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Will Agito & Aptom survive the series?


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I don't think Aptom will die.

 

I mean what the heck is going to kill him?? it would have to be an all out Archanphel attack (when hes not sleeping!)

 

As for Agito - Agito who? haven't seen that guy in a few tankobon! seriously though, I can see him reverting back to good (if he ever really went 'bad') and dieing a noble death.

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We've always known who Agito is. Yes, in a way Agito is good. He was a victim of abuse from his uncle and he has emotional issues from seeing his parents dead. He blames Cronos for it. We saw that the real Agito had once been a peace loving happy child with loving parents until Genzo came along and murdered them. They've made that clear in the anime what his goals are to over throw Cronos. although he despises Cronos, Agito recognizes that the power they wield could be greatly beneficial to humanity, and so he intends to overthrow the organization and take control of the world using their resources. To that end, he has been aiding Sho ( Guyver 1) in fighting Cronos, subtly manipulating him whilst keeping his own goals to himself. In the anime, He stated that the Guyver, Sho, his friends, and people were all tools that he could use to destroy Cronos and that he would rule the world some day. Well, since he had the Dark Gigantic. It was apparent that Sho was no longer useful to him, so he challenged Sho to a duel in the ruins of Tokyo and Sho won. He more than likely realizes now that he still needs Sho, more than Sho needs him.

 

P.s. I did enjoy Agito's fight with Imakarum :)

 

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My first guess is that Aptom will somehow get completely vaporized protecting either Sho, Natsuki, or the Segawa siblings. Maybe even all of them at the same time. My next guess is that his story will go on like the Kamen Rider Blade novel. He will have long outlived the story along with the characters in it and is unsuccessfully trying to find a way to end his life.

As for Agito, he has still yet to redeem himself in my eyes for ripping the Gigantic off of Sho while he was facing 4 Zoalords when he didn't even need it. I wish Sho would of sliced his Control Medal in half when they had their little scuffle.

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Agito regrets his fight with Sho. Not that he lost or the fact he started it. Its the fact that the people they cared about got hurt.
When Sho and Agito went off to fight. Guyot took the opportunity to try and kidnap the Segowa's as well as kill off the Libertus. Shizu almost died as well.
I can tell Agito and Sho are still friends. If they weren't than Sho would have gone ahead and killed Agito to begin with. It was heavily implied in the manga. Sho felt that the duel was a pointless fight. He knew Agito was just trying to prove that he was better.


@ Aptom Strain

I don't know why people get the wrong Idea. Agito and Sho aren't enemies. They are both fighting Cronos still. Friends screw eachother over all of the time. Agito screwed Sho over for personal needs. It doesn't make them enemies. Friends aren't always going to be on good terms with one another. Agito might screw people over. But his intentions against the down fall of Cronos are good. If anything, Agito has helped Sho out a lot by killing off a few zoalords that SHo would have other wise had to deal with. I feel you have misread Agito and Sho's relationship completely.

 

Sho and Agito have what we call, a battle field relationship as allies. Their whole friendship is based on a warrior foundation. Sho and Agito had to prove that to themselves. That battle was pretty much mutual. Sho had to prove himself or he would have completely refused. Refusing would have made Sho look like a coward to his friends and to Agito. Agito wanted to show Shou, that he might be better. It was all about an ego trip.

 

Vegeta in Dragon Ball Z is friends with Goku, even though he tried to kill him. Its just a friend/ warior relationship.

If there's anyone Sho really blames. He doesn't blame Agito at all. He and Agito are still friends, and have been allies since the show or manga started. Its Richard Guyot that Sho blames. Yes. What we need to understand is.....Agito and Sho are not enemies. They are two friends who had a misunderstanding. That scuffle, was all about two friends working things out. Friends fight just like anyone. Agito was upset that Sho didn't want to join his club. So he picked a fight with him. If they were truely enemies. Than Sho would have killed Agito.

 

Right now, Sho is just upset about the whole thing because Apollon kidnapped the love of his life. So of course he going to be pissed at Agito and everyone else. If he blamed Agito, he wouldn't be telling him that it wasn't his fault.

 

Perhaps if you read this portion of Guyver, you will understand a little bit more.Here's the rest of it on this link. http://www.japan-legend.com/guyver_advocacy/30_-_chapters_for_book_30/1211/1
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@Jupiter I'm well aware haha. I'm saying I don't like Agito. I completely understand the relationship. Personally, I haven't forgiven Agito, and I have my own ideas of what I would have done in Sho's shoes. At the end of the day I do understand the battlefield relationship lol.

Well, Sho and Agito have much in common because they are guyvers. They are like brothers, also a term used by war veterans. Brothers in arms. They have been through a lot. They are much like brothers. Some days you want to strangle and kill your brother, but by the end of the day you love one another.

I do understand you don't like Agito. But as you have said about what you would have done to Agito in Sho's place, contradicts Sho's character and his relationship with Agito.

If Sho had killed Agito. He would have lost the respect of all of his friends and loved ones that he protects. He would have lost their support. He proved to be the better man by sparing Agito's life. He showed mercy. Sho's friends would have than viewed him as a murderer because he killed one of his own.

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Either that or Agito knows that he can't destroy Chronos himself.  He has Shizu to help him, but she can't live forever, not unless she's reprocessed.  I'd bet that Shizu and Agito know/knew of Sho's willpower, and perhaps about the Gigantic Exceed before Agito confronted Sho.  That fight was IMO a confirmation to Agito that if he and Shizu suspected that stuff, it was truth and not just a thought or theory.

 

I don't know about Sho's friends having a lot of qualms about him killing Agito at that time.  They sorta viewed Agito as an enemy and only when Shizu was trying to protect them at the mansion did they get an idea of what Agito was up to.  Knowing what they know now, they probably respect Sho's decision to try and reason with Agito instead of just killing him.

 

In that way, I'd say that Shizu and Sho are very similar.  Sho only kills when given little to no other choice.  Shizu does willingly kill agents of Chronos, but, like Sho, seems to detest the deaths of innocent people and those, like the Libertus, as potentially unnecessary.  Maybe Shizu and Sho in a way are showing Agito the folly of his ways?

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I get what you're saying entirely, but I also kind of feel like you're telling me that my opinion is wrong, when everybody's opinions are different and therefore everybody's inclined to whatever they believe. But I'm with you. PS: check out Team Sleep if you haven't already.

I'm not telling you that you're opinion is wrong. I'm just saying if you were Sho, and you went ahead and killed Agito while you had the Exceed mode engaged. Say, after the battle and Sho told his friends he killed Agito, they wouldn't take the news very easy. They'd be crushed. They might get mad at Agito, but they still care about him. Just saying. Even if we are in someone's shoes. It doesn't hurt to look at the consequences of the action you'd take in Shou's place. Yeah, you would have been satisfied with killing Agito. But your friends wouldn't, so by pleasing yourself in the action, you'd be hurting your friends, because they have an emotional attachment to Agito. Cause and effect.

Like in Fallout 3. If you're friends with another NPC, but you kill their brother. Than they hate you.

You're more than welcome to kill Agito any day of the week.

I was just looking at it from Sho's perspective. Thats all.

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And we do have to remember that the only person it seemed until then that Agito cared about was Shizu.  And she was the only person that Agito was used to receiving any mercy, fondness, or any positive human emotion from.  It seems that Agito is willing to try and patch things up between Sho and his friends, and he made that cemetery at Zeus' Thunderbolts' HQ to honor Shizu and also Sho to an extent. 

 

It seems that Agito maybe is now trying to make up with people.  Be it for his own gain or he's being genuine about it, only time will tell, but Agito seems to have flipped a coin, sorta like Aptom did after he absorbed Hayami and completed his heel-face turn because he saw Sho from a different POV though Hayami's memories.

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It does seem Agito is trying to right his wrongs now. I'm not against anyone for not liking a specific character; that being Agito or Aptom etc. It would be cool to see Agito and Sho fighting side by side again. But this time with their Gigantics. If they stood together I think they could wipe out Cronos and kill Archenphel as a team. I am happy that Agito took out the Arizona base and killed off 2 zoalords. I think for every zoalord they kill, they get closer to finishing their goal.

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