*Chernaudi Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 With what I've read here, basically all known human weaponry is damn near useless against a Guyver, and it only gets worse with the Gigantic and Gigantic Exceed variants/upgrades of the Guyver armor. And that's based on how much Zoanoids can be capable of surviving. We know that Hypers can survive tactical nukes, or at least have a good chance of surviving such a blast. If a Hyper can survive it, a Guyver more than likely can as well. Hypers can probably survive being shot at with large caliber armor-piercing ammunition that's cored with tungsten carbide or depleted uranium/depleted plutonium. High explosive rounds might not have much of an effect, either, and that's even if you get into stuff like RDX, PETN, or HMX explosives, which are 1.6, 1.66, and 1.7 times more powerful than TNT, respectively. One exception is the mega-smasher, which the lenses might be damaged by even handgun bullets. But against humans, would a Guyver even have to use the mega-smasher? That would be over-kill, unless they have to take out a large number of humans hellishly quick, and I mean a massive number. The Guyver units have plenty of other weapons that can take down humans quickly and easily, including brute strength. In short, I don't think that mankind currently possesses a weapon in real life that can take down a Guyver while the human host is in the armor. There are weapons that are theoretically possible to use that are being investigated (particle beam weapons and lasers) that can allow humans to take on Guyvers on equal terms, but though the theories are sound, technically, such items are currently out of our reach in actual practice. Ironically, the two examples I gave are weapons that Guyver units themselves use in some form. Quote
*Jess♥ Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 you say hyper zoanoids can survive nuclear weapons but I am not sure where you drew that from. I need to point out that the megasmasher is comparable to a nuclear explosion and hyper zoanoids most certainly cannot withstand that. The only one who has been called a hyper and withstood a blast of that power, was neo zx-tole but he had clearly become a lost number by that point. His power had been ramped up to a whole other level. Quote
LordSpleach Posted March 18, 2013 Author Posted March 18, 2013 Plus, Neo ZX-Tole had used his electric-based powers to create a arc blade to split the megasmasher beam to avoid the blast. Quote
*Chernaudi Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I've read references to some Zoanoids surviving a tactical nuke attack, which, of course, goes to show how powerful the mega-smasher probably is. The only reason in the TV series (which is based heavily on the manga) that Neo ZX-Tole survived Agito's attempt to vaporize him with his mega-smasher was because he was able to use his electrical powers (derived from his lost mate Elegen and ramped up to 11) to generate that arc--basically a shield--to deflect the blast. Only Alky was able to deflect a mega-smasher blast, and that's because of his own brute power (he's believed to the most powerful Zoalord), and there was nothing out there yet to pose a serious challenge to him on that front, though I do think that Gigantic Guyver and Gigantic Exceed especially might give him some concern in a one-on-one fight for sure. But as far as human weapons that we currently have, I don't think that we can get a hold of something that could challenge a Guyver on equal terms. As mentioned, in theory, there's nothing stopping someone who's smart, ingenious and creative enough from making something like the mega-smasher or vibroblades. Those are all things that in theory can easily exist. But, right now at least, there are some pretty severe technical and practical limitations on what we can do right now. Give it 10, 20 or more years, those items very well might exist and be feasible, usable items worth using. But right now, those items are out of the question as anything useful right now. Of course, we do also have to wonder if in real life if it's pragmatic that such weapons should exist, but that's another discussion. Quote
*Jess♥ Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I've read references to some Zoanoids surviving a tactical nuke attack, which, of course, goes to show how powerful the mega-smasher probably is. Since we've already cast reasonable doubt on it, you really do need to provide a credible source for your assertion. Quote
*Chernaudi Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Not really having access to the manga itself and the events of X-Day (which was glossed over quite a bit in the TV series from what I've heard and read), someone's gonna have to point me in the right direction. But it was a reference from the manga during X-Day, but not from any other media, certainly not the films or the OVAs, neither of which even mention X-Day. Quote
LordSpleach Posted March 20, 2013 Author Posted March 20, 2013 In the manga, during X-Day, U.S. Forces are actually trying to put up a fight in a losing battle. The CO (Commander Officer) goes nuts and launches a tactical nuke. Hell, his subordinate tries to stop him, but gets 'BOOM HEADSHOT' for it. It wipes out all the zoanoids in the area, but as the smoke is clearing he sees a giant figure looming in the distance. Most of us know what it is, but I don't want to spoil it for ya. Quote
*Jess♥ Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Chernaudi, there's a little link on the bottom left of your screen labelled 'G.M.' please click on it. Quote
*Chernaudi Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 Thanks for the help. And yes, it seems that the conventional Zoanoids got wiped out--except for that really big monster thing that showed up and--presumably--kills the General. That might be useful for my other thing that I've been wondering about (the Natsuki question). But as it pertains to the Guyver armor, we have to remember it's origins as an environmental suit for the Creators, so it was intended to survive extreme environments. However, as to whether or not it would survive a nuclear strike, that would depend on if it would survive on a planet that has similar extreme conditions. Quote
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