Guyver versus Thor Guyver versus Thor ( Marvel)

[Guest Jupiter]

I wonder how huge and devastating of a fight would go with Guyver Gigantic against Thor. We know Thor is the son of Odin and has fought enemies stronger in Marvel comics. I think Thor would rival that fight with Imakarum. There'd be a lot destruction and I'm sure the Guyver Gigantic would take a lot of damage like the fight with Friedrick Purgstal ( Thor is stronger than Friedrick...both energy and physically as the pagan Thunder God.) but it would be a very interesting battle that I would like to see.

[*ScottmanXIII]

Would the mighty Thor survive the Giga Smasher?

[Guest Jupiter]

Would the mighty Thor survive the Giga Smasher?

 

I don't know. Thats a really good question. Do you think it would kill him? I'm not entirely sure myself on the giga smasher wiping out Thor.

I suppose if Thor can fight Surtur The Fire God, he can fight the Gigantic with equal ease.

[*ScottmanXIII]

I think Guyver 3 would break his neck.

[Guest Jupiter]

I think Guyver 3 would break his neck.

Would you say Thor's power rivals that of a zoalord?

[*ScottmanXIII]

 

Yeah, I think you're right. Would you say Thor's power rivals that of a zoalord?

He might stack up to Purgstall, could match the lightning bolt attacks etc.

As cool as Thor is, I think he'd have no idea what was happening and be outmatched very quickly.

[Guest Jupiter]

yeah, that seems about right. Thor would be stronger than Purgstal because that zoalord just wielded lightning and that was pretty much it.  Purgstal was no where near as strong as Murakami's/ Imakarum's gravity attacks and strength and if Murkami ever threw someone like Purgstal into a Quasi Black Hole, that person wouldn't be coming back like Archenphel.

[Shin Mefilas]

Well if Im not getting my facts wrong here, a guyver boosts its users strength 100 fold so in theory a guyver can lift 70 to 80 tones plus they have those gravity orgens in their arms and legs that boost their stricking force a ferther 10 fold so a guyver punchs with roughly 180 tones of force. In gigantic mode they get 20x boost to their strength so a gigantic can lift 1600 tones and punch with 3600 tones of force unless their arm and legs orgens where improved too which pushs a gigantic's punching strength to 320000 tones. That is if all my facts and maths are right of course.

[Salkafar]

Well if Im not getting my facts wrong here, a guyver boosts its users strength 100 fold so in theory a guyver can lift 70 to 80 tones plus they have those gravity orgens in their arms and legs that boost their stricking force a ferther 10 fold so a guyver punchs with roughly 180 tones of force. In gigantic mode they get 20x boost to their strength so a gigantic can lift 1600 tones and punch with 3600 tones of force unless their arm and legs orgens where improved too which pushs a gigantic's punching strength to 320000 tones. That is if all my facts and maths are right of course.

 

If a Guyver boosts the host's power a hundredfold, in Sho's case he should be able to lift about 5 tons. Remember, Sho's a teenager and not a particularly big one. Tetsuro and Agito are both taller than he is. Even bio-boosted he's, what, 1.75 m tall? (checks) 1.74 m. Even if that's measured from the top of the helmet and not the horn, in human form Sho should be only about 1.65, tops. Reckon he could lift 50 kilos? Maybe. I've never seen him work out.

 

The momentum generators in the Guyver's limbs increase punching impact tenfold, but that doesn't mean a punch's impact equals the amount of weight you can lift.

 

Anyway, the Gigantic: if it boosts the Guyver's power twentyfold and Sho's bio-boosted strength enables him to deadlift five tons, in Gigantic mode he should be able to heft a hundred tons, putting him in the weight class of Marvel Comics' heavyweights.

 

At the low end, mind. The Hulk, when at rest, can lift about 80 tons, but his power escalates when he gets angry. Iron Man is currently in Class 100 and Thor always was - he frequently fights the Hulk and can usually fight him to a standstill. The Abomination, one of the Hulk's oldest and deadliest foes, is far stronger than him, but his power does not increase.

 

My point being: Thor is physically as strong as the Gigantic. I doubt he can survive a Gigasmasher blast, but then he probably wouldn't have to, since it takes time to charge and he is far more manouvreable than the Gigantic. He has more than a thousand years of combat experience, much of it from fighting huge monsters, often stronger than himself (ex. Jormungand, the Mangog, Surtur, the Celestials). All this, plus he wields Mjölnir, one of the most powerful weapons in existence.

 

The Gigantic is the underdog in this fight. And that's against Thor as he normally is! He has surpassed this level in the past several times, by entering a state of warrior madness, by donning his belt of power which doubles his strength, by inheriting his father's cosmic power, or by learning the wisdom of the runs.

[*Chernaudi]

If the TV series booklet is accurate, then Sho (without his armor) is 170cm tall, or 5'7"  Agito is 6'0" without his armor.  Also, Sho is an average person of his age, while Agito is undeniably an athlete.  It stands to reason that the Guyver armor would enhance a persons abilities proportional to their strength.  So in terms of brute power, Agito in theory should always be at least a bit better than Sho.

 

I don't know much about the Marvel universe, but from what I know about Guyver, brute power doesn't mean much without skillful use.  That's how Sho defeated Agito.  Agito went for the brute power route, and Sho had an effective counter that stopped the fight.  Hell, I doubt that Shizu had much combat experience before she was processed into being able to become Griselda.  Of course, she was given mainly melee weapons, namely the hair blades.  But other than basic punching or kicking, I doubt that Shizu had much in the way of fighting or combat training before her processing, unless there's something we don't know about her.

 

Point is here it's as much a game of skill and strategy as it is power.  Of course, Guyver and Thor have never faced enemies like each other before, so there's the factor of the unknown for both of them, too.

[Shin Mefilas]

Well if Im not getting my facts wrong here, a guyver boosts its users strength 100 fold so in theory a guyver can lift 70 to 80 tones plus they have those gravity orgens in their arms and legs that boost their stricking force a ferther 10 fold so a guyver punchs with roughly 180 tones of force. In gigantic mode they get 20x boost to their strength so a gigantic can lift 1600 tones and punch with 3600 tones of force unless their arm and legs orgens where improved too which pushs a gigantic's punching strength to 320000 tones. That is if all my facts and maths are right of course.

 

If a Guyver boosts the host's power a hundredfold, in Sho's case he should be able to lift about 5 tons. Remember, Sho's a teenager and not a particularly big one. Tetsuro and Agito are both taller than he is. Even bio-boosted he's, what, 1.75 m tall? (checks) 1.74 m. Even if that's measured from the top of the helmet and not the horn, in human form Sho should be only about 1.65, tops. Reckon he could lift 50 kilos? Maybe. I've never seen him work out.

 

The momentum generators in the Guyver's limbs increase punching impact tenfold, but that doesn't mean a punch's impact equals the amount of weight you can lift.

 

Anyway, the Gigantic: if it boosts the Guyver's power twentyfold and Sho's bio-boosted strength enables him to deadlift five tons, in Gigantic mode he should be able to heft a hundred tons, putting him in the weight class of Marvel Comics' heavyweights.

 

At the low end, mind. The Hulk, when at rest, can lift about 80 tons, but his power escalates when he gets angry. Iron Man is currently in Class 100 and Thor always was - he frequently fights the Hulk and can usually fight him to a standstill. The Abomination, one of the Hulk's oldest and deadliest foes, is far stronger than him, but his power does not increase.

 

My point being: Thor is physically as strong as the Gigantic. I doubt he can survive a Gigasmasher blast, but then he probably wouldn't have to, since it takes time to charge and he is far more manouvreable than the Gigantic. He has more than a thousand years of combat experience, much of it from fighting huge monsters, often stronger than himself (ex. Jormungand, the Mangog, Surtur, the Celestials). All this, plus he wields Mjölnir, one of the most powerful weapons in existence.

 

The Gigantic is the underdog in this fight. And that's against Thor as he normally is! He has surpassed this level in the past several times, by entering a state of warrior madness, by donning his belt of power which doubles his strength, by inheriting his father's cosmic power, or by learning the wisdom of the runs.

well it seems my math was way off, proable because I was assuming (wrongly) that the guyver could lift 100X body weight. Ow well, I argee though Thor's manouvreable and combat experience coupled with his command of lighting (somthing the guyver is noticable vunerable to) really give him the edge. Plus Mjölnir can dent and crack adamantium.

[*V Guyver]

Also, Thor can take Guyver's Punches. I love guyver, but characters like Thor are so more overpowered than the Guyver. Even in Gigantic he'd have so much trouble. On the other hand, Tekkman is a Guy who can probably beat Thor around pretty easily. Anyone who can take a nuke to the face is tough enough. If you were to put Tekkaman from Twin Blades, Thor would have more issues.

I'm considering Exceed Guyver might actually trump Thor though. Actually I want to see the Exceed fight the Asgard Destroyer. 

[Larz Zahn]

I see the black hole rail gun as exceeds trump. I can't imagine any non cosmic characters surviving that. Not even hulk. But i can see several characters surviving a gigasmasher.

[Salkafar]

I want to see the Exceed fight the Asgard Destroyer. 

 

The movie version, I assume. The comic book version of the Destroyer cannot be defeated unless you're a Celestial.

 

Every time Thor faced the Destroyer, he got busted up.  Except when he actually wielded the Odin-Power, but since the Odin-Power is what originally created the Destroyer (well... partly), this is not surprising.

[*V Guyver]

I recall another thing even bigger than The Destroyer. Some entity formed when all the Asgard God's combine. An Asgard captain planet if you will. Forgot the name. 

[Salkafar]

The Uni-Mind? But that's not the Asgardians, but the Eternals.

 

Odin once drew the life force of all Asgardians into himself and then into the Destroyer (including his own). Only Thor wasn't involved. The Destroyer - normally about eight feet tall - grew to 2000 feet, the size of a Celestial, and drew the Oversword from its scabbard (an act which was prophesied to precede the end of the world) to confront the Celestials. Hence this pic.

 

 

Unfortunately, the Celestials destroyed him and the Oversword with little effort. That is to say they reduced the giant robot to a puddle of molten slag.

 

Much later, it was reactivated and restored its own form, though. So I guess that kind of redeems it.

 

Outside of the Celestials, though, it has never been defeated.

[Salkafar]

Hmmm. Usually, only Thor and Odin himself can lift the hammer Mjölnir, but in case of dire emergency the spell "Whoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall have the power of Thor" is activated. But very few people are worthy.

Beta Ray Bill, the Korbinian champion, was worthy and could wield Mjölnir (He has another hammer called 'Stormbreaker' which is the equal of Mjölnir now). Captain America has lifted the hammer, but did not gain Thor's power. Superman was unable to lift the hammer, whereas Wonder Woman not only could lift it, but was given the power of Thor.

 

 

Of course, she is worthy... I have wondered what the criteria are set by Odin, and I think they are that you have to be a warrior (which is why Superman can't lift it. He refuses to kill, and I don't think Odin would approve); you have to be courageous; and you have to be honorable. Two out of three is not enough; but Wonder Woman meets all three.

 

So... what I am getting at is... would Sho be able to lift it?

[*V Guyver]

Wait, wonder woman, but not Superman? Superman the pinnacle of goody too shoes? 

[Guest Jupiter]

Yeah, why doesn't Superman get to pick up Thor's hammer?

[*V Guyver]

If I recall, Wonderwoman is a fairly brutal woman and has no qualms about killing specific villains. Do you need a little murderous intent to be worthy of wielding it? I guess it makes sense since it's a weapon, but come on. Supes is definitely worthy since he fights nearly constantly as much as any warrior and hasn't given up when others would.

I find it hard to think of Sho picking it up. He's never been a warrior, though recently he's come close. Maybe he has become one, but he doesn't think like a warrior, nor does Agito. Ironically enough, Purgstal seems to actually fit the bill, and he already has Lighting Ability. XD

[Salkafar]

If I recall, Wonderwoman is a fairly brutal woman and has no qualms about killing specific villains. Do you need a little murderous intent to be worthy of wielding it? I guess it makes sense since it's a weapon, but come on. Supes is definitely worthy since he fights nearly constantly as much as any warrior and hasn't given up when others would.

I find it hard to think of Sho picking it up. He's never been a warrior, though recently he's come close. Maybe he has become one, but he doesn't think like a warrior, nor does Agito. Ironically enough, Purgstal seems to actually fit the bill, and he already has Lighting Ability. XD

 

No, Wonder Woman is not brutal at all. And she definitely has 'qualms' about killing. But she does kill in battle when she has no other choice (which is rare, because she's so powerful).

 

And Superman 'definitely worthy'?

 

 

Not of wielding Mjölnir.

 

As for Sho: what is a warrior? A warrior is one who fights for what he believes is worthwhile - one who enters a battle from which he may not return, because his loved ones are in danger.

What is Sho, if not a warrior?

[Guest Jupiter]

I didn't know Marvel and DC did stories together. Thats cool to see Thor and Super-Man working together.

[Salkafar]

Yeah, that was a crossover from actually just over ten years ago. Pretty good, as such things go.

In the second issue, Superman defeated Thor.

The character who precipitated the crossover might be a candidate for the 'worst villain' thread: Krona.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/28028/785546-krona011.jpg

I wouldn't say he's evil for evil's sake, but there is literally nothing he won't do to get the answers he seeks. And since the questions he asks are of the 'Why do we exist', 'What is the meaning of life' and 'How does reality work anyway' variety, and his method is essentially reductionistic, you'll understand that whenever he appears, it's a mess.

Edited June 2, 2014 by Salkafar

[Guest Jupiter]

Yeah, that was a crossover from actually just over ten years ago. Pretty good, as such things go.

 

In the second issue, Superman defeated Thor.

 

How did Superman manage that. I assumed the two were evenly matched.

[Salkafar]

Superman and Thor are really not. How strong is Superman? Well...

 

 

I know of no Marvel character with that level of raw strength. Not even the Hulk at his maddest. And definitely not Thor.