Guyver 2 Guyver 2's damaged control medal

[Guest Jupiter]

So had Sho never killed Guyver 2 while Lisker was suffering from the Unit glitching from its dent. Would Lisker have been killed by the unit itself later down the road?  I'm just wondering had he lived longer, would he or would he not suffered from using the damaged unit? I'm thinking any number of things that could go wrong might happen to Lisker.

[*ScottmanXIII]

I recon the damaged medal was equivalent to either a heart condition or blood pressure problem in a human.

Life expectancy would be dependant on a calm lifestyle.

The minute he lost it game over.

[*V Guyver]

I think he could have persisted for a while, but that one single flaw really left him vulnerable. Later down the line, he would of eventually of met his end. 

[Guest Jupiter]

seems in the 2005 anime that everytime Guyver 2 fired off his mega smasher, the unit would  freeze up and cause Lisker to twitch and convulse while the medal would spark  and go hay wire. Also in the anime, Lisker was puzzled as of why he had a black out after the damaged Unit glitched on him.

 

I wonder though. Had Lisker ever lost any limbs or took immense damage. I'm not sure his G-Unit would have been capable of repairing itself or him. Seems the Unit was really way messed up.

[oogeej]

I like to imagine that if Lisker hadn't had such an ego he would've been a halfway decent ally for Sho and co (hey, a rhyme!) but would probably be none-too-reliable, what with his morality as questionable as Agito's and, indeed, his unreliable control medal. I imagine if he kept loyal to the good guys he would've lasted up to Mount Minakami. I imagine he would've had an Obi Wan death there whether he wanted to have one or not.

[Guest Jupiter]

I really thought Lisker/ Guyver 2 was one of the coolest looking Guyver's there was. I even liked his design and yellow/ gold color. Is it just me or did he intend to activate the unit?

[*Chernaudi]

I don't think that he actually meant to, but he certainly took full advantage of his situation. 

[Lord Uziel]

The guyver design I like most is the guyver 0, the one used by the creators for the first time on a human.

I think that eventually lisker would have realized that his damaged control medal meant a guyver not at its full ability and power. useless. I always wondered what would have happened if Lisker were a zoanoid... and not only human... zoanoid + guyver ...omg...

[Guest Jupiter]

The guyver design I like most is the guyver 0, the one used by the creators for the first time on a human.

I think that eventually lisker would have realized that his damaged control medal meant a guyver not at its full ability and power. useless. I always wondered what would have happened if Lisker were a zoanoid... and not only human... zoanoid + guyver ...omg...

 

In the 2005 anime. Lisker hit Sho with the Mega Smasher, the only thing it did though was stun Sho more than anything. I guess, if his control medal had not been damaged. I think his energy weapons probably would have put out a lot more energy. If I'm correct, I'd have to say the control medal is supposed to regulate power to the unit and since Lisker's G-Unit was damaged. I'd imagine that things weren't running properly and that Lisker's energy output  wasn't near as strong compared to Sho's complete non damaged G-Unit. It also makes sense why Lisker's unit glitches and causes him to freeze up and have convulsions because I think his Mega Smasher must throw the control medal off every time he uses too much energy.

[*Jess♥]

he didn't hit him with a megasmasher. he'd be dust.

he only fired it off as a demonstration.

[Guest Jupiter]

he didn't hit him with a megasmasher. he'd be dust.

he only fired it off as a demonstration.

 

Oh, I thought he got hit by it in the anime. Thats right though. The megasmasher is really powerful.

[*V Guyver]

Nah, he missed. Though it looked like Sho was going to be caught, but being the arrogant guy Liskar is, he let him go to demonstrate his power. After all, he had orders to secure the unit intact and alive himself. 

[*ScottmanXIII]

OK imagine if Guyver II wasn't damaged and Lisker remained loyal to Cronos - events would play out very differently.

I'd love to have seen Guyvers II & III really go at it.

[*V Guyver]

I was really hoping for that fight in the anime. Instead we just see G2 give another beatdown again with some nice brutal punches.... then malfunction and die a villain's death, even including a last rising hand in the air. 

[*YoungGuyver]

If he had made it to Mina Kami, do you think the Relic would have repaired the control metal?  I mean, creator tech has shown the ability to manipulate the metals when necessary.  I wonder if there is an auto repair function in the ship.  It somewhat makes sense.

 

If Lisker had survived the battle with Sho, it would have been interesting if he were called to Mina Kami directly.  He would have had first opportunity of entering the Relic, and securing it for Chronos.

[The Crimson Guyver]

Possibly, I believe if Lisker survived until Mina Kami and he was still loyal to Chronos at that point (highly doubtful from his posturing in the anime.) that Guyot would've caught him off guard with the Remover. A simple "Lisker would you please follow me for a moment." from Guyot would've got him. But I think Lisker after the destruction of Chronos Japan's building would've gone rogue in some aspect. Possibly stayed with Chronos but used the unit to gain a higher position (Not knowing about the 12 lords though would be a mistake.)

[*V Guyver]

He knew about Zoalords, just never learned the scope of their power. 

[*Jess♥]

If he had made it to Mina Kami, do you think the Relic would have repaired the control metal?  I mean, creator tech has shown the ability to manipulate the metals when necessary.  I wonder if there is an auto repair function in the ship.  It somewhat makes sense.

I really love how you say that.  it never crossed my mind before.

mina - everyone.

kami - gods.

[*V Guyver]

Like Young Guyver's idea. A repair function might be standard. Also, never knew the meaning of the Mountain. 

[*Jess♥]

there is a real mount minakami and I haven't checked the meaning of the kanji, but it may well have been chosen by Takay sensei for that reason.

[*YoungGuyver]

I don't think the control metal can repair itself; well, not the Guyver control metal anyways.  But all control metal tech we've seen seems to run under the principal of making the will of the host a reality within the constraints of whatever it's plugged into.  The Relic had a unit storage and remover room.  Why not have this room repair metals as well?  Though to be honest, if the unit were still bonded, I think being in the command room would make more sense.  That way perhaps the Nav spheres could control your armor while it repairs your metal.  Possibly not possible though, I mean, what if the Nav spheres must interact -through- your metal?

 

There is just so much we don't know, but speculating is fun

[*Jess♥]

think abut it though, it doesn't much matter what happens to the body, in this system the control metal is paramount. when shou got atomised by the megasmasher, the nav spheres collected his CM and protected it and allowed him to rebuild. so when the CM is interfaced with the nav spheres, they could in essence turn it off while storing its data. the body might go mental and start mutating etc, or it might be held in stasis somehow or whatever, but it wouldn't matter, it would result in a reboot. I'm even thinking... what if the nav spheres could ditch the faulty CM and replace it with a fresh one? The data could be transferred and it would be like nothing ever happened.
we've been down this path before haven't we?

[*Chernaudi]

Perhaps the best way to think of the control medal is a really tiny, ultra-powerful, living supercomputer.  We've seen it with Sho not only regenerate his body to the state it was before he got "killed", but it restored his memories up to the point of his apparent death.  It also controls the regenerative abilities of the Guyver armor itself in the event of lost limbs, for example. 

 

And then there's the link up it had with the nav spheres with both Sho and Agito.  It was able to take in and store immense amounts of information and assisted Sho and Agito in terms of processing and understanding it. 

 

And we have to remember that it's tentacles does attach and interface themselves into the host's brain when he's in the armor.  Am I right in thinking that the CM is interacting with the host's brain though electrical signals, namely the ones that our brains naturally generate to cause us to do everything we do?  Basically, the tentacles are like nerve pathways that link the host to the armor.  That's also probably where Sho and Agito were able to develop the gigantic armors and Sho the Gigantic Exceed.  I'd have to say that in that way Young Guyver is def. right in that the CM can also process and interpret the host's wishes and desires and formulates adaptions to them.

[Mirabilis]

 That's funny because in my fanfiction of Guyver I actually used that same exact concept. Only in my fanfiction Lisker doesn't survive and make it to the relic but Tetsuro picks up Guyver II's control metal after his death and gives it to Sho before entering the relic to return it to the ship. The ship then takes it from Sho imediately and repairs it. Of course, that's just a fanfiction but I really liked it and wanted to bring back my favorite Guyver. In my fanfiction I also have the Gigantic armor as it's own suit located in the relic, they were the creators battle armor not just space suits like the Guyvers or fusions of the spheres. Anyways, I just thought it was a bit neat to see others coming up with that same idea. 

[*V Guyver]

Well then Unit seems to be four elements:

1: Organic Body
2: Metallic Structure Shell
3: Segregated Processor and Memory in Shell
4. Bio-Organic Nerves running through all this and connecting the organic material to the processor.

Seems that the creators created simple structure, but a complex interface and function. They likely had repair and reprogramming for all their systems. We just haven't seen it all. So far we've seen an erasing/reboot system in the Remover. A storage room system, and the external media interface system with the Nav Spheres. We never did see a repair system. 

The Guyver unit is a mostly self contained system with safe faults and repair functions. It has surprisingly good durability when deployed in combat,even the metal. But very vulnerable when not deployed. I think overall, you have to be removed from the unit before you can repair it. Considering how delicate a damaged unit becomes, a threat to the host's stability, it likely would of been best to remove and then repair it. I think that was what the creators had in mind, and makes sense. You don't start repairing armor while wearing it, and you don't want to try and run critical systems until you've fixed buggy software.