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wow.. that house is so ugly. i could not live there.. I mean.. where's teh shelves? where the personalisation?

thanks zeo. I wanted to say something like this myself.. but i was not sure if it would be appropriate since i consider myself to be a layman. but i think it is a very good thing to say and works very well.

that's the movie. the enforcer.

I am watching a program on tv. it has a load of kids doing maths. these kids are struggling on simple mental arithmetic. like 29 plus 15... these are mid teens kids. I am shocked at this since they have tv shows like "are you smarter than a 10 year old" I am about average at mental arithmetic. so I find this surprising. I thought about it for a bit and i thik.. yes when they get to my age they will probably be as good if not better at this than most adults. so it's a development thing.. but there has always been this idea being thrown about that kids are naturally smarter. it's a myth. they're not. I'm not trying to discredit anyone. I am just expressing my surprise. I think that the only reason why the kids in "are you smarter than a ten yr old" can answer these questions is becaue it is more fresh in their minds. if you turn hte tables and ask questions that are not taught in schools, you would have the adults answering a hell of a lot more questions correctly.

this is freaking awesome!!! when a small kid fights this good, it makes it so much more impressive!

ok how about "how guyver works" ? now surely there can be no problems? science has a number of definitions. please expand your view a little. when i see a word i do not understand and i feel it is important to help my iunderstanding, I look up the defiition of that word so that i can understand the concept. I do not memorise words. my dyslexia prevents me from memorising things easily, I learn by understanding not by memorisation. I understand a lot of concepts, I just don't know the words. we put this here for all members. a lot of members have questions about how teh guyver works. a lot of the time they would be happy with relatively simple answers. the things you talk about will be way over the heads of most members. 1. Considering that the average time an atom spends at ordinary excited states is on the order of 10 picoseconds (10-8 seconds), and at metastable states for times on the order of miliseconds [Landshoff & Metherell, Simple Quantum Physics, p90], why do you expect the Exceed's electrons to remain in thier bloated orbits for the tens of minutes that they do? energy siphon. 2. A quick modeling of some representitive elements using the Bohr model shows that the binding energies of the electrons reduce by a factor of 20 times. Given that chemistry is largely based on the binding energies of the electron's orbits, why do you expect Sho's biochemistry to remain the same? don't know. can you suggest anything? compensation by more protons perhaps? 3. Since most of the Exceed's atoms are in an excited state, the mass has formed what has called a population inversion. A population inversion (together with the phenomenon of stimulated emission) is the reason why lasers lase. What keeps the Exceed from becoming the biggest laser core the world has ever seen? electromagnetic manipulation. similar to how the gigantic guyver produces an energy field/ barrier. 4. Where do the neutrons come from? neutrons are forms of energy. as talked about in other thread, I believce guyver can create matter from energy. 5. How are the neutrons stuffed en-masse into the individual atoms without supernova level energy densities? I don't see why we can't have those energy densities, but anyhow.. perhaps guyver produces matter by injecting energy into individual atomic compnents causing them to split? 6. A cursory inspection of a nuclide chart reveals that fixing atomic number and increasing mass number reveals a general trend of increasing radioactivity. There is unlikely to be an island of stability in that direction, and every indicator predicts it does not exist that way. Why doesn't Exceed instantly explode into a burst of alpha, beta and gamma radiation? yes i considered this very carefully. I believe that the containment of the EM barrier that guyver gigantic uses.. will allow the radiation to bounce around inside and hit teh electrons and that is what increases their energy state. 7. Consumption of heavy water causes nasty biological effects, due to the fact that deuterium is twice as heavy as hydrogen from its extra neutron. You're proposing ultra-mega-heavy versions of all chemicals. Why do you believe that Sho can survive the change in biophysical behavior of the chemicals he's made of? because he isn't human, he is guyver. guyver is shown to have vastly different biology and for all we know, guyver may be composed of heavy elements anyway. This question is a little more involved, so bear with me. Imagine building a 5x5 grid of tinkertoys connected by the short sticks (all equal length). Let each of the round pieces have a leg extending downward, and let the grid sit on these legs. There are 25 legs, true? Okay, build the same structure but this time at a larger scale, using longer sticks (again, same size). How many legs does the grid sit on. Still 25, right? Use the longest sticks and count the legs. Still 25. Seems clear that no matter how you expand this grid, it's still resting on 25 legs, right? Now, suppose all of these legs are the same strength; say they can support a newton each. Well, since there are 25 legs, it should be able to support 25 newtons, correct? Suppose now that we make a cut through Gigantic's leg and count the individual bonds that go through this area. You will, of course, come up with some gigantanormous number, but let's just call it N. Each of those little bonds has some unnamed strength, exerting a force beyond which the individual bond collapses, and call it s. Logically, the strength of the leg is Nxs = S. Now let Gigantic expand into Exceed. Because of the argument of the grid above, the number of bonds has not changed, so it's still N. Also, you assert that the strength of the bonds has not changed, so it's still s. What is the strength of the Exceed's leg, and how many times greater than the Gigantic's is it? I imagine these legs like little cones. usually the forces are equal on each end, so the cones appear like cylinders. true enough.. but in this scenario.. perhaps the electrons are the same, but if there are more protons, then there is more of a one sided force.. cones may be weak at teh tip perhaps.. but there comes a point where the strength of teh cone is more than sufficient. so this means.. that the electron may be a kind of weak tip... but if you squash it a little bit.. it is still strong enough. this was fun by the way. I do welcome this kind of questioning. it is open, respectful and conducive to further duscussion and new thoughts and ideas.

oh, I should point out that I wouldn't have been looking for this information if dekared hadn't mentioned to me that there was information to be found.

This has now been remedied. the forum is now called guyver theory. we don't need to understand all these words of sceince. ideas can work fine even without the correct terminology. I explain things in a way so that everyone can understand. I use analogy most of the time because it is important for people to understand what i am saying, it is not important to get the itty bitty details correct or do calculatrions or forecasts or analysis or things like that. this is not college or university. this is a public forum focused on entertainment. I don't get "waxed on kindergarten level". it is not my fault you do not read my posts properly or understand what I am saying. my understanding of the way things work is fine. the error is yours. and i say that the error is yours simply because you have not asked me questions about what i have said. you have assumed so much and never actually verified any of your assumptions. It seems obvious to me upon reading this that you have either not understood what i have written or not read it all. I have gone to great lengths to read and understand your posts I thik it's only fair to expect teh same in return. I am dyslexic as well and it is far more difficult to understand when you do not always phrase them elegantly. a few times i have been caught trying to make sense of a sentence or two. I don't see why i should read any of ytour posts when this paragraph makes it plainly obvious that you are not considering all that i have written or trying to understand it. since i quoted this anyway.. I will explain this AGAIN. after that, I will not go into this issue. if it seems you are ignoring what i have written, then i will ignore you in return. The guyver puts more energy into hte electron thereby increasing the energy state of the electron and increasing magnitude. also add more neutrons in order to increase the mass. the atoms being larger... will form the same structures in hte material. since the pull of atomss on each other does not depend on surface area, teh same structure should work at the different scale. this is my idea as i last had it. if you have problems with it, then ask me about it or suggest some things. but i am gettig tired of you dictating science to me without first understanding what i am trying to say.

wyrm, can you please tone down the aggression. I won't ask you again. because we strive for a pleasant atmosphere on this forum and your attitude is making the atmosphere very unpleasant. for the time being I am withdrawing from trying to explain my ideas to you because you don't seem to weant to listen or consider any ideas. you are attempting to break down everything when the spirit of this forum is to be imaginitive and enjoy the discussion. I will only continue this discussion when you are willing to share ideas instead of vying to destroy the things that have been said. this is the GUYVER science lab. not REAL WORLD sceince lab.

certainly, thank you for explaining. unfortunately i cannot accept this for the following reasons. I understand that whilst debating with your peers you do not need to explain everything to them and all you need to do is tell them their idea is tosh and they may understand easily why you would say that. this is not a hotbed of physicists though. there are a lot of regular people from different backgrounds who understand a lot of things, but don't come close to your level. I myself come up with some of these theories and I try to think them through as best as i can. as far as i am concerned it makes perfect sense. so for somebody to arrive and simply write it off without even giving any reasons.. comes across very rude., to you, perhaps it is nonsense, because you know more than I do. tehre may be plenty of things i am not aware of that go against my ideas. but if you simply call it rubbish, then it is going to discourage anybody from coming up with any ideas and discussion ceases. to not even consider the idea, expose it fully to scrutiny, or ask questions etc. is completely inconduscive to discussion. we are here for discussion so I must ask you not to write off ideas without first exploring them or asking questions about them. you may have missed something or misread even. I realise you are looking at this from purely science. It's hard to find a name for this forum that is suitable. but we don;t need to stick with 100% science here. some branches of philosophy are welcome as well. teh only real rule is that we follow logic and that we follow the manga. I will give some more information about teh expanded atoms idea. I did explain a lot of my ideas in a previous post.. but I'll go over some things. I believe tha tan enlarged atom could posess more mass due to extra neutrons. the higher energy level pushes the electrons outwards and pushes the other atoms away to increase magnitude. teh atomic bonding I think is due to gravity acting on mass? the addition of extra mass increses teh bonding and the gravity controllers can easily make teh atoms have more gravity. I believe that in te same way that the momentum enhancers can effectively increase teh momentum of the guyvers punch, the same kind of process could effectively increase molecular cohesion without increasing teh actual weight. I mean.. the guyver can pucnh with a force that is more than could be produced by the guyvers weight and strength.. so in hte same way.. the guyver can be held together in the way of something with a much larger weight than is actually presented. in this case.. my last paragraph.. is not necessary to be expanded atoms or multiplication of atoms.. I think it could work for both.

in my view there's a lot of misdirection here, wether intended or not. the crux of teh matter is teh literature does not state that mater is siphoned through so you cannot say it for sure. it is baseless and thus doesn't hold any ground at all. that is my sole argument. the analogy is a way of explaining what is in my mind, that doesn't make it a fallacy. it just means i don't know all the fancy words you do so I have to find some other way of explaining it. what i am suggesting is that teh way it is siphoned could simply be like a net that only allows energy through. perhaps energy is allowed through in the same way that xrays pass through matter. perhaps teh matter in this universe prevents matter from coming through in the same way as a brick wall doesn't allow you to walk through it. does that explain it enoguh for you? it's just an idea. it's not really that importand because we can't make any asumptions about it. all we can say for sure is that energy comes through. I never once said that it is not possible that matter came through.. I said it is not something you can say for sure since it is not said. if you want to use that as a basis for a theory of any kind, then I believe we can start saying that guyver gains help from angels. because the manga never says he doesn't get help from angels. let's keep this within the realms of what is written and work from there please. that is why we are working from an energy point of view. because that is what we know. we know tha tguyver siphons energy. we know that it can do incredible things with degenerating matter and reconstructing a human body perfectly, cotrolling energy fields. we are told tha tthe guyver reconstructs the body. it makes most sense to base our ideas on the guyvers abilities and only bring in wild theories that are baseless when we have exhausted the options that are more sensible. sorry, I was reading wikipedia. it's not ultra important since it was only a suggestion of the possibilities that have been brought up in some physics. the megasmasher would cause sunburn too but anyway that's irelevant in my view. if the guyver can manipulate that energy, then it won't get any sunburn because it is manipulating the energy. logic really..

please stop saying things like this. it is insulting. these ideas have had very careful thought put behind them. if you do not believe they stand up to scrutiny then of course you have every right to challenge the ideas, but to simply label them as 'bollocks' is way past rude. please remember to respect teh people you are talking to.

all this 'bollocks' is coming from an attempt to explain how XD bypasses the laws of physics. please see below to find an explaination of why XD is violating the laws of physics. in straight forward terms you would think that it is simple, but you can't forget the laws of physics. I thik you are looking from a perspective of atomic physics here... but at a macro level you have to take into account teh structures. if you make a small bridge out of stone it will hold and be very strong. if you make a huge bridge out of stone it is not going to be as effective is it? the materials behave differently at different scales. you add more mass, you have to ACCOUNT for it in hte structure. look at elephants. they are that shape for a reason. this 'wankery' is thought and explaination. it is pursuit of knowledge and therefore is science. yes we have to take a lot of assumptions in ideas like that but that is because teh 'conventional' ideas don't work. simply said, it defies the laws of physics so we have to come up with unconventional ideas. "more atoms" will not cut it. they won't cope with hte increased stress. I would like to point out that zeo has already said a lot of teh things that i wrote. If you don't understand what he said, then please just ask him about it. don't repeat the same questions over again, or repeat the same objections again. we are taking the time to read what you have written, please ensure that you are extending teh same courtesy. once again, if you have done this and I have misunderstood you, I apologise.

ok I'm a little more alert now.. and to be honest I am still finding it difficult to follow... anyway.. I get the impression from a couple of things.. that a coulpe of people think that the guyver is pulling this energy through a little door... but I think that's a little unrealistic. I mean, if we think about it on that terms.. you can pass anything through hte door.. but i think that it may be more like a filter? you know when you make coffee, you put the coffee in hte filter and teh water goes through it. nothing else goes through, just the water. I think it has to be a controlled process.. because if you don't have the filter, you will have all sorts of spillage coming through. also, since we are told that the guyver siphons energy through.. it does not say anything about matter.. so we must assume that it does not draw matter through. if it did draw matter through, it would say so. it's not even necessary to make a big deal about it... it would say that guyver siphons energy and matter. but it doesn't say that.. so we should just forget it. when i said we could assume that there may be matter there.. I was just sayoing that for arguments sake but i don't believe it has any bearing on this discussion whatsoever. anyhow.. guyver can make all sorts of elements. so it has the power of fusion or fission at the very least. we don't know the lemental makeup of the guyver organism.. but this organism can freely replicate itself without the need to feed. we saw one arm turn into an entire body in what seemed like a short period of time. the idea of calling it chi is a good one.. it is also bio energy... but we can also attribute this to hte filtering mechanism i mentioned. ok, I just read a little about perfect conversion.. I liked the part that mentioned monopoles.. this is a kind of particle that will cause protons to fall apart. if you can create a monopole using massive amounts of energy, then you can surely do the other wayaround? it doesn't seem to be such a difficult thing to simply manipulate the massive amount of energy so that it creates protons and electrons. fusion does the rest. I mean... we don't know how much energy exactly that can be siphoned from hte boost dimension... but with a huge concentration of energy you can create matter. thats what happened at the big bang.

I could be wrong, but i feel like you haven't read teh topic fully. because this whole topic was pretty much started by simlar type of calculations that I did in this post - http://www.japan-legend.com/forum/index.ph...ost&p=16097 as i said, I could be wrong and you may be talking about something else. I am a little tired right now.

wyrm, I am sorry your post is quite complicated and I'm tired, I'll read it when i am more fresh, but i must say this. the manga is canon. you can't really make a judgement on how accurate it is.. or how accurate you think it is. what it says is what we have to work with. so we can say for sure that the guyver siphons energy, but we can't say anything else for sure. anything else is pie in the sky.

that paralysis thing looks like borg technology

the guyver is said to siphon energy from the boost dimension. but not matter. sure, we could assume that there may be some form of matter in the boost dimension... but what we know is that it siphons energy. we don't know what type of energy it is. it might be very similar to hte type of energy that makes up atoms. who knows.

it all depends on what kind of energy that is.... i mean energy takes on all sorts of different forms. at it's basic level.. we just need to remember that matter is simply a form of energy. the fields and forces caused by the way the energy is interacting is what makes mass 'solid'. by manipulation of energy fields, I am sure that the guyver can simply create the necessary energy patterns to form atoms. and so on.

that looks interesting.... i'm not sure if i want to believe this concept... but that looks like a miz between, faiz and kiva.

I think it seems better if you see it like this - (I edited it from a kakuranger image)

*WALL OF TEXT CRITS YOU FOR 9999 HP.* kk.. uhm can all that be condensed at all? I can't process that much information. what's the bottom line?

the Guyver units in the films were not the same units as the manga. for a start they looked a heck of a lot different. they activated differently. they had different power output. as far as I can tell, the movie Guyver has some important parts missing. namely the power amps. if sho punched a normal zoanoid, he kills it. remember how he took out those ramotith with a simple punch? the movie Guyver quite obviously doesn't have the momentum enhancers that give sho his powerful punches. the movie Guyver has increased strength, this is true. he is faster, he is stronger, he has most of teh Guyver normal abilities. he doesn't seem to have the hang of the gravity controller but that could simply be due to inexperience. the CM must be inferior, becaue Sho's control medal teaches him how to use some abilities, whereas if sean has a gravity controller, he obviously doesn't know how to use it so his CM must not be capable of teaching him as effectively. as these units are inferior, then hte difference between normal Guyver and zoanoid Guyver must not have been such a big difference. besides that, the unit was damaged and so crane lost because of that. that's my take on it anyway. in actuality, these characters don't occupy the same universe. it's like the 'sliders' version of guyver. but it is always fun to imagine the meeting between the two. sean activates his guyver. "hey, look what i can do!"... sho activates his unit and proceeds to pummel sean into putty.

what the hell? I don't get it.... what's going on with that?