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I’ll concede that the Zoanoids the Guyver actually grappled with were not that heavy (comparatively speaking however several rank and fill Zoanoids are heavier. Bonga (378kg), Bresnel (313kg), Gustav (312kg), Oranganann (301kg), Hodluff (303kg) and Grmmels (267kg) to be precise but only Bonga is heavier than Guyver 3 (the heaviest Guyver at 328kg). However that isn’t including the bulky Hyper Zoanoids so you see why I thought the weight difference applied in more cases, actually I was surprised how little some of the Zoanoids weigh. I think, or rather I like to thing, that the reason Takaya included the details like height and weight, and everything so the reader (us) would feel more connected to the universe (the Guyver universe not some spiritual concept). Like when you watch an old cartoon something happens that isn’t possible but you don’t care because “it’s a cartoon who cares?” but with Guyver everything follows rules and has its own realism. We care HOW thinks are happening not just that things are happening…I mean we’re essentially arguing about two character’s weight for God sake! Then again it could just be that he’s an obsessive-compulsive and feels like he has to add all these details. I think the power amps may only maintain the Exceed’s additional cell mass and weapons but when using a weapon they have to increase their power intake. You’re right energy has a weight but so does air, I mean its such and inpersevable amount that you would needs unimaginable amounts before it became detectible without extremely specialised equipment. As for the definition of weight, I think its best if we stay away from atomic weight as its very abstract and would only complotact matters plus (as I understand) atomic weight is really only used as an oginizational thing for elements. I think it would be best to stick with standard gravity weight (1G) as it’s the easiest to deal with, which it should be we use it throughout our lives.

Well that would certainly explain why Exceed was lighter because energy has no weight because it as no mass only matter can have weight. As for the weight difference well almost every Zoanoid the Guyver ever grappled with had a weight advantage, then again it could just be down to “anime physics” at work. By the way zeo, the vast majority of issues in that article don’t really apply to the Exceed. I already explained about the duel skeletal structures and musculature plus it is reasonably to assume that the Exceed hasn’t just grown but made any necessary internal alterations as well. Oh and some of the physics references where incorrect, “the weight of an animal is proportional to its volume” actually the weight of an animal or anything else is determined by the amount of mass within its volume meaning its density. Anyway, I still think the Exceed is a result of cellular increase. As for way the power amps are active, I would say it would be to power the new weapons like the black hole cannon (and who knows what other weapons) and to maintain the additional cellular mass, which would require considerable power. I’m not saying that I can find anything wrong with the dimensional lens or super sized atomic structure theorises, aside from the fact that they stretch the laws of physics more than I like and they seem overly complicated to me. Do we no for a fact (data files with weight data or the like) that Exceed is lighter than Dragon Lord? If we do then the reason is it down to two factors, one is that Dragon Lord clearly has more volume then Exceed (they’re about the same height but not the same brief if you will) so even if their mass to volume ratio is identical DL has more. The second factor is their composition, DL is composed of thousands of Zoanoids all fused together so it is reasonable to assume that this results in a (perhaps only slightly) denser structure then the overall density of the Exceed. I realize a lot of this is down to “ifs” but it makes the most logical sense to me.

To address the original topic first, height has no real baring on weight, in fact the dimensions of an object have little to do with it’s weight. The way to work it out is that density is equal to the mass of an object over it’s volume (D=m/v) so it isn’t really how big something is as how much mass is crammed into it. Take gas for example, it can tale up the same volume as a solid but the molecules of gasses are obviously nowhere near as densely packed together as a solid so the are litter. As for the doubts as to the Gigantic’s structural integrity as Exceed, I think that is a mute point because the Guyver has both an internal skeleton and an external one (the armor). Also the Guyver’s physical structure is composed of dense muscle and strong tendons with the bare minimum of internal organs giving it incredible structural support to the point of redundancy. All of this is further augmented by the Gigantus armor so the Exceed would have no real problem with its increase in size. Though I like the idea of the dimension sift explaining the Exceed I can’t help but feel like your looking for complicated method to a simple process. Remember that the Gigantic is an organic entity an therefore altering its mass and volume are actually inherently natural things, we alter our mass every time we make and burn fat cells and our volume increases throughout our entire lives as we grow and then shrink. My theory is that the Gigantic uses it’s energy generators to provide the power required for such rapped (even for a Guyver) cellular generation and when it returns to normal Gigantic it simple re-metabolizes the extra cell mass. I have to say though I don’t see how you could tell the Exceed’s weight just from looking at it.

It makes sense that the Creators would use the pre-existing crystal structure of the Control Metal to make a weaponised version (Zoacrystals) for their Zoalord. I believe the metal parts of the Control metal aren’t actually inert metal like steel or iron but rather an organic structure that seems like metal, like coral reefs aren’t actually rock. I think the nerve tendrils that attach to the host’s brain are connected to an organic element in the center of the Control Metal that has a complete copy of the host’s DNA, which is how the Control Metal regenerated Sho. As for the Control Metal repairing itself, I think that it would tale a considerably longer amount of time then Lisker had bad the Guyver before being destroyed. After all the Control Metal is the only vital part of a Guyver so it stands to reason that it can repair itself it just can’t do it at a fast rate. Perhaps the Control Metal can only repair itself at the rate of it’s host’s normal healing rate, like the Control Metal regenerates every other part of the Guyver (and host) and the host repairs the Control Metal. Well remember that Sho was trying to minimize the damage to the area so he could have been using his gravity orb to lower the Gigantic’s weight to stop himself from crushing the building he was standing on or leave massive footprint everywhere. As for the Gigantic’s mass, well bare in mind that the Guyver is an organic creature and therefore its mass is extremely mutable. Just look at humans, our mass changes constantly through the process of aging, gaining mass as we grow up and loosing mass as we grow old (yeah you shrink when you get old). Then there’s gain and loosing weight through making and burning fat cells. So really the Gigantic is just using it’s power generators to gain the necessary energy to produce such a lager cell production in such a short time and when it shrinks back down it’s just re-metabolizing the additional cell structure. If you think of it that way it isn’t really such a far fetched idea. The last point I’d like to make is that the Gigantic was a result of Sho’s Control Metal and the Control Metal of the Relic fusing and the Guyver rebuilding it’s host. The fact that the two Control Metals had fused meant that the Guyver’s AI could for fill Sho’s last thought before he died (again) to have the power to defeat Arkenthel because it had access to the Relic’s design stored in it’s Control Metal. Using these designs it created the cocoon and configured the Gigantic armor, so it was actually the Guyver itself (with the necessary desire of it’s host) that made the Gigantic.

Nudity, like violence, is all down to how you use it. If you have people’s heads exploding every page for no reason then its gratuities and pointless but if the reason their heads are exploding is because of a virus that doesn’t effect people with certain trait then it’s a dramatic (if admittedly odd) plot device. The same goes for nudity, it is perfectly possible to have an entire cast completely naked for the duration of a film without having lurid sexuality ruin the plot (by the way I’m talking about a real film, I think its called nude or naked). I suppose that’s the line things like Guyver have to walk, between maintaining a solid plot with credible characters and making sales. Of course it is possible to have sex appeal without shoving bare breast in your audiences faces, if anything a subtle nudge if done right can go a lot further then a full body tackle. Which, now that I think about it, is what Guyver may be doing. If you look at Griselda’s data file you can see that her breasts are made to stand out and note those lines on her crouch and rear. Not overtly sexual but you certainly now you’re looking at a women. I love the female form and believe that if depicted tastefully then how sexual the image is boils down to the individual viewer (that goes for the male form as well by the way). That being said, I would rather see more feminine zoaforms like Griselda then human women for two reasons. The first is that one of the things that got me interested in Guyver in the first place was the Zoanoid designs and adding feminine forms would not only add an aesthetic appeal but add greater design variety. The second is, well this isn’t Victorian England, you can get magazines and stuff for that plus the way most women dress is hardly conservative (not a complaint) so why saturate every form of media with something that is already widely available.

Yeah and Griselda would be thinking “I wish I had one of those stretchy battle suits, and why are my boobs so much bigger in my battle form? Hekkering, you damn pervert!” Moving on… I’ve been thinking about why we haven’t seen any female Zoanoids and, looking at it from an in-world perspective, there is no real reason why there shouldn’t be. I think its safe to assume at this point that there is no biological reason and the exclusively male forces of chronos are down to sociological reasons. Which brings us to the other perspective, the real world perspective or more specifically the creator’s perspective (not THE Creators but the people that making the manga). If you look at the cast you’ll note that they are predominantly male, which is not necessarily a bad thing i.e. there is virtually no women ergo its sexist. The female characters have quality over quantity, especially with a year of growing up. Looking at the earlier chapters, when Mizuki was practically the only female character (baring miscellaneous student), she was in my opinion the voice of sanity during the exposition moments and a normal teenage girl. She screamed a lot but wouldn’t you if people were turning into monsters all around you and that wimp you knew way-back-went was suddenly butchering said monsters in a living suit of armor. I’m amazed she ever stopped screaming, that’s enough to drive anyone to the nut house. However, the true worth of the character came (as I see it) when Murikami explained about the Creators and the origin of humanity. Of course she’s going to freak out and question why she’s the only one not acting like Murikami just made a comment about the weather. My point is that from a story point the normal Zoanoids are meant to be faceless cannon fodder and (double standard as it is) it is easier to dismiss males as expendable minions then females. As for the character Zoanoids like the Hyper Zoanoid Team Five or the Lost Numbers Commandos, while I think a female team member would have added to the poignancy of their deaths for Zx-tole and Aptom it still works. Any way, I think the reason we haven’t seen any female Zoanoids is the same reason we haven’t seen a female Guyver until now, the story. I would like to remind everyone of the OVA, in particular the part when Valcuri bonds with the Guyver. That’s the sort of thing a Manga like Guyver could do but rather then have naked women every other page (a realistic scenario if their were female combatants) we only get plot necessary female characters. If we do see a female Zoanoid, and I think we will at some point given there is a female Guyver (and hopefully not just for fan service sake), she will hopefully be a fully realized character on pare with her male predecessors.

Well Yenstui might think that and Balcus defenetly would (poor guy probably hasn’t had a women in centuries). Waferdanus on the other hand would be thinking “oh so the bumpy ones can be optimized too…why don’t we have one of those?”

Well I dug up the data-files on Guyvers 0-3 and I compared their armor layout to the female Guyver (are we calling her Guyver 4?) and the armor is essentially the same. I realize that all of the Guyvers are slightly different but its more the head or to be precise the layout of the vents and sonic orbs (Guyver 1 and 0 are almost identical otherwise). The only difference is the lack of side armor plates that would allow for more flexible movement. As for the rib structures, I was trying to remember if Guyver 3 had two or three of them but the only thing I could remember at the time was of him with has arms folded but Guyver 2 did appear to have an unattached set in the data-file. I guess the rib structures don’t matter. I may as we get this out of the way, the crouch armor is different to the male Guyvers that have a more codpiece look but baring a slightly easier range of motion its probably just decorative like the breast plats. Someone at some point would have went there I just beat you to it. As for strong, well bare in mind that a Guyver increases it’s host strength 100X so the difference between a male and female Guyver’s strength only really becomes an issue if they are fighting each other. Plus, and this is just my opinion, the Guyver also increases its hosts physical perimeters to optimal level, not superhuman stuff but if it can regenerate your entire anatomy then I’d imagine it keeps everything running right as well. I would guess that a female Guyver would have more agility as the female frame is lighter and more flexible (note the arc in her back when she uses her megasmashers). Also, though it is generally true that man have more physical strength then women, it is entirely possible for a women to become as strong as any man however due to their physiology it is harder for women to develop and maintain muscle mass. I don’t think this would be a problem for a female Guyver as the Guyver would most likely override this biological limitation. As the Guyver atrophies all non-essential aspects of the host, such as the digestive system, when it is equipped the same most likely occurs to the reproductive organs. Thus a pregnant women would be unable to bio-boost in much the same way as Sho was unable to after he killed his father. The Guyver would sense the thetas and the host’s maternal instinct to protect it and would not equip. I think this is the most likely scenario but then again, maybe the Guyver would recognize the foreign DNA required for conception as some sort of fret and attempt to protect the host by altering her immune system to attack it. Or that the thetas is some sort of new organ and alter it resulting in a bizarre mutant. There is only one other difference between a male and female Guyver that I can think of, when a male Guyver uses his megasmashers its cool and when a female Guyver uses her megasmashers its cool and slightly erotic… yeah I’m weird.

The lack of female combatants in Chronos is almost definitely down to sexist views resulting from the ancient cultural background of most of the Zoalords. I don’t think this applies to Waferdonus or Arkenfel though. I imagine Waferdonus, not being human, would view gender among humans with the same indifference we do to other animals (a dog is a dog and a cat is a cat, we don’t really care about their gender). Arkenfel was developed during the Creator era so it makes sense that he wouldn’t favor one gender over another because his only cultural background was “we all live to serve the Creators…no exceptions”. Still, since he is asleep most of the time I doubt he really had much influence on Chronos’ recruitment policies. As for the general populous, if we except there is no biological reason that women can’t be optimized, statistically there must be female Zoanoids. However, since it as only been a year since X day and optimization is still a relatively new thing it could be that most women consider it to be more of a guy thing. It isn’t a good comparison but consider tattoos, they have been around for years but they are still considered by some to be largely just for men. Indeed in the early days it was only burly sailors and the like that had them. My point is that if such views still exist about ink images implanted on peoples skin imagine being genetically modified to turn into a nine feet monster with lasers sticking out of its shoulders. Oh and gender is decided, along with every other trait, during the conception phase of development but during development the thetas has both gender traits (at a severely underdeveloped level obviously) but only one continues to develop to become functional. So technically we all start out as hermaphrodites during our thetal development and incidentally that’s why men have nipples.

First off this isn’t a…boys are better then girls or vice versa, thing! It’s a childish argument and its not worth having. Anyway, now that we officially have a female Guyver on the cast (I don’t count the OVA) what do you think the differences between a male and female Guyver are? Just to get the ball rolling I’ll point out that the physical structure of the female Guyver is different (other than the female body frame). For instance, some of the armor plates are different shapes, there are only two side rib structures connecting to the megasmasher’s protective plates and the joints at the hips seem to allow for the better range of movement. This is a common trait that women can move their legs easier in angles men tend to find difficult or impossibly.

As I understand it the Creators wanted a base for their genetic weapons so they began the development of life on Earth and manipulated the resulting organisms until a species evolved that met their needs (humans). After they had their base species they began directly altering them (us) until they got Zoanoids…then of course the Guyver disaster occurred and the Creators left. At this point we now that the existing Zoanoids crossbred with humans but there are two facts that suggest that every modern human has the gene (or genes) required to become a Zoanoid. The first is that both parents transfer all of their genetic code to their offspring and over such a large time scale it is hard to believe that anyone would not have the gene at this point. Essentially if you consider that the gene is dormant and artificial so it would probably not be effected by normal evolutionary processes. The second is that anyone that has this gene can apparently be optimized and re-optimized into any zoaform. Why that matters is that it suggests that the gene isn’t what makes the Zoanoid, rather it facilitates optimization but that actual Zoanoids are developed by the optimizers. So the Creator era Zoanoids could have been very different to the ones we know now, probably stronger because the Creators were better at optimizing. All of which pretty much boils down to, if males inherited the gene then so would females, though there are genes that only effect one gender I’m almost certain they are inherited by the other gender they are just dormant. Also the Zoanoid gene would only bypass females if the Creators designed it to and since we’ve established that by and large both genders have adequate combat potential I don’t see why they wouldn’t weaponise all of humanity. By the way it was my fault things got of track when I made a perfectly innocent comment about the combatant uniforms so sorry for inadvertently making you think about what Balcus does or doesn’t have on under his robs.

All of that is absolutely true (as far as my understanding of human physiology tells me) but I have to point out that when a human is optimized thy are altered on the genetic level and I can’t help but wonder if we aren’t getting confused with a Guyver. What I mean is that, as we all now, a Guyver takes its host and enhances its existing abilities (yes I now it also gives the host weapons) but Zoanoids have set abilities. To clarify, I don’t think that the gender of the host effects the Zoaform as each mass produced modal of Zoanoid is the same. However the characteristics (including gender) would probably effect a Guyver but that’s a thread for another day.

I think the only real physiological issue with zoaforming women is pregnancy. As far as I know, when someone is zoaformed their human form is essentially the same as before they were zoaformed (maybe they’re healthier) and when they transform their entire physiology changes. So I don’t think that the subject’s gender would have a baring on the Zoanoid as all Zoanoids of the same type are depicted as almost identical in both appearance and ability. Logically speaking I would say a zoaformed pregnant women simply wouldn't be able to transform…though now that I think about it, that might not be true for the early stages as human thetas are tiny. Women can be zoaformed into Zoalords, as Griselda proves! As for why there are no female Zoalords in the twelve is probably down to bias, not some problem with the actual process of zoaforming women into Zoalords. However, that can’t really be taken as absolute proof that women can be zoaformed into regular Zoanoids, as Zoalords are very different to Zoanoids. Zoalords have zoacrystals, altered human forms (Guyot was as strong as a Guyver and the older ones have exposed zoacrystals) and don’t age. Another thing to consider is that Zoalord designs are made for specific individuals instead of the general mass production designs of Zoanoids. There is one thing to consider, way back in the first volumes, an entire town was shown to have been secretly zoaformed and though we never see any women transforming about half the population would have been female. My point is that we never see any women after everyone transforms. I think it’s unrealistic to assume they all fled, even if the entire male population did turn into monsters, that’s their sons and husbands we’re talking about. I for one would expect to see Zoanoids being questioned, however nerves and/or franticly, by loved ones what was happening or if “it was them…” (you know what I mean) but instead the entire female population disappears. Not concrete proof but something to think about. When you consider the wide diversity of tastes in the world it isn’t unreasonably to believe that there are women that would want to be power type Zoanoids like Gregole or bio-blasters like Vamore. The more mainstream women would probably find scout types more appealing as they aren’t that far off from the female frame. I really doesn’t take much, alter the hips, curve the back slightly, add a bust and soften the features and thinner framed Zoanoids start to take on a more feminine quality. One last thing, before X day all Zoanoid where sleeper agents or soldiers in Cronos. Given the attitude toward women in the armed forces has barely changed even today (bare in mind Guyver started nearly thirty years ago) that might account for the fact that there is no mention of female Zoanoids. As a man I have to say that women would look pretty good in the combatant uniform but imagine after X day Cronos would have some difficulty recruiting women with such a revealing uniform.