how Zektole's work, and heat resistant to over 5000 degrees.

Key examples...

Armor getting hit by Head Beam, Gigantic getting stomped on by Dragonlord Khan, Guyver Walking through Darzerb's Napalm Breath, Bullets hitting the Armor in anime, Guyver 3 being hit by a Pressure Cannon like blast from Imakarum . . . among other examples.

[*Jess♥]

I think Guyver armour is made out of the same material that japanese police use for their hats.

We'll have to investigate and see what they use.

[Larz Zahn]

Ryuki, how come you think they similar in material? im not familiar with the japanese police equipment.

and zeo, wouldnt the gigantics armor actually be more sturdier than a reg Guyver armor? hense khan stomping on him didnt kill him?

Not doubting you or anything here zeo but i would like read the to chapter where Guyver 3 got shot by mirabilis, only cause i dont remember it, and i'd like to be up to date before i ask questions. Do you know which one it was? I have a feeling its when they first meet him but im not a hundred precent sure.

And which is tougher. Zoalord armor/skin or Guyver armor?

Edited June 20, 2008 by Larz Zahn

[*zeo]

The Gigantic is only stated as being 20x more powerful, thousand of tons stomping even divided by 20x still leaves hundreds of tons which is more than enough to turn most metals into playdo. Just look up how much tonnage they use for stamping coins.

The scene is where Imakarum hits G3, right after G3 failed to take his head off with the Vibrational Sword and only managed to break his sun glasses and Imakarum slams him with what looked like a pressure cannon (had the same swirling appearance) with it and then lets G3 collapse and fall to the ground below.

Zoalord Armor probably varies between the Zoalords but they appear to depend on their Barrier Shield in most cases, and they don't appear capable of advance regeneration. So technically that would mean the Guyver Armor is superior, but only the Gigantic has a Barrier Shield.

[*Jess♥]

Ryuki, how come you think they similar in material? im not familiar with the japanese police equipment.

I'm not overly familiar, but we know that a policemans hat can survive zerbebuth's acid when guyvers high frequency sword can't.

[Super Existence]

The head beam on both Guyver and Gigantic has little effect on the armours. Gigantic shot the headbeam through several walls and punctured Imakarums side.

[*zeo]

The Gigantic head beam is 5x the standard one, but that is another good example SE.

I'm not overly familiar, but we know that a policemans hat can survive zerbebuth's acid when guyvers high frequency sword can't.

Though it could be that the hats just fell off when the policemen would have jerked in pain as their bodies dissolved and then floated along with the liquidated remains... Though the scene in question is from the new Anime series and we have weird scenes like the hole in Enzyme's gut kept on changing position. So the artist may have just put them there for dramatic effect and to show exactly what the liquid flowing past our view actually was...

[*Jess♥]

The Gigantic head beam is 5x the standard one, but that is another good example SE.

Though it could be that the hats just fell off when the policemen would have jerked in pain as their bodies dissolved and then floated along with the liquidated remains... Though the scene in question is from the new Anime series and we have weird scenes like the hole in Enzyme's gut kept on changing position. So the artist may have just put them there for dramatic effect and to show exactly what the liquid flowing past our view actually was...

Don't be such a spoilsport.

we just need to accept that a policemans hat is the strongest material known to man.

[Larz Zahn]

i want me that hat!!!

yeah i rememebered that the giga head beam ruptured the side of mirabilis. that sorta made me think that a giga guyvers armor was tougher than a zoalords. guess we wont know absolutely for sure until two gigaguyvers go at it.

so when mirabilis shot g3 it was when he was in humanform, so that means earlyer in the Manga when they first meet the new and improved murikami. thanks zeo.

i guess i never really considered the possibilty that the Guyver and gigantic guyvers armor would be of the same strenght. i just assumed that cause it was a more powerful variant, everything got upgraded.

ok new question.

How fast can a normal Guyver fly and how long can he sustain it. In the original ova in act two, both guyvers flew into the air and flew away from each other... and they was fast!

[Super Existence]

We do have proof Gigantics armour is better than zoalords. Gigantics head beam punctured Imakarums side and when Gigantic Dark shot himself via Yentuis portholes he was barely grazed.

So far we have no idea how fast a Guyver can fly as we have never seen him fly from two fixed points within a set time period. I also dare say he can do it indefinitely or at least for a long time, so far the only ability of Guyvers that canot be sustained is the megasmasher.

[*Jess♥]

there is a suggestion that the headbeam cannot be sustained since it works on expelling the internal heat of the guyver.

not confirmed either way.. but it is a possibility.

[*zeo]

Yes, I agree, I don't think the head beam can be maintained indefinitely. But the Guyver is always generating or absorbing heat so it wouldn't take him long before it can be fired again.

so when mirabilis shot g3 it was when he was in humanform, so that means earlyer in the Manga when they first meet the new and improved murikami. thanks zeo.

Book 10, pages 176-177. It's clearer just to call him Imakarum now to more easily tell him apart from the former good Murikami... Unlike Guyot, Imakarum can use some of his power in human form and in one of his thought bubbles he even states his gravitational power is more potent than Guyot's.

I think the Gigantic Armor is mainly just a lot thicker. For example GG1 got hit by a hail of gravity Bullets from Imakarum and they blew fist size holes into the armor but none drew blood. It takes less damage to draw blood from a normal Guyver.

I believe this may be in part because the Relic organism becomes part of the Guyver and so the Relic's ability to quickly adapt to damage also applies to the Gigantic. . . Like when GG3 sliced off his own leg to escape a trap from Yentsui and Waferdanos, there wasn't much blood and the flow quickly stopped. I believe that example also shows that the Gigantic just doesn't go on the Guyver but becomes part of the Guyver as the leg didn't look like it was encased in armor but rather had grown to the proportions of the Gigantic.

So in a way the Gigantic is tougher than the regular Guyver, also the Gigantic doesn't seem to be as effected by pain. But the Armor can be damaged, as the Gravity Bullets showed, as well as other examples like Purg'stall blasting off the swords with his lightning bolts. So I think material strength is the same, just bigger and altered biology makes it tougher. Like trying to hurt a Gorilla versus a man. The Gorilla can be 800 pounds and a lot harder to hurt, even though it's flesh and blood just like the man. An interesting comparison really, since a Gorilla can have the strength of 20 men.

The Gigantic however doesn't seem to have faster regeneration, in fact we haven't seen the Gigantic regenerate except to re-attach a severed leg and when the Gigantic is first activated and is drawing energy from the Bio-Boost. So the rate of regeneration may be the same as a Standard Unit, though the Greater mass may just make it seem like that.

As for how fast the Guyver can fly, like SE stated we don't officially know how fast the Guyver can fly. The Guyver speed has not been officially stated, we can only guess estimate.

Though you may see some specific speeds given on other Guyver fan sites, the earliest such numbers state the Guyver can run up to 250 MPH and fly up to 300 MPH. The origin of these numbers are unknown and thus can't be verified... I use them on my own site because those were the only numbers I could ever find and because they seem to make sense, but use your own judgement on whether they make sense to you.

We only know that the Guyver can run fast enough to shoot past a car, but don't know how fast the car was moving for comparison.

We also only know the Guyver can fly fast enough that if you are looking right at them that they can seem to almost disappear, but human vision is fairly easy to fool and you don't need to be moving that fast to appear to have vanished.

The Gigantic is also a mystery but has been seen flying through the clouds, suggesting flight speed equal to a fast plane... Considering he was flying from Arizona to Colorado, couple hundred miles away and was apparently not worried about being intercepted.

The back thrusters of the Gigantic do provide rocket like acceleration, it appears when GG1 used them to catch up to the Branchai Brothers that he actually broke the sound barrier but that could have been just Gravity Knuckles just creating a sonic boom. But the shockwave appeared to be spreading out flat, suggesting the former.

[Larz Zahn]

Thanks SE, i just read the gigantic dark fight with yentsui and waferdonos not but a few days before that post. i really should of caught that. my bad.

Thanks zeo, i always sorta figured it was a mix of Relic and biobooster making up the gigantics body.

warping. I noticed when sho first became gigantic he was.... i believe in the salt lake base? And mizuki and the rest of the gang was in japan, perhaps the hometown of the guyvers. Anyways, when they were in danger she called out to sho and he heard her, then teleported to her location.

Im thinking that the gigaguyvers sensors have a planet wide range (probably based off the Relic ship class sensors) if not wider. And even tho he was unconscience i think that the dual control metal via shos brain was still monitoring mizuki because that was his subconscience desire. So when she called out, the unit probably detected like a spike in heart rate or some thing that gave away her anxiety that the unit registered as she was in trouble. so it teleported to her location to save her, much like shos last desire to save his friends when the mount minikami Relic was being destroyed.

thats my theory on that but back to my question, its obvious he has some form of teleporting ability. I havent noticed him doing it again. That could be because it wasnt him doing it but the unit itself, so he may not of learned of it yet. Agito hitched a ride with him so he does, but i still dont rememeber him ever teleporting either... also, would the teleporting power only be available while the Guyver is in the gigantus cocoon?

thats just my opinion on the teleporting thing.

any thoughts theorys and corrections are always welcomed. I like knowing People who know more than me. Haha!

[*zeo]

Hmm, surprised no one else answered you yet... Okay, basic break down for teleportation is that we simply don't know. We only have the one time the Gigantic Cocoon traveled through the Boost Dimension and aside from going back and forth like normal Guyver Units do the Gigantic hasn't demonstrated this ability since.

In theory though I would suspect the Cocoon may be required since it is the only part that is seen going back and forth, the Gigantic pretty much always goes into and out of the Cocoon. Possibly this could be because the rest of the Relic CM (since there was two merged together when the Cocoon first formed) is inside the Cocoon and is the part that does the actual Dimension hopping.

Though it is possible the Gigantic may be able to teleport itself as is, being part Relic. After all the Relic teleported the human companions as well as G1 and G3 in Cocoons when the Relic was destroyed to apparently different locations. Suggesting the Relic has the ability to send things besides itself through and consequently this ability may be part of the Gigantic.

However, until such time as the Gigantic again demonstrates this ability we can only speculate.

As for the Hyper Sensors, I don't believe they reach world wide but telepathy has been shown to reach over long distances. At least for strong impressions and Zoalords demonstrated on X-Day that at least with a Psycho Wave Amplifier they can control Zoanoids anywhere on the planet.

So Sho may have simply had a mental bond/link with Mizuki and subconsciously sensed she was in danger and went to her aid, just my opinion though as Takaya never explained that part.