Zoalord Teleportation

[Zoaknight]

Yo! I've been wondering about Zoalord teleportation, namely how it works and its limits.

During the Mt. Minikami Incident with the Relic, the entire Council teleported from their meeting place at the Arizona Base all the way to Japan without suffering any loss of power, and yet, after that incident we haven't seen any of them utilize teleportation again, unless you count Yentsui's ability to cut open portals in space (which seems alot less efficient than simply porting to wherever you wanna go like Archanfel does or like the Council did when summoned by Barcus to confront Guyot). I mean, I thought teleportation was one of the basic abilities common to all Zoalords, enabling them to be anywhere they may be needed, and yet we've seen many instances in which a Zoalord could/should have used teleportation to travel somewhere more quickly or to escape a bad situation. Sin traveled to Japan to meet Purgstall & Barcus via helicopter, as did Barcus during the Arizona incident when Zeus Thunderbolt invaded...Wouldn't teleportation have been quicker? Also, there have been many instances in which a Zoalord could have teleported in order to escape death or injury at the hands of an enemy.

So whats the deal with that? Is Archanfel the only Zoalord who can teleport at will over great distances? If so, how did the Council get to Japan that one time? Do they have to combine their powers together to in order to teleport?

[*Jess♥]

it's a tough one.

I also wonder how yentsui created the other side of the portal outside the arizona base. I was under the impression that he must make the two sides of his portals with his forearms.

if that is the case, then he must have gotten outside without the use of his portals and then made the portal out there.

actually, since barcas was the only one who used the high speed elevator, then i believe yentsui must have created that portal before the fight even began. that must be how he and waferdanos joined barcas down there.

but they didn't use one of those teleporting, so I don't believe it was an ability of those two. or barcas.

and as you pointed out, it can't be shin because he took a helicopter and then flew the last part.

out of all of them, I always thought it was purgstal who may have that kind of ability. I say that because the moment before they arrived a huge bolt of lightning struck the ground. I always thought that purgstal somehow allowed them to 'ride the lightning'.

[Zoaknight]

it's a tough one. I also wonder how yentsui created the other side of the portal outside the arizona base. I was under the impression that he must make the two sides of his portals with his forearms. if that is the case, then he must have gotten outside without the use of his portals and then made the portal out there. actually, since barcas was the only one who used the high speed elevator, then i believe yentsui must have created that portal before the fight even began. that must be how he and waferdanos joined barcas down there. but they didn't use one of those teleporting, so I don't believe it was an ability of those two. or barcas. and as you pointed out, it can't be shin because he took a helicopter and then flew the last part. out of all of them, I always thought it was purgstal who may have that kind of ability. I say that because the moment before they arrived a huge bolt of lightning struck the ground. I always thought that purgstal somehow allowed them to 'ride the lightning'.

It would make sense for Yentsui to create an emergency escape portal for him and his allies to use before going into battle, just in case the worse case scenario came to pass.

I guess that means that....

1) one of the Zoalords who came from Arizona to Japan has the power of teleportation, either Galenos, Jabir, or Luggnagg (the only zoalords who's powers are still a mystery at this time). It would be quite useful for Jabir or Luggnagg to be able to teleport anywhere in the world at will, being renegade Zoalords and all. I can't recall if the three rogue zoalords were seen traveling to Japan via helicopter or not. I don't think Purgstall was the teleporter though, in spite of them appearing together in a bolt of lightning. If he could teleport, then he could have caught up with Neo Zektole instantly, or have escaped or outflanked the Guyver Gigantic during their battle against eachother.

2) The Zoalord council can only teleport at will across the globe when they're altogether and can combine their powers to pull it off...Or rather, there must be at least 9 of them together in the same place to pull the teleport off since neither Archanfel, Guyot, or Barcus were with them. A combined effort as it were.

[*YoungGuyver]

The teleport might take a charge up time. Perhaps time to gather the energy... or what I feel is more likely, time to map out the folds of gravity within the two locations that will be ported in order to traverse the fabric of space accurately. But who really knows?

[*Jess♥]

such a delicate way of putting it.

nice.

yeah I was thinking there may be a charge time but i forgot.

[river_chaos]

I think the zoalords do have some teleportation abilities, but do not use it often because it takes up a vast amount of energy and like YoungGuyver said it might need a long charge time. I've seen that some of a Zoalord's abilities are affected by distance and time, like Shin protecting Could Gate from the Gigasmasher. The barrier he erected took up a lot of energy to cover the entire building.

[Zoaknight]

I think the zoalords do have some teleportation abilities, but do not use it often because it takes up a vast amount of energy and like YoungGuyver said it might need a long charge time. I've seen that some of a Zoalord's abilities are affected by distance and time, like Shin protecting Could Gate from the Gigasmasher. The barrier he erected took up a lot of energy to cover the entire building.

Yeah, Sin was able to save Japan from Kahn's missiles using his beam attacks, but biomorphing too quickly exhausted him, and I imagine Sin's forcefield would have been able to withstand Agito's Gigasmasher easily if he had only been protecting himself rather than the entire building (which I suspect takes ALOT more energy to do).

I suppose a slow charge time would make sense for teleport, though I dunno, it still seems like something they all would have done at one point or another if they'd had the choice of doing so. Alternatively, we haven't seen the Guyver Gigantic teleport since Sho's big flashy return during the battle against Neo Zektole, so I guess subspace travel/teleportation was a one time only deal for him at that time. Archanfel remains the only being who can freely travel anywhere through subspace without difficulty or assistance...Unless Imakuram's recent power boost granted him that ability too (and if he turns out to be Apollyon in disguise, seeking the zoacrystals for his master).

[*Jess♥]

the gigantic cocoon is capable of travelling into and out of the boost dimension at will.

it does so all the time. so it wasn't a one time deal. but the difference there was that shou was inside the cocoon.

that is the one thing that has no occurred since gigantic dark was born.

the cocoon carries the gigantic armour anywhere in the world, if there is a guyver there commanding it to appear.

who knows if there is a possibility for shou to climb inside the cocoon and have it take him somewhere? but i suspect there needs to be some kind of beacon for it to latch onto. in the original case, it must have latched onto mizuki's alpha waves or something like that.

after all, shou's final wish was for his friends' safety.

[Zoaknight]

the gigantic cocoon is capable of travelling into and out of the boost dimension at will. it does so all the time. so it wasn't a one time deal. but the difference there was that shou was inside the cocoon. that is the one thing that has no occurred since gigantic dark was born. the cocoon carries the gigantic armour anywhere in the world, if there is a guyver there commanding it to appear. who knows if there is a possibility for shou to climb inside the cocoon and have it take him somewhere? but i suspect there needs to be some kind of beacon for it to latch onto. in the original case, it must have latched onto mizuki's alpha waves or something like that. after all, shou's final wish was for his friends' safety.

OH! So Sho was able to teleport to Japan that one time because he was trapped inside the cocoon growing into his new and improved Gigantic form, and Mizuki somehow woke him up (guess in subspace you can pick on the thoughts of others or something). But since then we haven't seen whether or not a Gigantic can carry its host at will across the globe, only that he can summon the Gigantic from anywhere to upgrade a guyver during battle.

[*YoungGuyver]

nobody has really thought about the quality of skill involved in a teleport.

Yeah, I mentioned charge up time, but I also tried to suggest a mental effort involved. Some zoalords might be smarter than others, and some (like Rienzi) might have organs that aid them in seeing dimensions-(A mathematician can solve complex problems, but so can someone with a calculator)

[*Jess♥]

What is a Rienzi? I am not aware of any Rienzi in guyver.

unless you are referring to the very old and very wrong translation of yentsui?

in which case, I am surprised you are not aware that it has been proven wrong multiple times by knowledgeable translators and then afterwards by Takaya himself. quite a long while back as well.

Nobody has made that mistake in at least 2 years as far as I can recall.

[Zoaknight]

Yentsui's portal powers are very different from Archanfel's, who seems to be able to teleport wherever he wants in the world at will by traveling through subspace, whereas Yentsui needs to cut open a portal with those swords of his and then use that blackened eye lens of his to see the portals he creates. I wonder if it wasn't possible for Chronos to design a Zoalord who could just burrow through subspace at will like Archanfel & needed special tools to come close to mimicking his ability...I mean,Yentsui's abilities were impressive and all, but seemed to have fair amount of flaws/weaknesses, especially if his enemy figured out how his powers operated (like Agito did). To be fair, given Chronos' level of tech these days, and since we have no idea how long ago Yentsui was optimized into Zoalord, perhaps Chronos could make a superior portal master/teleporter Zoalord if they had the means to do so in the future (namely if they survive the war against the Guyvers and/or they find the time & means to do so, the missing Zoacrystals and Archanfel's health have kinda put plans to make new Zoalords on hold for the time being unfortunately XD).

P.S. I'm also pretty sure the name "Rienzi" was a translation mistake, Yentsui is his real name...Though i don't know if its his surname or his first name since in China I think the custom is to state a person's family name first and their given name second.

[*Jess♥]

That's a good one actually, I also am unsure about the order. my knowledge of chinese custom and language is pretty shallow.

although i did read something written by a chinese speaker that his name is written using chinese characters as li yantui. i assume li is a common first name so I would go with that personally. :-/

the thing about yentsui's powers, he has the ability to remotely manipulate the portals he creates. also, they seem to be very finely defined with zero physical space in between them. arkanfel's portal technique seems to be messy in comparison. sure, it can traverse great distance and appears to require less in the way of specialist organs/appendages, but the opening has appeared to spew and billow some kind of energy or steam or smoke or something. it has high visibility, it appears to be more temporary and doesn't appear to have a very defined boundary.

[durendal]

Speaking from experience and personal knowledge, I can say that the surname of Li Yentsui is Li and his given name is Yentsui, if we presume that this is a chinese name. Li is not a common given name but a common family name. Similar to Bruce Lee, his Chinese name was Lee Shao Long. Or Jet Li as Li Lian Jie, or even Jacky Chan who is also known as Chen Long.

But regarding the supposed mass teleportation during Mount Minakami, perhaps this is another of Alchanfel's abilities. I mean, surely he also has the ability of Yentsui, then we managed to see him escape a black hole. Perhaps it was this same ability that Alchanfel used to be able to teleport himself.

[*Jess♥]

thanks durendal, that makes sense, silly me should have though of bruce lee and jet lee.

so with hte mass teleportation , alkanfel wasn't with them at that point. he was chasiong guyot. do you mean that he mass teleported them remotely?

I think it may be possible. if he sensed that they wanted to come here. but then... I am not sure if they were aware that he was there so they would find it very odd that they were transported there.

[Zoaknight]

I wonder if it would be possible for Chronos to make an upgraded version of Yentsui who could see his own portals without needing a single "black eye" stone & one normal eye...I mean, maybe they could update the design somehow so the portal master type could have two normal vision eyes & yet still see its portals. Maybe give him somesort of visor or multifaceted eyes so he could see both normally and in portal vision, or perhaps an extra pair of eyes while in Zoaform, or even special eye lenses (like how crocs have extra transparent eyelids for seeing under water).

I'm sure those crazy kooks at chronos could figure something out to better equip a new generation of Yentsui type Zoalord. I mean, the old model worked, but given how his two eyes were designed it did limit him somewhat (I assume his portal eye remained the same in both human and zoaform or else he wouldn't have hidden it behind his hair like that in human form).

[durendal]

I'm sure that with the current technology Cronos has compared to the technology and know-how the had during the time Yentsui was created, an upgraded version is possible. As for the eyes of Yentsui, I think he required those eyes because he was using invisible portals. With the technology they harvested from the G-units, they might even be able to utilize the boost dimension.

Speaking of teleportation, it looks to me like Yentsui is using another dimension to access his teleportation skill. Could this skill be similar to that of Carleon? I mean, it dawned to me just know when Carleon was facing Apollon, it might be possible that Yentsui is capable of penetrating Carleon's dimension. But then, the "my lord" phrase already rules him out.