Mirabilis Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Ok, I grew up in the 90's with the Ocean dub of DBZ first then the funi version. I grew up with Faulconer's scores and I really love them, always did. There were just certain scores that would play and you would know things were about to go down. It really captured the intensity of fights and the moments and I just don't understand why so many people dislike him. I mean there's the Ginyu Force theme, Ginyu's Transformation (the Death) theme, Pikkon's theme, Vegeta's theme, Piccolo's theme, Time Chamber theme and so many others. And yet, so many LOVE the Japanese OST which are truly aweful! I mean most Japanese OST's are incredible, Bleach's OST for example is one of my favorites, as well as Guyver: OVA's but DBZ's makes me gag. I mean how can you even compare these two? Faulconer's really plays up the moment, I just don't know why so many people hate it and love the others. I would love it if they had the option in the remastered edition to have Faulconer's music rather than just the original OST.Faulconerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmvRJOHMhawKaihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxq40ZuPvIs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabilis Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 Here's another comparison, one of the most intense movements in all of DBZ history, and people would have me believe that Faulconer's is horrible while Kai's is brilliant? Just watch both of these clips and tell me which one you think captures the emotional intensity the most. Kai Original Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H222G981 Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) I will say the original American dub, and the music was good. I hated Kai. I'll always side with the original series. Kai in my humble opinion was crap. Everything was garbage about it. I didn't care for Kai at all. I just felt it was just an unneeded project or just another product. Reason why I look at it from this perspective is because Dragon Ball Z, the original already exists and Kai was just cut scenes and the rest of it was copy and paste. I actually enjoyed some of the original's filler content. But as a whole, no. I didn't like Kai one bit. If they had done what Kai had done back when it was being produced to follow the manga closely instead of adding all that filler. Than I would treat it today as though it were the original. Its just one of those things thats a little bit too late. It seemed really half ass to me more than anything. If they wanted to do a remake using different artists for the entire series. I'm open to that. But using existing clips and new voice actors? No, that just didn't work for me as a fan. They were going off what already existed to market the original series. I saw Kai nothing more than crappy promotion material and all in all. Garbage. I loathed the new voice acting especially Frieza's terrible voice acting replacement. The original wasn't broke, so I had no idea why they thought they could fix it. I think Hollywood and some anime studios need to adopt the concept that if its not broke, don't fix it. Edited June 13, 2015 by Jupiter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Jess♥ Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 I like the original. and when I say the original, I mean the original Japanese. not kai, and not a redub. although i have to skip the stuff that isn't in the manga. I kinda liked what they did with kai, that was until I started watching the original and found it to be so much better. people say dragonball was bad for drawing stuff out.. but I don't agree. if you want to see a series that drags stuff out, that is Naruto. that anime is appalling. I understand that dragonball holds a lot of nostalgia for people who used to watch it as a kid and is used to english voices. but I grew up in the uk with standard terrestrial channels and that was if I was lucky to get control of the tv. (family of 7) There was no way I ever would have gotten to watch dragonball when I was a kid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Mefilas Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 I love both the original Japanese and English versions. Even some of the filler is worth watching like Vegeta and Nappa on planet Arlia, some of the stuff that happens to Gohan while he's living on his own, King Vegeta getting killed by Frieza, seeing how Vegeta went super saiyan for the first time and most of the fight between Goku and Majin Vegeta is actually filler despite how awesome it is. I even have a soft spot the rubbish stuff like the Garlic Jr. saga. Kai is just a shameless attempt to get more money out of the series. The only good thing to come out of it was the more accurate dialog for the english dub and even thats not enough to make me buy it. I did however by the Kai Frieza saga purley because I wanted to see how good Frieza's new voice actor was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorLaser Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Original because Faulconer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durendal Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I have never seen a dubbed version of Dragon Ball that you all speak of. So if you say Dragon Ball anime, what comes to mind was the voice of Masako Nozawa. As for how the anime was developed, I really enjoyed the original Dragon Ball. The one where Goku is still a kid and was training with Krilin with Master Roshi. Those were the good times. As for Z, although the animation was much sharper, plot development-wise, it was dull. Sure, watching it for the first time was a really exciting moment, but once you've watch it, my hands were itching to press the forward button. I mean come on, how many episodes do you need to charge up? As for Kai, I've never really considered it to be a serious anime. As mentioned, using cut and paste doesn't really sit well with the masses, especially if their goal was to introduce the franchise to a new and younger audience. I felt that this was the true embodiment of milking a series to death. Sure, it may have been the source of funding the new Dragon Ball Super that's coming out (or was it out already), but it remains to be seen how well it will fare against the countless anime that was its progeny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*LordNemesis Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I love the original Japanese version of Dragon Ball Z, but I also love the new English dub for Kai. Both Frieza's Japanese and new English voice actors are simply amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabilis Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 I can't stand the new Frieza voice myself, it's horrible imo. I may be biased but to me it's not Frieza, and it's really weird. I really liked the old Funi voice for Frieza, the same voice actor who did Genki in Yu Yu Hakusho. To me, it showed more of a sinister side of Frieza. The evil tyrant and power was hidden behind the voice. It also made him more alien like and "different" with a male body but older female voice. I dunno. I don't like ANYTHING about or from Kai. I kind of hate it with a passion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*ScottmanXIII Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 So is Original vs Kai just remastered with with new dubs? Yes it will need spelling out for me :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Mefilas Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) So is Original vs Kai just remastered with with new dubs? Yes it will need spelling out for me :-) Pretty much but they've also cut out a lot of the filler a swell. They have also re-drawn some of it to like this. Goku's Kaio-Ken looks awful in Kai Edited July 4, 2015 by Lord Frieza 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*ScottmanXIII Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 So I finally got around to watching Dragonball Z, I'm watching the Kai version I've gotten to episode 40 something, Goku just burried Vegeta and has starting round 1 with Freiza. Enjoying it so far. Will I miss any 'must watch' scenes by not watching the original. *Please avoid major spoilers* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Mefilas Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) So I finally got around to watching Dragonball Z, I'm watching the Kai version I've gotten to episode 40 something, Goku just burried Vegeta and has starting round 1 with Freiza. Enjoying it so far. Will I miss any 'must watch' scenes by not watching the original. *Please avoid major spoilers* Hmm not really, the most noticeable thing you would have missed would have been stuff that happened during the year the heroes are training for the saiyans. While most of it isn't that good there were some episodes that were very interesting such as Goku falling off of snake way and seeing what lays beneath those yellow clouds or his encounter with a mysterious person when he reaches the halfway point. Some of Gohan's earlier filler shows why he's becoming more mature, Goku learns about his heritage from King Kai and the rest of the fighters on earth get a very eye opening experience while training with Kami. You also missed what Nappa did when they stopped to wait for Goku. The Frieza Saga really didn't have much in the way of interesting filler because the arc in the manga was much more complete whereas the Saiyan Saga felt a little rushed. The only really big bits of filler happened on the way to namek were our heroes encounter an invisible ship full of refugees and a planet that appears to be Namek.You also have story involving Bulma and some of Frieza's weaker soldiers. Kai may (can't remember) also have cut out a ratheir tense scene from Goku's training for Namek. Its filler but of the best possible kind. The hard part is trying to tell you which bits are worth watching and which bits aren't because their are so many little character moments scattered throughout. Edited November 28, 2015 by Prometheus Guyver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*ScottmanXIII Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Maybe I should just go with ignorance is bliss? I'm at ep 60 now - the Androids have just arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Mefilas Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Maybe I should just go with ignorance is bliss? I'm at ep 60 now - the Androids have just arrived. Well it is filler (interesting filler but filler all the same) so it wont effect your experience of the main plot that much if you dont watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorLaser Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Faulconer's scores were amazing! I've recently been buying the original uncut seasons on Blu-ray and I much prefer them to Kai. While Kai did cut out a lot of filler and powering up, it just wasn't what I grew up with. And I actually enjoyed a lot of the filler, especially when Gohan was training with Piccolo during the Saiyan saga. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Mefilas Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Faulconer's scores were amazing! I've recently been buying the original uncut seasons on Blu-ray and I much prefer them to Kai. While Kai did cut out a lot of filler and powering up, it just wasn't what I grew up with. And I actually enjoyed a lot of the filler, especially when Gohan was training with Piccolo during the Saiyan saga. I feel the same way however I did buy the Kai Frieza Saga just for Frieza's new voice. However Kai is the best way for people to refresh themselves on Dragon Ball because its covers all the major story point in a much shorter space of time. To watch the original DBZ series in full, start to finish without time off work will literally take weeks! And that's without including the original Dragon Ball, it's filler, all the movies (19 in total), specials (4) and GT if your a completionist. And don't forget we also now have Super. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*ScottmanXIII Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Just finishing up 97 of Kai, that's the end of the cell saga. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannibal Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) Despite a lot of screaming fillers, I like the original Japanese DBZ better than Kai. There are a lot of moments in Kai where they cut it so roughly that you can see/feel some parts of the removed events. Maybe I like the original just because of that weird feeling. I never watched English version. And I watched DBZ just ~half year ago, so no nostalgia involved. Edited December 6, 2015 by Cannibal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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