Guyver, Zoaforms and mutants of x-men

[Guest neon medal]

Sorry i may repeat myself via changing the words and such if i do.

Well really silly question and i am sure somewhere someone has asked this but i am not sure where, but what would happen in the world of the Guyver if it was crossed with say x-men or x-men evolution.

Like i know that humanity was created via bioscience and though selective breeding with the aim of survival of the fittest, like with the other creatures the Creators made that way but humanity had the best potential as from what i remember two three things that stuck out were;

1) adaptability- changing and improving when need though there bodies did not do this but the way they went about the problems?

2) breeding- the ability to procreate fast and increase their number.

3) aggressiveness- i think that explains something that the wanted and need in their army.

So for mutant in either x-men reality came about because of the celestials via their sciences, in the Guyver universe i would

Assume either two things that they are a natural evolution because of the Creators and also if there was any alien genetics like breeding between different race. Or the other option would be that one of the Creators experimented in making a group with great powers and abilities, and these would make up a special group within the army like Special Forces.

Enhancing whatever power they gained like enhanced toughness, strength or something like dealing with the mind or energy while the first dealt with the body.

Either way if these abilities started to appear many thousands of years later, with chronos about would they try and create a mutant zoaform that and would you say mutant would be the same as chronos lost numbers in that their powers can't be copied or you get weak and poor copies of the original.

only way to get something close, same or greater would be to breed those with the same powers/abilities.

so would you think they would enhance the mutant abilities thought the zoaform-processing like cain mako aka the juggernaut in evolution awakened his x-gene via magic and not though using the crimson gem, this gene made him super durable and strong thus had to stop.

Him being in the prison tank would be a great temptation to take and change into their soldier, as i would assume that some or most mutant pending on their mutant gene could go toe to toe with either the lower level zoanoids, up to the hyper class and the rare few maybe the zoalord class.

Though what class mutant zoaforms would be i couldn't make a guess at all pending i suppose on the mutant genes power or Abilities it gives.

Like jean grey or prof-x would be something like a overlord class something between the prototype zoalord and a zoalord with the potential of being a full zoalord. but then it depends on if they are fully converted to chronos ideas, as their powers would make them very powerful after processing maybe the level of the leader of chronos.

Thus one could look at mutants and say that they are an unprocessed form of zoanoid with great potential than the standard zoaforms or an alternative with unique powers and abilities.

Now on to the Guyver and mutants would it enhance the powers of a mutant like with any power like jean greys psychic power, quicksilver speed or not enhance them but enhance their normal human base physical power.

Then again could it inhibit their powers like mystiques shape shifting as she does change forms a lot though i don't really see it enhancing it unless increasing her ability to increase mass and density?

As i could see if it did affect powers that cyclops eye beams could be routed to enhance the weapons instead of projecting them through the eyes like normal, this i could see enhancing the beam weapon on the head if he decides to use it.

Enhancing it and when not it would be the same as any Guyver head beam, though it as cyclops eye beams are like a concussive weapons most often and then sometimes cutting so the head beam could have to modes cutting and blunt force?

Interesting thought would what would apocalypse be like if he had gained a Guyver unit instead of making his own bio-armour would it enhance his mutant power. Not enhance it and just go with normal enhancement or inhibit, that or if it did the normal enhancement of physical abilities could he increase from the new level?

seeing as he does have those nano techno-organic virus that enables him to do a lot more that he should could he alter the programming of the control medal. Or repair a damaged unit, or those mutants with technopathy the ability to use machines without the keyboard or normal means to use one, do the same with a control medal?

I am sure there is some forum that this has been asked and answered on that and someone saying that the zoaforms used by chronos are for the psychological warfare and that the battle forms as they are called could just be normal human looking though maybe bigger to incorporate the extra weapons and stuff.

If anyone has any ideas on what i have said on mutants turned in to zoanoids or using Guyver units please post and say it please.

[Aether]

Dude your post is somewhat confusing, though i think i get the jist of it...

1.I think youre saying what would happen if mutants went through the Zoanoid processing?and would they be stronger?

i think if the mutants powers are physical it would probably render there powers useless once they have changed to a zoanoid because there DNA is obviously changed at a base level therefore their DNA structure or genetic ' defects' that cause the mutant powers would change probably turning their powers 'off' and leaving them just as a normal zoanoid

or

if their DNA was able to stay the same through manipulation at processing their powers would just co exsist with their zoanioid powers so they would be a zoanoid with their original mutant power, the Zoaforming is just a manipulation of DNA thus the scientists have to work with what is already there and add 'extras' to manifest at transformation .

These extras arent really 'powers' as such they are only extra muscle mass and biological weapons probably fuelled by biological processes and electrical energy in the body...

so they would be stronger by the fact they had a stronger body and their original power combined i dont think their original powers would be enhanced though.

2.i dont know indepth about x men mutants but if their powers are psychic then its obviously the same as above as far as normal zoanoids and their physical bodies are concerned.

however if we are talking about Zaolord processoing then thats obviously a whole lot different - The Zoacrystals obviously enhance their psychic ability with telepathic and i guess telekenetic manipulation possible of zoanoids...

this means to say that Professor X and Jean Grey would be off the scale with their abilities if someone shoved a Zoacrystal in their head, the mind, well consciousness, is the most powerfull thing in exsistence, its only limits are what it can think of, so i really think that if they didnt need to be processed to recieve the crystals then they would be no need for their bodies to be processed.

(That being said are Jean Gray and Prof X really mutants as far as their bodies DNA goes? i would say that the only part of their being that is mutated is there pineal, pituitary, thalamus,hypothalamus, etc. etc. parts of their brains that makes them psychic....)

3.With regards to Mutants donning a Guyver unit i really dont think it would enhance their powers in anyway if anything probably inhibit them depending on their ability of course, the Bio Boosted Armour is just that isnt it - Armour... a shield for the person inside.

Yes it becomes somewhat of a symbiotte but the only connection it has with the body is the brain through the control medal and the antenna things on the back, so for someone like ( cant remeber his name) the russian guy whos body turns to steel it wouldnt do jack drenn would it ? hed just be steel inside the Guyver suit. for someone like the angel dude maybe the suit would just attach around his wings then youd have a wing flapping flying Guyver - if the gravity orb was knackered! as for cyclops his power flows directly through his optic nerves therefore the optic blasts could only come through the Guyvers eyes if the armour allowed it (if not he might blow his own head up!) the only way the power could be rerouted through the head beam was if he willed it to happen which then leads back to the question how much of the mutants powers are physical and how much is mental??

That being said though if the guyvers legs are chopped off then so is the host's and it obviously regenenerates as does the hosts leg so it really depends where the interaction of the hosts body and the Guyver starts and stops, it seems as if when fighting the Guyver is just armour around the body, but if needs be (like for limb or whole body regeneration)then it interacts on a cellular level- in which case it might be possible for the X mutants powers to manifest 'outside' the Guyver ??????if so then it would enhance the abilities of the Guyver because it would have the mutants power but i dont think the Guyver would nhance the mutants power...... who knows?? - i doubt Yoshiki Takaya has even thought about it that in depth!?!

hope this rambling has answered some of your questions( from my point of view anyway!)

Edited February 16, 2008 by Eether

[Guest neon medal]

well it does help more so with a different point of view if anything.

i was sort of in a rush and sleepy when i wrote that so i wasn't really think that clearly.

from what i understand with the mutants is that it i think all comes down to a gene that they have and other humans don't have, this gene seems to interact with the body or mind in someway causing the person to gain a power of some sort or abilities either in the mind or the body.

the processing side i would assume that the scientist of chronos would try to study the gene and its affect and as you said that the process causes the body to be altered and i would assume that the mind as well to handle the battle form they are being changed into. as such i would think they would try and do some experiments,

one to see if they can change a mutant into a zoaform with out touching the gene and see if they still retain the power or abilities they had before.

the second would be to alter the zoaform to take advantage of whatever power or abilities, then again that could go with the first experiment, so the third would be to make the form to handle the gene in whatever way.

like storm can manipulate the weather so her form would be something along the line of elegen, Pulukshterl and i think there was some other types that are close to what she can do.

i think chronos would try and keep or enhance and would try and do so as some abilities are very useful like logans regeneration and others of such abilities are better than what the enzyme 3 as its regeneration kills it in 2 years so finding a way to duplicate that mutation.

though when i said would they be like lost numbers in that they couldn't be copied, i just remembered that mister sinister cloned jean grey and got something like her though different but then that was just her and so cloning others may be different.

with the thought on jean and prof-X i would think in one aspect changing them into a zoaform would like what i said above in this reply base the form on handling the psychic powers they have. but seeing how they may not go with the plans of chronos i think they would try and seal their memories away and build someone that will follow the zoalords orders and have alot of their powers blocked off until they prove themselves and such.

when i talked about the Guyver unit i was unsure about it as, if you do remember the Guyver boosts a human to equal or surpass most zoanoids though not all, as a human is the base form for the zoanoids which are the battle forms and so are stronger and thus wearing one would boost a normal zoanoid to be more powerful than a human guyver. sort of what guyot was hoping it would do for him thats why he was hunting for a unit and tried to take Guyver 3 off him and failed.

so looking at it in one way the unit would boost the body and maybe the powers pending on what they are but then the c-medal could have some control over them or allow the Guyver form to use the powers or abilities the same way as normal, boost them or shunt them through the guyvers systems in some way like how i said cyclops eye beams boosting the head laser out put to a much higher degree than before . though i did read up on a discussion in the old labs that the Guyver merges its self to the host and so they area around the eye lens are merged with the eyes of the host this being cyclops though it does bring up a point on if the unit would allow the beams out through the lens without control as there would be no red glass covering the eyes or block t until need or as i said shunt it through the head laser.

though like i said above it would be down to the control medal as if you remember back to when Guyver 0 first wore the unit he had weapons and from what reading, watching and hear-say that when the Creators wore the unit they didn't have any weapons. so i was going on that theme that the unit would go with using the genes powers or abilities the person wearing it either enhancing the armour or weapons using it in some way, or allowing whatever the person has to be enhanced, limiting its effects.

though the idea with colossus armoured skin to be the same under the bio plates but then it could merge making it even harder than before.

thats why i was thinking that mutants could be a left over experiment that was never completed as it brings some more to the zoaforms besides what can be engineered in the labs so you wouldn't need to make some weapons in the base form already had something just as good or better. a much faster processing with leanings towards whatever weapons the gene causes and you now have a deadly new soldier for the Creators to use, makes you think tha psychics like jean and prof x would be zoalord material and no need to engineer the zoaform for it.

i also wondered if technopathy with is the machine equivalent of telepathy were a person can talk and even control a machine much like how a telepath would do with organic life, would they be able talk and control the control medal of the guyver.

plus would magneto affect the control medal with his magnetic powers or is it something similar to metal but not?

with all this comes the question could a mutant fight a zoanoid on even terms or would it be down to what type of zoanoid, power/abilities of the mutant and power level plus the experience in using it?

[Aether]

''from what i understand with the mutants is that it i think all comes down to a gene that they have and other humans don't have, this gene seems to interact with the body or mind in someway causing the person to gain a power of some sort or abilities either in the mind or the body.''

so this would be the infamous 'x gene' if its just one gene that is different then it would have to be somesort of a gene that opened up the ability for other genes to mutate, as a singular gene couldnt make all the x powers possible you would need a seperate gene for say beasts hair to be blue, angels wings to grow etc. etc.

i now know what you meant about how the x mutants x gene could be some recessive gene left in the human race by cronos or the Creators that somehow lay dormant, however if the x 'power' that manifested was unpredictable then it would be just random and the scientists would have to workwith whatever power manifested, it seems more logical to just start to build something with intention rather than leave it to pot luck., the randomness could result in a better soldier but it could also lead to a soldier with a laughably useless power..that would make sense as if they did create the x gene it may have been a starting point which they activated but then they couldnt deal with the unpredictability and reverted to just starting fom scratch, with certain battle traits in mind, thus just forgetting about the x gene ( then later through evolution the x gene could have just kick started itself thus creating the mutants)....

all these thoughts are quite open ended as each tought has multiple possibilities behind it!

''i also wondered if technopathy with is the machine equivalent of telepathy were a person can talk and even control a machine much like how a telepath would do with organic life, would they be able talk and control the control medal of the guyver.''

Hmmmmmmm? depends how basic the machine is, esentially everything is somewhat organic as its made of chemicals which are all ultimately possible to manipulate with energy/ consciousness...is the technopathic naturally able to talk to machines (like the kid from Heroes?)or is it a function of the machine to be able to read brainwaves and obey?? - thats kind of getting off the subject though, as i could go on and on...

er... to be honest i dont think that the Guyver is a machine as we know its Biological isnt it ? really its the same as saying can it be talked to and controlled by telepathy - we know the guyvers can talk between eachother not sure about anyone else and that they cant be controlled by the Creators or zoalords so i dont think it would be effected by technopathy either...

''plus would magneto affect the control medal with his magnetic powers or is it something similar to metal but not? ''

It all depends on the basis of the chemicals of the control medal, i dont know what defines a metal as a metal, different metals are more magnetic than others , seeing as the c medal is obviously somesort of substance not known on earth it could be anything and just so happens to look like metal because its shiny! i think we can safely say its not a metal as we know it.

i dont know how far marvel have took it with Magneto, but at a fundamental level everything in our physical reality is made of electric and magnetic waves so theoretically Magneto could control everything physically!!! however for the sake of arguement for a comic book fight i would like to say that Magneto wouldnt be able to just rip out the control Medal otherwise it would be a bit boring wouldnt it!?!

'' could a mutant fight a zoanoid on even terms or would it be down to what type of zoanoid, power/abilities of the mutant and power level plus the experience in using it?''

Dude - answer in the form of a question... you said it all right there its all down to the different factors you said, there are too many variables for there to be even terms, it all depends on the match up.

Edited February 17, 2008 by Eether

[Guest Takara Korteis]

The Controller Unit, as neon medal expressed before, isn't just a powered armor that fits over the host. It is a living organism which bonds to and enhances its host based upon their biology. Thus, a mutant bonding to the armor would experience an increase in their mutant capabilities, because they are powers derived from their mutant genes.

How much of a boost their abilities would receive in boosted form is unknown so anyone who'd decide upon a fan-fiction crossover of X-Men/Guyver would have to decide that for themselves. It could range from bolstering their powers by 10s or even 100s, or even merely grant a percentile increase. Wolverine, I'm sure, would have a healing factor similar to the Hulk's, enabling him to heal so fast he doesn't appear to be wounded in the first place.

As for the Control Medallion the method of its reflection is portrayed similarly to the Hyper-Sensors, Sonic Oscillators and the Gravity Controller, which are all formed from the organic booster organism. I myself believe the CM is composed of some sort of crystalline substance, much like the Zoacrystals implanted in Zoalords. This should then allow it, with time and energy, the ability to repair itself, though unless power was boosted in a manner similar to Alk did with Imakarum, this repair process could take quite some time.

Because of the addition of the Gravity Gyros which enable the Guyver to fly without wings, it's possible it may regress unneeded traits, as it does with the digestive and other internal systems. Thus, in boosted form Angel might not even have wings. Or in Cyclop's case it could prevent his power from constantly being active, allowing him to discharge it from the eyes at his discretion and with much more power than he could before hand.

For powers like Colossus', it might allow him to activate it in boost form to add another layer of defense or could possible set it into an active state when boosting, automatically reinforcing its durability with the tough plating, making it seem a wholely metallic appearing boost being.

All in all though, because it's never happened in the canon Guyver story it can only be guesstimated what would actually occur. And on the case of zoafication of mutants, that would all depend on if Chronos knew the person was a mutant in the first place and even thought to care about the altered genes.

Edited February 20, 2008 by Takara Korteis

[Guest neon medal]

yeah i sort of shot myself in the foot with that part on mutants vs zoanoid whatever type, but then it is really down to how you look at the two if a zoanoid would overwhelm a mutant, as well as would the zoanoid type be tough enough to withstand whatever power or abilities the mutant has to hit, capture or kill?

though i could see the dormant and normal humans thinking zoanoids as being another form of mutants especial those who hate that which is different.

you are right takara the g-unit is by most People seen as a symbiot much like the venom and carnage, though it is controlled and restrained forced into following a set of programs and such.

from what i have seen and read no one has said that it is metal the cm, but it does have that silver shine to it which make you think it is metal, though from what the Creators have used in their works i beginning to think that it is some form of crystal laced with something else.

im not sure but on the part of angel i would think the g-unit would keep the wings and make use of them as either another type of weapon or limb maybe both as i would think the g-unit would make use of anything useful as they could be used as an energy collector to increase the power of any of the weapons or other abilities like healing.

as you did say it was most likely that colossus mutant organic steel would either force the activation of his armour and so merge or merge after though i am not sure if it would increase the base factor as he does gain super strength and such though maybe the same level in speed as he is armoured and heavy, so it should be the same for others but differant.

as those are physical manifitations unlike cyclops and say havok who manipulate energy and others similar so i would assume that when dealing with energy users i would assume that jean type would be included as well would depend on the author, something else and maybe some commonsense.

it may well increase or decrease the power or abilities to a weaker and maybe more manage able level or it could boost them to an even higher level and grant them better control with an option to turn it off or on. be a god send for some one like rogue when they are in boosted form.

that last part about zoanoid mutants i would assume they if they had seen a person using something that is classed as mutant powers/abilities they would study to see how a unprocessed human could do what he or she did. and then check to see if any of those already processed have it as well, then going from there either try and awaken it and see what it is then mold the zoanoid into a form to take advantage.

though as you said they may have not cared before and either find it difficult or impossible to wake the gene or without bad side effects, that and creating a way to pin point down to what type the x-gene is thus to properly mold the form or wake it and then do so.

as there are a few abilities i can think off the top of my head that would be useful like colossus organic steel if it could be copied the x-gene then placed in a gregole, vamore or other low level zoanoids and maybe hyper class even zoalords as it would add an increase to protection and other physical abilities.

then so would wolverines regeneration powers if they could clone that maybe study it and understand how it works they could improve the life cycle of the enzyne 3's or others though it could also be limited as a guyvers weapons would manage to over come it.

though the though of juggernaut turned into one is one thing that goes round my head as they would most likely make him immune to all other types of telepathy except theirs so prof-x would have a very hard time when he is transformed.

[Aether]

Good points Takara , i think in two ways - too realistically and surealistically for this discussion ive been thinking the former... i conccur The boosted armour isnt just armour and does bond with the hosts biology though i still am not sure how much it would enhance the x powers ...

the way i see it is that the only inherent 'power' that the Guyver can enhance of a 'normal' human is that it can make them run faster and punch and kick harder and that is because it enhances the muscles and bones and also amplifies that enhacncement with the leg and arm amplifiers...

As for the X Powers manifesting 'outside' the Guyver it probably would be possible BUT i think the cause would be if the X gene mutates the actual armour rather than the armour mutating the mutated genes further!! in which case you could have all possible powers etc manifesting from the Guyver suits mutated DNA, so you might get mutations of its weapons like insanely powerfull head beams, instant regeneration, the gravity orb may allow them to fly / move close to light speed, the high frequency blades maybe able to cut space/time etc etc...

this has made me think of other stuff related to the Guyver units, seeing as these have nothing to do with x men i have started a new post to discuss them if anyones interested??.....look for this thread in the Guyver Science LabInteraction between The BIO Armour Guyver and Sho + other Life forms, Is the Armour Shos Skin? and other random thoughts

Edited February 22, 2008 by Eether

[*zeo]

Well lets consider the facts...

When the Creators were commenting on Guyver Zero, we learned a few things.

1) The Unit Bio-Boosts Humans 10x more than they do the Creators.

2) Creators don't have Mega Smashers with the Unit since they were totally surprised when Guyver Zero used them.

3) The Unit's natural function is to Bio-Boost and amplify the potential of its host.

4) The complex nature of the Bonding process, allowing for an instant remodeling of the host biology indicates the host DNA is assimulated into the Unit to basically create a hybrid life form. Consequently this means the unit can instantly adapt to any host and assimulate itself and the host into a new combined life form.

Adds those together and it does indeed mean a mutant would produce a Guyver with enhanced mutant abilities.

The Bio-Boost alone, which infuses the host with a massive amount of energy, would significantly boost the power of a mutant if nothing else.

However, on the matter of zoaforming a mutant... Mutants DNA is usually not that easy to alter, at least when compared to normal humans. In fact they are immune to many genetic modifiers that would rapidly turn a human into goo, etc.

Like in the movie, Magneto's attempt to turn humans into mutants had no effect on existing mutants. Basically the mutant gene does cause mutations but they are evolutionary in nature and the genome is otherwise very stable.

So the zoaforming process would either have no effect or would cause rapid and random mutations.

Consequently I think in most cases Chronos would just write them off as either Lost Units or outright failures, since mutant DNA would respond very differently to modification than human DNA would.

Some, like Wolverine, would even just reject the modifications and return to normal.

[Guest neon medal]

so would the unit channel any energy projection like cyclopes and havok to name but a few through the already present energy weapons, combine the energies of the host with the energy weapons, or all weapons giving them a different effect than normal.

or allow the use through the normal gathering and projection point like hands and eyes, then the other option was both powering the head laser or mega smasher.

so a telepath or psychic like psylock or sage would get her abilities boosted by how much? would it approach the level of a zoalord, would a zoalord be more powerful than some or most psychics as the zoalord is or would it need to be reprocessed to a higher degree to match or surpass one?

well that was the reason why i said that mutants could have been an experiment by the Creators in making something like what chronos has made with the hyper zoanoids and zoalords, sort of having your common stock animals and then your premium stock. one made into the basic foot soldier and the other into your elites and pending on the abilities what type of use they would be put to in the army.

so i would assume that chronos would have a harder time getting a mutant zoaform retaining the mutant ability like it was without it weakening or mutating into something else other than what they were after. why well as it was said that chronos is basing much of the technology from what they glen from the nav orbs and that they haven't gotten everything but they have gain enough to do what they have done with now, this in my option would leave a opening for a greater level of technology and such still to be found and by which more powerful zoaforms could be created or made from existing humans or mutants.

as if i understand hyper zoaforms are either harder or very difficult to be made so a mutant one would be very difficult and that is i assume if they go for keeping the xpower whatever it is without modifying it or making the form able to handle or make better use of the xpower, then they may just get rid of it.

well magneto's attempt was more of a quick and dirty way of getting normal humans to mutate into mutants as you said in the movie that humans evolved into mutants so had a chance to stabilize the genome or matrix while magneto's way didn't give humans the chance to stabilize as the effect of the fast evolution caused by the energy was still effecting them hence the brake down.

with wolverine i would think its like the Guyver unit regeneration in that his healing factor is rebuilding his body to the way it was via dna or genome blue prints, so to effectively change wolverine into a zoaform they would have to disable his x-gene change the blue prints to except the zoaform and then after changing him reactivate the gene and sit back and watch an see if it worked if so then you have a zoaform of high healing abilities if not well the x-power would start undoing the changes.

but if you remember that the high evolutionary did effect wolverine into making him into an animal like his name and i think the same with beast as well so i would think that it would be possible to do and keep the xpower, though i think mister sinister and apocalypse and other could effect the x-gene allowing for enhancing the power level, control or causing another mutation a secondary with different xpowers.

so i would say it would be very hard but in a future event a possibility that chronos would/could be able to use mutant zoaforms though it would have to be a world that had such or if mutants came into the Guyver universe.

[Guest neon medal]

well i found a description on technopathy which i asked about earlier if someone with this ability could interface with the cm and other creator tech and here it is

"Technopathy

Ability to manipulate technology. It could manifest as a special form of electrical manipulation, a special form of shapeshifting which allows physical interaction with machines, or even a special form of ESP that allows for mental interface with computer data."

from what that gives i would assume it would be a possibility pending on what they have.

that and would the Guyver still allow the form of the host to change like instead of a hand it becomes a tentical or a mouth with teeth?

[*zeo]

Powers will vary, exactly how much the unit can boost a mutants power is up to debate an each individual's opinion. Psionic powers aren't really physical dependant in the Marvel Universe, which is why they can be limitless. But as far as the body is concerned the Guyver can significantly boost energy reserves, etc.

well magneto's attempt was more of a quick and dirty way of getting normal humans to mutate into mutants as you said in the movie that humans evolved into mutants so had a chance to stabilize the genome or matrix while magneto's way didn't give humans the chance to stabilize as the effect of the fast evolution caused by the energy was still effecting them hence the brake down.

It was more than that, the mutated humans didn't have the mutant gene. The one responsible for normal mutants, AKA the X-gene. So that is what left the human mutatants unstable.

the high evolutionary did effect wolverine into making him into an animal like his name and i think the same with beast as wel

I said mutant DNA was harder to manipulate, not impossible but the High Evolutionary also evolved Galactus, a cosmic being, so I think he outclasses even the Creators on that scale. He even created his own world. Something not even the Creators could pull off.

This compared to the very primitive methods, in comparison, that Chronos has at its disposal. Using retro-viruses and such to manipulate DNA.

For example, all Mutants are immune to the AIDS virus, as revealed in an issue of X-treme X-Men. Not to mention advance genetic infections like Phalanx and Sublime. Really, as far as I can remember only the Legacy Virus was ever really deadly against mutants and only because it directly attacked the X-Factor.

As for Aliens being the source of mutants, that is possible since the official source of the X-Factor was the Celestials.

You just replace them with the Creators and/or combine them.

Though the existence of Omega Level Mutants, those easily as power if not more so than Zoalords would make it hard for Chronos to take over in the first place. So there would be a lot of re-evaluating needed to make it work realistically.

[alkanfel009]

creo que siendo francos el tomar a un mutante y convertirlo en un zoanoid, le daría sin duda una gran ventaja , si se descifra el enigma de el gen x los creadores podrían tener en sus manos la llave a un gran poder , pero en contraste con la unidad guyver , creo que se presenta un nuevo problema , piensen en mutantes como profesor x, y jeen grein , con una unidad g que ampliase sus poderes serian mas poderosos que los zoalords, esto es porque la unidad guyver , amplifica todas sus avilidades, de esa forma , seria como si un zoalord tuviese un guyver a su dispocicion ,

[*Jess♥]

hello alkanfel009, welcome to the community

here is what i got from that,

I think being open to taking a mutant into a "Zoanoid" he would no doubt a great advantage if you decrypt the enigma of the gene x creators could get their hands the key to a great power, but contrast to "Guyver unit," I think it presents a new problem, think of mutants as "Professor X", and Jean Grey, a unit g to expand its powers would be more powerful than "zoalords", this is because the "Guyver unit" amplifies all abilities, thus, would be as if a "zoalord" had a "Guyver" in his possession,

if possible, can you please post in english. most members will not understand spanish.

[alkanfel009]

hello alkanfel009, welcome to the community

here is what i got from that,

I think being open to taking a mutant into a "Zoanoid" he would no doubt a great advantage if you decrypt the enigma of the gene x creators could get their hands the key to a great power, but contrast to "Guyver unit," I think it presents a new problem, think of mutants as "Professor X", and Jean Grey, a unit g to expand its powers would be more powerful than "zoalords", this is because the "Guyver unit" amplifies all abilities, thus, would be as if a "zoalord" had a "Guyver" in his possession,

if possible, can you please post in english. most members will not understand spanish.

pues tienes rason es un problema pero yo casi no hablo nada de ingles es un problema

[*Jess♥]

so I see the problem is you cannot speak much english.

ok.

that is a problem

[alkanfel009]

pues que tengo muchos prollectos de la serie de the guyver pero lñamentablemente aca en latino america y el resto de las millones de personas de abla hispana casi nadie conose la serie de the guyver

como estos

http://www.buenaisla.com/tema-prollecto-guyver-para-game-maker-38363

[odin]

Bienvenido a nuestro foro, yo creo que soy de los pocos que sabe español aqui asi que servire de traductor si necesitas algo.

pues que tengo muchos prollectos de la serie de the guyver pero lñamentablemente aca en latino america y el resto de las millones de personas de abla hispana casi nadie conose la serie de the guyver como estos

He says that he has a lot of projects that are guyver related but unfortunately there are not that many people who know about the guyver who reside in latin america or are Hispanic.

[*Jess♥]

thanks Odin

I'd love to see more. I was sent an adaptation by PM and it is very good.

I'm happy for anyone to visit the forum, I'm just concerned about needing to translate posts all the time XD

do you think google translation is any good for this?

[odin]

it is good but only if the person using it has proper grammar, some words in Spanish can mean lots of things in English, but i don't think it could be a problem.

[alkanfel009]

volviendo al tema de las adaptaciones de los zoanoids con el factor mutante creo que si se puede conseguir aislar capacidades individuales de los mutantes y se les da una mejora con una forma de zoanoid serian mucho mas poderosos y eficaces, como ejemplo wolverin , con la fuersa de un livertus y sables sonicos en lugar de sus 3 garras normales, si aumentamos su fueras física junto con sus instintos y su capacidad de regeneración tan rápida seria mucho mas eficaz

de ese modo tables se pueda conseguir mejorar a los zoalords para darle capacidades extras como purgstall con tormenta

Turning to the adjustments to the zoanoids with mutant factor I think if you can get individual capabilities to isolate mutants and are given a form of improvement would be much more powerful Zoanand effective, for example Wolverine, with fuersa a sonic livertusand swords instead of the 3 normal claws, if we increase yourphysical you were together with their instincts and their capacity to regenerate as fast would be much more effective

tables thus could be improved to give the zoalords Purgstallcapabilities with extras like storm