OnyxPhoenix Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 Possible. Will be very interesting to see. Ah, waiting! It can drive ya to drink! Give us more ! We demand it! Just kidding. Still, waiting for the goods...ah, the torture we love to endure. Quote
Zoaknight Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 I just figured that since Seraph was originally a Master Zoalord like Zeugma, Reeve, and Kron, and the Neo Kavzar armor is a recent invention (which thus far seems to act more like a Guyver unit than a Kavzar upgrade, i.e. no Gen has seized control of Angel's mind just yet), that it was more likely that Krullnar had rewarded Seraph for her centuries of loyal service by upgrading her into a Kavzar based Zoalord instead of casting her aside like all the other Zoalords (he was rather close to Zeugma and Seraph so it makes sense he may have wanted to bring them with him into space when the time came to leave...though of course Zeugma was ultimately left behind during the chaos of the Guyver Zoalord's reign of terror). As a matter of fact, Seraph and the process used to make her what she is today might have been the basis used for remaking Tonnin into his current form in such a short amount of time, cuz Krullnar had performed the procedure before and knew what to do and how to improve upon his past design to create his Anti-Alkanphel assassin...Chronos must thank him for his hard work sometime Quote
McAvoy Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 Obviously Seraph went with the Gen when they left Earth. Being as probably the last remaining master zoalord, they probably made her in charge to replace Zeugma. I mean think about it, they left with most of their army destroyed and most of their advanced projects either wiped out or left on Earth. So they almost had to start from scratch again. Makes sense for the time being that Seraph be in charge of the remaining Gen forces. Once the Kavzars, Aceaers and then the higher forms came into their military she was probably converted into some sort of Kavzar being. Maybe she is a failed but useful prototype in creating a Enforcer Kavzar class being without the whole messy process. Or she is a prototype of the Neo Omega Kavzar class. Who really knows. Quote
guyverfanatic Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Quick side question...will Sean be allowed to keep his Aceaer unit or will he have to give that up along with his old unit? Why would he even want it if he is a warrior guyver now?! Quote
Zoaknight Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 I wonder if the blades in the shoulders are meant for slashing/stabbing at the enemy while rushing or tackling. Since a Praetorian unit is an upgraded Warrior Guyver unit it should possess polymorphic swords like any other warrior unit, so his shoulder blades can probably lash out like tendrils to hack and slash at his enemies. Guyver Fanatic wrote: Why would he even want it if he is a warrior guyver now?! Well, an Acear unit would make his Praetorian Guyver unit even tougher wouldn't it? I imagine he'd welcome the extra weaponry an acear provides even in his warrior form, there are plenty of other, stronger fighters out there even now that he's a Praetorian afterall. He can also pass the Acear on to someone else if he feels the need to do so, not like its permanently bonded to his armor or something. Quote
McAvoy Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Warrior Guyver US has the same unit as Warrior Guyver 2. So he is just as Normal Type 2. So an Aceaer would have the same effect as WG2. Quote
Zoaknight Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 McAvoy wrote: Warrior Guyver US has the same unit as Warrior Guyver 2. So he is just as Normal Type 2. So an Aceaer would have the same effect as WG2. Ah! Thanks McAvoy, so yeah, looks like he'll be wanting to keep that Acear unit then for that little extra boost. However, if their units are the same, no Mark II tech, then how come he has shoulder blades? Thats not typically the norm for a Warrior unit, then again, Warrior Guyver II is a bit odd as well since despite being a type II unit he only has two swords on each arm whereas most other warrior units, even ones lacking CPMs or Matrixes, have at least two swords per arm. Quote
guyverfanatic Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 McAvoy wrote: Warrior Guyver US has the same unit as Warrior Guyver 2. So he is just as Normal Type 2. So an Aceaer would have the same effect as WG2. Ah! Thanks McAvoy, so yeah, looks like he'll be wanting to keep that Acear unit then for that little extra boost. However, if their units are the same, no Mark II tech, then how come he has shoulder blades? Thats not typically the norm for a Warrior unit, then again, Warrior Guyver II is a bit odd as well since despite being a type II unit he only has two swords on each arm whereas most other warrior units, even ones lacking CPMs or Matrixes, have at least two swords per arm. The look depends on the host's personality. So the guyvers are all going to look a tad different, have different blades, different colors, etc. Quote
Juggernought Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Why would he even want it if he is a warrior guyver now?! The same reason Warrior Guyver 2 has one now...added power to the warrior unit, increased weaponry, durability and shielding. He's loyal to ACTF so pretty sure Carter would allow it. For me I simply think his unit configuration is different...by different i mean his unit shifted that part of the CPM system to be focused in his shoulders. So he could have V-blades that can morph and mimic the bio-whips - could surprise enemy there...or they could also be the secondary CPM generators for more powerful shielding or they could have hidden laser orbs as the CPM's do have the ability to change as needed. WG2 has all this on his forearm laser orbs..so maybe WG-US has it in his shoulders to make him a unique type 2 unit. As for the unit appearances i believe if the host is unaware of what's happening to him/her it just defaults its look and color to best represent the host and possibly add certain features ie - extra sonic orbs, laser orbs, wider v-blades...based on the host current potential as a fighter and personality. But if the host was aware of what the unit is and has the will power to influence it slightly i think alterations would be made to reflect that. A good example is Agito..he studied both sho and lisker when they activated their units before doing the same to himself, also he had much deeper darker personality and intentions and the unit twisted its look to represent what was in his heart. As for lisker well his unit wasn't functioning properly anyway, and he was surprised by its activations so he had no 'say' in how it could look. He does have a different configuration of the sonic orbs and vents but that could just be a malfunction of the unit. Sho is just plain Sho, his unit reflects that. His true power and will was reflected in the Gigantic unit. Quote
McAvoy Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 He was drawn differently for a reason I think. WG2 is basically a Warriorized version of Sho. Guyver US is slightly reworked Sho. So if he was like WG3 and has more or less the same form as he did before, WGUS would look like a wrinkled version of WG2. Quote
Sully Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 I was debating this myself on if we should split the topic then I realised nope, it's all part of the art/design of WG and also what pic I'll do next. You've to remember the WG fan-fic is basically an merging of a few offical Guyver stories. But it has to have some logic to it for it to work. The main reason Warrior Guyver US isn't wrinkled isn't because Sean thinks he's old in someway and the unit obliges and makes him "wrinkled". It is because his Unit comes from the Utah Relic. Any of the 300 or so Guyvers that come from that Relic in the Guyver Zoalord (Time War) battle are also wrinkled in look. Sean's second Unit is not from the Utah Relic as such it has a more cartoon look. Desgin wise both look like Sho. Stephen looks like Sho because of a LONG time ago a guy called Tai Yang sent me , it was the first fan-art based on my fan-fic. I didn't have any plots at the time developed enough to make it Sho, so Stephen and the Warrior Guyver 2 story was done. Another thing you guys have to consider is even the first type of WG unit the orginal prototype allows for a lot of change based on the host's subconcous wishes. Look at Female Warrior Guyver and compare her to Warrior Guyver. She doesn't have polimorphic forward blades, instead she has 8. In the more advanced Mark II version of the Unit this mutation can give a lot more powerful changes as seen with Sho's new Unit and Faye's and the differences that will show up between them. Quote
McAvoy Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 Ahh I remember that picture. Been awhile? 13 or 14 years now? Depressing. Well I did suppose that the units that Primtive Guyver, Guyver Zoanoid and Guyver US came from the same Relic or area, I always wondered why (fanfic wise). Another thing though is that I suppose that if the host is the same as he was originally (Guyver 3) when he got a second unit (Warrior Guyver 3) then the host changes would be minimal aside from the units themselves. So in that logic you could say that Sean has changed since becoming Guyver US and becoming Warrior Guyver US. That would allow for any changes in armored form look. As for the Aceaer, it would make sense that WG-US would use one as much as why WG2 uses one. On a side note, WG2 and WG-US would make for a great team, especially with the Battle Collective. Quote
Azaar Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 Not to go off-topic, but how certain are we that Sean's Unit-G came from the Utah Relic? I thought it had originally come from somewhere in South America (though I might be confusing live-action and anime/manga on that). Even so, though -- the Utah Relic wasn't uncovered until pretty much a year after Sean bonded with the Guyver unit in the first live-action movie and became Guyver US. So... how did Chronos get inside the Utah Relic the first time to find Sean's unit, but then have to spend a year trying to get back into it again to get the initially damaged unit that Crane activated to become Guyver Zoanoid in the second live-action film? Quote
Zoaknight Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 So all Uranus made standard units have the smooth look whereas all Gen made standard units have the veiny look? Quote
McAvoy Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 From what i remember the location of Sean's unit was never revealed. So it is a fanfic answer to where it came from. Sean's unit was in stasis with Fulton balcus I believe in Part 2 of Time War. if all Uranus units had the smooth look and all Gen units had the wrinkled look then all Gen Projects should have it like the WG units, which they don't. I personally believe that the Utah Relic and it's units are of a different 'mold' than normal. Quote
*zeo Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Well, compare... In the Manga, the three Japan units were retrieved by sending in hundreds of zoanoids to battle their way into the relic but only one survived long enough to get back out with the units. Helped with Zoalords to command them to override and self preservation But Chronos had absolute control over the area and any media coverage of the area as well. The Relic defenses killed all the zoanoids they used in the breach but Chronos managed to retrieve those three units before Agito convinced Malmut to then steal them for him. In the 2nd movie, Chronos had lost Chronos LA just the year before. So lacked one of their big bases in the US and possibly their control over the local media may have been iffy at this point. Prior to X-Day they would have to keep a low profile and the FBI in the movie showed they were already starting to arouse suspicion and there was only a handful of zoanoids in the whole movie and they even used regular human students to do most of the digging. So Chronos in the movie didn't have complete control over the area and had to worry about alerting the authorities to their activities. A year or so before, when they still had Chronos LA and a Zoalord in the US to make a army of Zoanoids sacrifice themselves trying to get the Unit would have made more sense then than after. Not to say it necessarily happened that way but it could have... I wouldn't go too crazy about how the unit looks though, only so many parallels you can make from the movie without it conflicting with the manga/anime version. Like the fact the movie versions stored themselves inside the host instead of the Boost Dimension or the fact Guyver Sean was actually shorter than regular Sean... Quote
Sully Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 So all Uranus made standard units have the smooth look whereas all Gen made standard units have the veiny look? Not to go off-topic, but how certain are we that Sean's Unit-G came from the Utah Relic? I thought it had originally come from somewhere in South America (though I might be confusing live-action and anime/manga on that). Even so, though -- the Utah Relic wasn't uncovered until pretty much a year after Sean bonded with the Guyver unit in the first live-action movie and became Guyver US. So... how did Chronos get inside the Utah Relic the first time to find Sean's unit, but then have to spend a year trying to get back into it again to get the initially damaged unit that Crane activated to become Guyver Zoanoid in the second live-action film? This is the fan-fic so how certain am I that Sean's Unit came from the Utah Relic in the fan-fic, VERY certain as I made it up the Utah Relic is a relic of the Uranus. At the start of Time War, Fulton Blaclcus was making a move to capture it. So even back then he intended on capturing the old Relic. Think about it where could G'Kor get Unit's without them being noticed? It was a soruce of standard Guyver units to the Gen. All of them where modified but becasically it isn't an active Gen site, it's on the outskirts of their control sphere and close to where G'Kor had his secret base. The Utah Relic is a large ship, shown in flashbacks to contaain MANY dormant Units. These are all viney in look when active. The viney look basically = It came from the Utah ship. Time War end for Fulton inside a pod badly wunded, with the other dormant Unit that G'Kor had which was fully modified by the Gen is with him in the remains of a Ruined Ship. As stated in the movie, the Zaolord was found in a ruin, along with the dormant Unit. All I've done is setup a fan-fic reason that pulls this into the story line. You've basically read the fan-fic event that setups Mutronics / Guyver Live Action move. That Unit in the fan-fic that could have being the Guyver zoalord is in fact now Sean's Unit. It's totally fan-fiction, but it works Of course btw that means (and bringing this back on topic!) there will be new art of the Guyver Zoalord, and it will have the Viney look. Quote
Azaar Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Cool. I had wondered how Sean's Unit managed to get out of the Utah Relic and it still remain "unopened". Guess that means I need to read more closely. Quote
Sully Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Cool. I had wondered how Sean's Unit managed to get out of the Utah Relic and it still remain "unopened". Guess that means I need to read more closely. To be honest, it hasn't being wrote that way, it's being said that Fulton was inside a ruined ship in the colds of Canada and there is a dormant Unti with him. Only the most hardcore of Guyver fan would watch the First Live action movie... ONLY THE MOST would watch it and take the actually take notes of what the start line of the movie actually said. That part of the fan-fic is basically for hard core fans who would note stuff like that, only on the forums will I connect the dots for that one. Later (MUCH later) when the comics get to a point I like, I'll write a new story to bridge the gaps and efectively re-write the live action moves as I'd seem them if they where the comics. Quote
Azaar Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Now I have to dig out my VHS copy of the first movie now (yes, I have both on VHS). *grins* Still cool, though. I'm sure you can do a better job of the first movie in particular than the screenwriters apparently did -- the camp in that movie was almost painful, especially since I kept half-expecting Jimmy Walker to bust out with an old-fashioned Good Times "DYNO-MITE!" Quote
Sully Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Yeah... basically expect something a little closer to what happened to the movie... But a lot more death, humans with limbs missing as Sean discovers "Opps I'm very strong", dead zoanoids before they can rap and a Zoalord that actually is dangerous! Quote
OnyxPhoenix Posted February 11, 2011 Author Posted February 11, 2011 Does that mean that Sean's Unit, since it did not bond with Fulton, is a Gen Unit, or a Uranus Unit already there? Oops, just read this post again. Missed Sully's words of wisdom. DOH! Quote
Zoaknight Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Amazing how you've been able to tie in the events of the movies with the manga Sully, very cool! I especially look forward to seeing new art of the dreaded Guyver Zoalord! BTW, will you be doing artwork for the original forms of Reeve, Kron, & Seraph before their transformations into their final/modern forms? Just curious, new art of Guyver Zoalord Reeve is AWESOME as it is , and while I like Reeve's old look I'm curious to see how he'd look with the same style armor as Sean & Crane AKA Guyver Zoanoid Quote
Juggernought Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Before i really became a fan and the fist time i heard and saw the movies for myself, i used to think that that organic look Sean's old unit had along with Guyver Zoanoid and Primitive Guyver meant they were dated back from when the Creators first landed on the planet and that's how they all looked but then as things developed they kinda updated the majority of their units to a more 'modern' and smooth look and these were just the forgotten leftovers when they had to suddenly leave. Quote
Zoaknight Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 Sully wrote: Yeah... basically expect something a little closer to what happened to the movie... But a lot more death, humans with limbs missing as Sean discovers "Opps I'm very strong", dead zoanoids before they can rap and a Zoalord that actually is dangerous! Awww, no love for M.C. Striker? klutziest Zoanoid in whole movie yet the only one left alive at the very end, boggles the mind no? Quote
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