Apprentice Zoalords

[Zoaknight]

Yo, I've been wondering, how does Chronos select candidates to undergo the transformation into Apprentice Zoalords? I realize that Zoanoids and Hyper Zoanoids are usually thugs, social misfits, or even normal people who joined Chronos to gain power or bought into Chronos's propaganda (or against their will of course).

I guess what I'm trying to ask is if the Apprentice Zoalords who serve under the Disciple Zoalords as their lieutenants are normally hand picked from the best of the best amongst their ranks, like people who were actually trained to become higher zoaforms, or if its just a matter of finding people who are genetically compatible/suited for undergoing the optimization into such an advanced form regardless of who they are prior to said transformation?

I mean, Sasha was originally a normal girl from Jason's hometown, no connection to Chronos whatsoever, and yet she ended up being made into the highest ranking of the Navigator Zoalords, and Alfred Drano was originally gonna be made into a Hyper Zoanoid but lucked out and became a Protozoalord instead, and later a favored Disciple Zoalord. We haven't seen as many apprentice zoalords so we don't know much about them beyond their function in the Chronos Hierarchy or how they're chosen by their superiors.

[Juggernought]

I think it depends really. Many could get promoted out of necessity...especially if the reigning zoalords are busy with a prolonged battle and many of Chronos' resources are focused on that, they would need more zoalord type people to still maintain control of Chronos. So candidates who would normally be going for hyper zoanoid processing may find that they lucked out and upgraded to an apprentice zoalord because more of them are needed.

Others are probably given the honor based on availability. If one of the current apprentice zoalord dies or even higher ranking zoalords, their places will be vacant so people get promoted up into those spots. But sometimes it could rely on your performance and intelligence. Always producing results and impressing your higher ups to the point where they feel they want to give you the 'honor' of trying you a new processing procedure or experiment, or just have an apprentice zoalord under their control.

[Sully]

Chronos wouldn't have a one method fits all policy.

Look at that the 13 offical Zoalords.

1. Valkus by pure luck found Alkanphel in his sleeping chamber. For waking him up near present times Alkanphel basically picks the first modren human he met and made him the first Zoalord (this is unknown how).

2. The rest are all selected by Valkus to make an army for Alkanphel. He goes looking for "Great men". Out of these it's unknown what he used as bases of selecting people. But we know it wasn't that all where "men". One being a living Island of plant like zoanoids who needed the Zoalord crystal of have a human like form.

3. imakarum he wasn't selected to be a Zoalord. He was captured and an old school teacher of his was years eariler captured by Chronos and forced to work for them. that teacher selected Murakami to be a test body for Gyro. The teacher did it so he'd someone who would help him kill Gyro who it knew wanted a Guyver Unit to become a Guyver Zoalord. After his dead at the hands of Gyro it was Akanphel that chose him to be the replacement and 12th Zoalord.

So looking at the offical line of Zoalords, some are selected for very different reasons, some are selected because of pure bad luck and others for pure good luck (n the case of those that actually wanted this).

As for the Aprentise Zoalords in the fan-fiction you're talking of the best and brightest hyper-zoanoid hopefuls, the likes of Risker and Valcuria who where obviously trained and wanted to be in Chronos. This is shown in All Things Change with the introduction of the Twin Zoalords who rule Brazil for Chronos. They where homeless and raised by Chronos. To them Chronos is everything, their mother father and family. Drano then for example would fit more into a mixture of luck and skill. Remember in the fan-fiction I'm taking a more realistic view of how people act. Chronos isn't Good or Evil to 90% of the world in the fiction. They got rid of poverty, hunger and most illnesses and did more for areas like Africa in 1 year that than the rest of the world did in last centry. A lot of the world would want what they have to give. A lot of the world would be thankful for it too. the fiction hasn't really touched on this as it's being based in the USA, Japan, China (realistically this would be a mix, some very rich and VERY poor people there) and Europe some of of the welthest Zones on Earth. Chronos wouldn't have made a huge difference there to a lot of people and most like in the USA would be resentful for their change in government.

The rest fo the world though wouldn't see it that way as easily. The rest of the world found itself on an even footing and now enjoy what Chronos has to give. So what if a few decide to be zoanoids, they chose that (remember in the offical stories chronos media promotes the advantages of having being zoaformed) and exceed for it for their family and freinds. A man in a previously war ravaged African country where in the past his children would be of very high risk for mortality due to simple lack of food would love Chronos for what it did. ALL his children would now live, clean water, food, education, medicne, a living protecton from war rebels (it's not like Chronos is going to allow wars and in the books offically they ended wars so indeed the zoanoid army would be seen as saviors)... Would those people be looking forward to the old world coming back or hoping for Chornos?

Simply put, Chronos will have BILLIONS of people wanting to be in Chronos, they can pick and chose the best to be a Zoalord with ease.

[McAvoy]

That and it you really think about it. The new rank structure allows for errors. I mean the previous 13 Supreme Zoalords were haphazardly picked, without a 'trial'. The new rank structure allows for these errors to be taken out before they are like Guyot. It also exapnds on the zoalord design, allowing for testing of various ideas and designs.

[Sully]

That and it you really think about it. The new rank structure allows for errors. I mean the previous 13 Supreme Zoalords were haphazardly picked, without a 'trial'. The new rank structure allows for these errors to be taken out before they are like Guyot. It also exapnds on the zoalord design, allowing for testing of various ideas and designs.

Yup and in the rewrite we know a lot more of the offical story now compared to what we knew back then (it's also helps that I also have worked in a lot of offices since then and seen a lot of how people are deviced into ranked strutures, groups and office politics compared to when I first wrote a story). If you look at the offical story Chronos as an organisation left itself with a drastic weakness against the Guyvers. That being that once the leaders started falling there was nothing ready to replace them.

The fan-fic (even more so since the rewrites have kicked in) is based on what happens after Arizona. But with one key diferrance Agito lost the battle and the Zoalords won but at great cost. 6 months later is where in the book Agito is now using his own Gigantic the fan-fic will be very different. Chronos will have it's first Prototype Zoalords in action. Zeus Thunderbolt will be on the run and it's into that world the Guyver II F will be released. All the while in the USA ACTF will grow in it's hidden bunker in the USA. The Proto-Zoalords who will later become Apprentice Zoalords (basically more stable Prototypes) will be their key opposition.

[Guyver_Astray]

The fan-fic (even more so since the rewrites have kicked in) is based on what happens after Arizona. But with one key diferrance Agito lost the battle and the Zoalords won but at great cost. 6 months later is where in the book Agito is now using his own Gigantic the fan-fic will be very different.

So in the re-write, Agito would not or will not have gained the spheres, or he did and secretely kept a Gigantic to himself without informing Sho and the others? Just want to get that out.

[Sully]

The fan-fic (even more so since the rewrites have kicked in) is based on what happens after Arizona. But with one key diferrance Agito lost the battle and the Zoalords won but at great cost. 6 months later is where in the book Agito is now using his own Gigantic the fan-fic will be very different.

So in the re-write, Agito would not or will not have gained the spheres, or he did and secretely kept a Gigantic to himself without informing Sho and the others? Just want to get that out.

Even before the re-write it was decided Agito never got the sphere's. As a plot device Agito never won the battle in Arizona (I'm sure somewhere in revenge it comments on him having being there before or did after an edit a long time ago).

The fan-fic basically had Aigot and Sho sharing the Gigantic which is wrong to have done. So only thing changing there is Sho will not in any of the fan-fics share his Gigantic with Agito. When WG2 arrives in the main fiction it will have a lot more impact what he unwitingly causes by bringing with him what he did.

[McAvoy]

Well the whole storyline actually will have to change to reflect Agito and Sho's new relationship. All the previous stories has wherever Agito goes, Sho goes.

[Sully]

Well the whole storyline actually will have to change to reflect Agito and Sho's new relationship. All the previous stories has wherever Agito goes, Sho goes.

It's not the only thing to factor in. F-WG's control medal has details how to make the Dreadnought armour.

How things used in the past in the fan-fic will have far reaching costs and factors for the fan-fic in the future that need to be factored in.

[Juggernought]

Well it would only seem logical to me that soon FWG and Dreadnought will discover this fact out as well, but probably it would be best to keep it a secret because what if the ACTF also get their hands on a warrior gigantic unit that could be used with that dormant warrior unit they currently have?

Question...could details on how to make the gigantic unit be discovered if Fiona was to form a battle collective with other warrior guyvers?

[Sully]

Well it would only seem logical to me that soon FWG and Dreadnought will discover this fact out as well, but probably it would be best to keep it a secret because what if the ACTF also get their hands on a warrior gigantic unit that could be used with that dormant warrior unit they currently have?

Question...could details on how to make the gigantic unit be discovered if Fiona was to form a battle collective with other warrior guyvers?

That ios something I won't answer now. But I'll let you guys debate it!

(I already know what my answer would be, but am reserving it for the following:

a: possibly a debate with James... aka the brain to confirm what I'm thinking.

b: Would give away a possible future plot.)

[McAvoy]

Well the whole storyline actually will have to change to reflect Agito and Sho's new relationship. All the previous stories has wherever Agito goes, Sho goes.

It's not the only thing to factor in. F-WG's control medal has details how to make the Dreadnought armour.

How things used in the past in the fan-fic will have far reaching costs and factors for the fan-fic in the future that need to be factored in.

Well I think you need War Relic control pyramid medals to make a Warrior Gigantic like Dreadnought. That may be a little hard. Natasha is merging with the only ones found in the downed Clanship. The modern Gen do not have them as well. So I think that knowledge is safe for now.

The Battle Collective seems to not share absolute knowledge but worthwhile knowledge if anything on the capabilities, sensor information, tactics, etc.

On the other hand, it is possible for the Gen of either WG WG2 universes to make Warrior Gigantics at will if they had the information.

[Sully]

The modern Gen do not have them as well. So I think that knowledge is safe for now.

You read Time War didn't you? Simply put there is more than one WG ship. One for each of the 3 parts of the WG project.

So yes, there is the possibility of 2 other Gigantics being made. Not to say that there will. But a possibilty yes.

[Juggernought]

Shadow Guyver is a being i'd like to see get some kind of upgrade..possibly his own gigantic armor, then maybe he'd make more of a mark on the battle scene...possibly even be granted the ability and satisfaction of being able to finally megasmash something

[WarriorZoalord]

Shadow Guyver is a being i'd like to see get some kind of upgrade..possibly his own gigantic armor, then maybe he'd make more of a mark on the battle scene...possibly even be granted the ability and satisfaction of being able to finally megasmash something

I don't know... judging by how similar SG looks to G3 (before he became WG3) I'd Hazard to guess He might actually be a clone of Agito... I really dont want two super powerful versions of him running around, one's enough, thanks. Especially if he can suddenly attack while invisible. The ACFT is already likely worrying about enough to worry about if SG is hidden nearby and ready to attack (Remember, he had snuck into the ACTF HQ once already and no one detected him until they went to free martin.)

[McAvoy]

The modern Gen do not have them as well. So I think that knowledge is safe for now.

You read Time War didn't you? Simply put there is more than one WG ship. One for each of the 3 parts of the WG project.

So yes, there is the possibility of 2 other Gigantics being made. Not to say that there will. But a possibilty yes.

Forgot about that.

... but would ACTF and Earth know about that? I guess we will see later.

As far as Shadow Guyver is concerned. Well WG2 looks like Guyver 1 except Warrior Guyverized. I doubt he is a clone. That and Shadow Guyver does make an impact. He is stealth which is useful for intelligence which Chronos has been using. The only other Guyver that can do that is WGV which he is more useful as a powerhouse.

[McAvoy]

Double Post

Edited January 10, 2011 by Guest

[Zoaknight]

Well, ya gotta remember that Shadow Guyver's job is basically just spying on people undetected and reporting back to Alkanphel himself, the only guy who really knows his true identity i believe. So basically Shadow Guyver's value as a secret agent is more important than his combat potential, he has an important niche to fill that not many other Chronos agents can, so he doesn't need to be anymore powerful than he already is since his job isn't to take down Dreadnought, Zeugma, Zeus, or any other supremely powerful Chronos enemies, but rather to spy on whoever the Big Man tells him to. Al has big bruisers like Black Guyver Derzerb, Warrior Guyver Vamore, and Powered Zerebubuse to take on Jason and the likes, no need to waste a perfectly good spy.

I'd rather see more powered up Zoalord characters since so many strong new guyvers have appeared recently already, ya know they're gonna need stronger Zoalords in the chain of command to maintain Chronos installations across the world with all these new "rebel upstarts" about, lol (basically upgrade their current forms in response to the new threats, and Kron and Alkanphel will likely be more powerful after they awaken so they can afford to update their troops).

BTW, it occurs to me that even though Kron is still a Master Zoalord and Imakuram is an Elite, one of the changes Sully is gonna be making is that Imakuram shall remain Second in Command of Chronos from the beginning and Kron is always going to have been Third in Command instead correct? Does this mean Imakuram will be receiving a Master Zoalord level power boost to go with his new exalted position? :mura:

[Juggernought]

Well Kron never really was apart of the "official" command structure. He lets the council run things and he concentrates on waging war and maintaining Chronos' territories. Kron can however do major changes and inflict discipline whenever he deems necessary without asking permission from anyone. Imakarum has the 2nd in command position because of his special link to Alkanphel and he knows most of what Alkanphel desires so is the best one to lead Chronos in the direction that the master zoalord wants. Kron doesn't take orders from him though, only Alkanphel. And since Alkanphel received his unit he's been awake longer than normal so basically Kron and Imakarum were held as joint 2nd command with usually kron joining his lord in battle and imakarum left to oversee things with the deployment of forces and damage control.

But since kron and Alkanphel are both recovering, Imakarum is top dog now. I don't think Chronos is capable of making master zoalords, only the creators were able to do that and as of date there are only 4 recovered now....Kron, Alkanphel, Zeugma and Solufein...Zarfel is technically one now too with his upgrade from the stones

[Sully]

But since kron and Alkanphel are both recovering, Imakarum is top dog now. I don't think Chronos is capable of making master zoalords, only the creators were able to do that and as of date there are only 4 recovered now....Kron, Alkanphel, Zeugma and Solufein...Zarfel is technically one now too with his upgrade from the stones

Solufein isn't a Master Zoalord. He's a Lost number and while powerful he's still a normal Zoalord of sorts. Technically he could kill Zeugma with his abilties and in a way there he and Damian Kane are simular (though Kane lacks any of Solufien's higher powers other than the abilty to put the fear of god into people and have them rip their own limbs off).

in the old story Kron was baiscally a 2nd in command. Through in the re-write it won't be Kron that remodels modren Chronos. It was a process already started (the proto Zoalords are simply now of age and things are ready, but no one expected Solom's attack in Europe that forces chronos to move things forward before the Gen arrive in any type of force) that he simply takes over while Imakarum is re-processed and Alknaphel sleeps. Kron is now more the consultant used by Alkanphel to do what is needed for Chronos.

As Juggernaught said Kron is mainly focused on maintaining Chronos. He's no leadership abitions only cares about doing the wishes of Alkanphel. Imakarum and Valkus are the other other two Zoalords he lets order him to do something. But on average they don't. Too the other twelve, more so the ex rogues they view Kron as an extention of Imakarum. Yet another vicious lap dog of Alkanphel.

NOTE: Offical story will impact the fic here:

I personally think Appollon in the offical story is in fact Imakarum. And since his re-activation by Alkanphel (Who used the powers of the Alk that it had built up for 6 months) he is far more powerful than before. And more so in the offical story is basically an imbodiement of Alknaphel. The reason he's taking Zoa-Crystals is because he is using them to re-charge Alkanphel and that's why Alk has awoken sooner when Valkus arrived.

NOW that did not happen in the fan-fic due to different events. But basically Imakarum is increadbily powerful this time. You're talking close to Alkanphel himself.

I think the Apollon amour is basically a suit left behind for Alkanphel, most likely for use in space.

NOTE: Again this is my own personal theory, but what I re-write will be done to support this theory though not overly done in case it blows up and it turns out Apollon is an advent warrior of some kind (if it was, why has it not gone after Guyvers? Surely they would be a bigger threat).

[Zoaknight]

Cool, I like that theory as well Sully and I LOVE the idea of Imakuram being upgraded to the point he's second in power only to Alkanphel himself (he's always been one of my fave characters from the comic/anime so I'm happy to learn he's gonna have the power to back up his leadership abilities at long last) :mura:

Will his Zoalord form remain more or less the same or is he gonna be made into one of the two different types of Biolords during the rewrite?

Edited January 7, 2011 by Guest

[Sully]

Cool, I like that theory as well Sully and I LOVE the idea of Imakuram being upgraded to the point he's second in power only to Alkanphel himself (he's always been one of my face characters from the comic/anime so I'm happy to learn he's gonna have the power to back up his leadership abilities at long last) :mura:

Will his Zoalord form remain more or less the same or is he gonna be made into one of the two different types of Biolords during the rewrite?

in the re-write he's basically a result of the Guyver books themselves. So no upgrades fic wise other than some enchancements to ensure the Gen can't control him.

[Juggernought]

Do those enhancements have anything to do with the optimization all zoalords undertook when Kron gave his ideas to Valcus to implement or was that a separate event?

[Sully]

Do those enhancements have anything to do with the optimization all zoalords undertook when Kron gave his ideas to Valcus to implement or was that a separate event?

Iamkarum's enchancements are more subtle than what happens to the other Zoalords. Again it's the main reason for them which is to stop the Gen doing what they did to Tonnin and the zoa-froms in Europe.

[McAvoy]

Cool, I like that theory as well Sully and I LOVE the idea of Imakuram being upgraded to the point he's second in power only to Alkanphel himself (he's always been one of my face characters from the comic/anime so I'm happy to learn he's gonna have the power to back up his leadership abilities at long last) :mura:

Will his Zoalord form remain more or less the same or is he gonna be made into one of the two different types of Biolords during the rewrite?

in the re-write he's basically a result of the Guyver books themselves. So no upgrades fic wise other than some enchancements to ensure the Gen can't control him.

In other words, his power won't double with the enhancements. Which makes sense since original estimates for the whole fanfic was that a zoalord and a Gigantic was 200 men. While I think individually zoalords are inferior to a zoalord, they should be far more powerful than orignally.