Edge of Tomorrow (All You Need is Kill)

[durendal]

So why am I starting a topic about a Hollywood film in a subforum that is supposed to be for topics related to Japanese Drama/anime/games/etc.?  Quite simply, because the movie was inspired from the Japanese light novel, All you need is kill.  It also has a manga to it.  

 

Despite my abhorrence to Hollywood takes on Japanese franchise, recently I've learned to be a little forgiving of them.  Although I have not seen the movie yet, I'm here to talk about the original source.

 

I have to say that it has a great story.

 

On a side note, at least the name change are minimal.  To my knowledge, they only changed the name of the main protagonist, from Keiji to Cage, which is kinda close if you asked me.  Still kinda iffy seeing Tom Cruise though.  And the metal jackets are so fugly.

[Aether]

well all sorts of other topics seem to be started in the Japanese entertainment section nowadays that aren't to do with Japanese Drama/anime/games/etc. so why not join the trend...

 

anyway I had no idea this film was based on a manga , that makes me want to see it even more... however now I am conflicted - I feel I should read the manga before  seeing the film.

[durendal]

This actually started as a light novel way back in 2004.  The manga was started last January 2014 and have been concluded just recently.  And do note that the artist is Obata Takeshi, the same artist who drew Death Note.  I've already read the manga and I currently have the light novels.  They do say that the manga is very accurate to the novel.

[durendal]

Ok, I just realized, that after reading the manga, it will most likely ruin the movie for me.  I would think that you should watch the movie first before reading the manga.  I've checked the wiki for Edge of tomorrow and it ends somewhat differently from the manga.  

[Guest Jupiter]

Yeah, I saw that preview in theaters. I don't know what to think yet.

[Aether]

Ok, I just realized, that after reading the manga, it will most likely ruin the movie for me.  I would think that you should watch the movie first before reading the manga.  I've checked the wiki for Edge of tomorrow and it ends somewhat differently from the manga.  

 

thanks for the warning Durendal

[durendal]

Well, I just saw the movie last night, and it was okay.  There were funny moments, and it was actually interesting for someone who has no interest in sci-fi.  Although it did diverge differently from the novel on the later parts, it actually captured the essence of the novel.  I never really liked Tom Cruise, but I did happen to like this movie.

[Guest Jupiter]

I know I'll like the movie. It got pretty good reviews. I really enjoyed Tom's last movie, Oblivion. About an alien computer that comes and attacks the earth. Pretty sweet.

[*guyverfan]

i really enjoyed this movie, i actually watched it twice.

guess it was because it's been so long since i've seen an original movie like this instead of the same old movies and storylines hollywood tends to just regurgitate.

obviously someones seen how well original idea's created from japanese manga can be adapted to the big screen.......umm....guyver next please......

 

i wonder if it would of felt better without the happy ending?

[durendal]

i really enjoyed this movie, i actually watched it twice.

guess it was because it's been so long since i've seen an original movie like this instead of the same old movies and storylines hollywood tends to just regurgitate.

obviously someones seen how well original idea's created from japanese manga can be adapted to the big screen.......umm....guyver next please......

 

i wonder if it would of felt better without the happy ending?

 

Perhaps you might like to try reading the novel.  If that's too troublesome, they did adopt it into a manga.  it's titled: All you need is kill, and it's already completed.  Although I'm not sure about scanlations.  It has a very different ending, and the way the time loop works have a slight bit of a change.  

 

The movie is actually called "All you need is kill" in Japan, naming it after the original material.  And the lead character is Keiji, which has an uncanny sound like when a Japanese say "Cage".  And "Cage", despite the change from Keiji, is still official, you'll understand when you finish the manga.  I think the manga is only 15 chapters long.

[*guyverfan]

thanks durendal, i'll definitely look into to it,

i heard that the original writer is penning a sequal.

also that aparently in japan, they serve you free green tea after a meal.

[durendal]

thanks durendal, i'll definitely look into to it,

i heard that the original writer is penning a sequal.

also that aparently in japan, they serve you free green tea after a meal.

 

Haha, you sly dog.  You've already read it.  So how did you find the original material versus the Tom Cruise version?  Although I liked how things worked in the novel version, I kinda like how the Tom Cruise version ended.  Plus, the metal jackets were way cooler in the original version, not to mention the bigass axe.

[*guyverfan]

still reading through the manga actually,

have just ordered the novel in english, so i'll be waiting for awhile untill that arrives. i'll try to read through it during my meal breaks, so it'll take awhile to finish.

just to see if there's any difference between the novel and manga. read somewhere that the manga is pretty true to the novel with just small differences.

 

i too didn't mind the movie ending, but wonder if it would of been better ending it when he was floating dead in the water?

the axe looks great in the manga but the bigass one used in the movie was awesome, especially with emily blunt wielding it.

although it looks more like an anime sword than an axe in the movie was fine with me as i'm abit of a sword man.

[*guyverfan]

ok, just finished the manga and enjoyed it.

the ending was alittle different than expected, does this mean keiji no longer loops when killed? as it was said that rita fought allover the world but would only loop once per battle.

 

which kind of reminds me about the movie, it was the blood of the omega that entered cruise at the end, so does that mean he has the power to reset time whenever he wants?or was it just the one time? and why the reset was all the way back to the beginning and not just at the army base?

 

just had a thought, would love to see a prequel to the movie about rita's loops and battles. would love to see emily blunt going crazy with that battle axe/sword.

[durendal]

I think the setup here would be similar to Highlander.  There can be only one.  Initially, killing the server would end the battle.  Since both Keiji and Rita have been influenced by the loop, they are now considered as the server.  So as long as of both of them are alive, there is no way to move forward from the time loop.  The ability to time loop are already part of them, and the reset can be done each time a battle starts with their death being the trigger.  It's a bit confusing but that's how I understand it.

[*guyverfan]

yep, i understand, just now recalling that in the manga, rita saying that each loop takes her back 30 hours.

 

but in the movie, i can't seem to remember if something like it was revealed or introduced? might have to watch the movie again, hahaha.

pretty sure that it wasn't, which made the ending alittle more confusing for me when cruise wakes up on the helicopter at the end.

 

ahh, hangon, there was that one scene where emily says he gained their power to loop back aday. it could be it,...... i'll just note it down as one of the small, unanswered hiccups in the movie.

[durendal]

I don't think I remember them mentioning going back a set number of hours.  It is something to ponder about.  But I do get about the final copter scene.  Since he already lost the ability, being splattered with the Omega's blood might have supercharged him with it.  Might even give him more control of the time loop ability.

 

You know it would have been more awesome if Rita was wielding a bigass axe instead of that sword like paddle.  I have to be honest, I felt that sword paddle was a wee bit small compared to the axe.  An axe so huge that you need momentum to be able to wield it properly.  And would have made them a lot cooler if they made mention about releasing the autobalancers to be able to wield the axe.  My opinion on the metal jacket still stands.  The movie version is so fugly.

[*guyverfan]

the movie version of the jackets were fugly, but i think they were more realistic and practable for the movie. as the jackets in the book were almost like an ironman suit without jarvis.

you know, i wonder why they didn't get cruise to wield emilys' sword like keiji did ritas'. instead, it was just all amo.

[Matt Bellamy]

Saw the movie a few days ago, and had finished the manga a little before. Both have their charms, but overall I say I liked the movie better.

 

What the similarities they have are actually a shorter list of the things that changed between the two. And that is the looping of people itself. Most everything else is changed or altered is someway. Which I think is good. Keep the core concept and let the technology, acting and money adjust what can and cannot be done.

 

That being said, I liked the way the movie handled the "How it happened, and why" and then the Ending.

- Did not like how they seemed to use the "Melee Weapon" part of the story, and not explain why she uses it. It's just there. And Cage does not even take that up.

- The power armor was not nearly as cool... But given how it looked in the manga, keeping it that way would have been much more expensive movie. On the plus side, the suit used were very similar to the Iron Man MK1 armor in terms of how the suits worked.

 

The Manga had better power armor and weapons. I liked Keiji more as he was a recruit ready to fight, and had to learn how to fight better. This could also be because he is also kind of bland at first, meaning better character projection ( Cage being an already established character with a different purpose). Also better mimic design.

- The "How to" of why Keiji and Rita can loop is not as well explained. Just because he killed it, somehow he got the power. The movie using the blood aspect, at least gave it a reason ( and thankfully a way out, for both Cage and Rita)

 

Basically, if the manga had used the movie plot device/science and ending, I would have found it awesome.

 

I have always found that Japan does not like happy endings very much. They always seem to have to have some great amount of loss, a tragic end, or some kind of magic/god/not understandable ending. Rarely do any series of mention, end on a very high note.

 

Keiji and Rita having to fight and one die at the end of the novel/Manga is not a BAD ending... But awfully tragic. Especially since both Keiji and Cage were falling for their counterpart. Cage moreso than Keiji I think, but it was there. So Keiji having to kill Rita was just too tragic. At least Cage has a chance to get to know Rita without the war now. Sure, she might blow him off, but at least he knows she is alive.

 

And with Keiji, the war is not over yet. So now he has to take the place of the "Full Metal Bitch" and lead the charge.

 

Poor Keiji,

 

Good luck Cage.

[*guyverfan]

cruise-" ahh,good, another american"

 

paxton-"AMERican, no sir, i'm from kentucky"

 

 cracks me up everytime.

[Larz Zahn]

I could not help but see Hudson everyone Bill Paxton speaks in the movie. It was great!

[odin]

Honestly this movie is one of the best ones I have seen so far this year, the ending does bug me but does not prevent me from enjoying the movie, I will read the manga whenever I get the chance to see how it stacks up.

Edited June 22, 2014 by odin

[Guest Jupiter]

I really liked it that every time Tom Cruise died, he got to start over. He went from not knowing how to fight, to being one of the best fighters in the movie. He must have had to die hundreds of times to get that skilled. Thats years of training in one day repeated. It reminded me of a training simulation each time he failed, lol.

 

One of the best movies I've seen Tom Cruise do since Oblivion.