Gigantic Guardian?

[guyverfanatic]

How powerful would Faye aka Gaurdian be if she had her own warrior gigantic upgrade, that was upgraded to warrior type 2 with the Mark II tech also? Would that be possible?

[Sully]

Just to spice this up... Bare in mind she could potentially use the Dreadnought coccon so this would be a good valid question too considering the lack of Mark II anything in the WG universe.

[guyverfanatic]

Just to spice this up... Bare in mind she could potentially use the Dreadnought coccon so this would be a good valid question too considering the lack of Mark II anything in the WG universe.

I know she can use it... I am just wondering how much more powerful it would be with Mark II enhancements.

Edit: If the Gigantic upgrade was upgraded with Warrior Guyver Type 2 enhancements, does this mean she could boost with dual-CPM's? (Dual-CPM's = 800+ boost in power/strength)

[Juggernought]

I don't think there would be a significant boost in power just because the Gigantic unit is mk II as well...possibly many of it's systems such as the added dual cpms would be used to boost already existing powers or weapons.

Take into account the host unit can already utilize the bio-energy doubler...more than likely this trait would also be in the Gigantic unit, so already the cpm's in both the host unit and the Gigantic unit is being used to enable the user to increase power dramatically for short periods of time.

But i think the Gigantic unit's cpms in this case would more than likely function similar to the Zeus Gigantic upgrade - which is equipped with it's own dual cpm's and is linked to the HSL- this would enable Guardian Gigantic to maintain her higher power levels.

If it was on another Warrior Unit, like Female Warrior Guyver, it would then work like a mk II unit with its unique mutations, with the added ability to use the cpms to boost power and speed or defense only in Gigantic form. Other warrior units would experience different attributes i think, depending on their configurations and how their units have been modified.

As for how powerful she would be....i think she would have more power than Zeus but still less than Dreadnought.

[guyverfanatic]

I don't think there would be a significant boost in power just because the Gigantic unit is mk II as well...possibly many of it's systems such as the added dual cpms would be used to boost already existing powers or weapons.

Take into account the host unit can already utilize the bio-energy doubler...more than likely this trait would also be in the Gigantic unit, so already the cpm's in both the host unit and the Gigantic unit is being used to enable the user to increase power dramatically for short periods of time.

But i think the Gigantic unit's cpms in this case would more than likely function similar to the Zeus Gigantic upgrade - which is equipped with it's own dual cpm's and is linked to the HSL- this would enable Guardian Gigantic to maintain her higher power levels.

If it was on another Warrior Unit, like Female Warrior Guyver, it would then work like a mk II unit with its unique mutations, with the added ability to use the cpms to boost power and speed or defense only in Gigantic form. Other warrior units would experience different attributes i think, depending on their configurations and how their units have been modified.

As for how powerful she would be....i think she would have more power than Zeus but still less than Dreadnought.

Though, you have to remember, Zeus made his gigantic (like) unit using creator know-how from information stored in his own unit. I will have disagree. I think have a true warrior gigantic upgrade, the Triple HSL would be used to sustain the high power needed. Therefore, the Dual CPM's would give an extra 400+ in power.

I like that since both regular unit and the gigantic upgrade will be warrior guyver type-2 and Mark II enhanced, my (rough) guess is that her base power would be 16x, using dual CPM's brings her power to 24x, and using bio-energy doubler would give her 48x for a short period of time, but would be able to sustain longer because she has Triple HSL to supply the energy needed.

[Juggernought]

I still don't think she would have use of the cpms in that way. Just as she is in her normal guyver form, she is a type 2 warrior unit upgraded to mark II so her cpms are integrated in her hsl allowing her to boost power and to maintain a higher power level than normal warrior units.

More than likely this would be the same configuration with a warrior gigantic unit type 2 that has been upgraded to mark II. We don't have any other examples of a warrior unit with mark II enhancements so there's not much information to use....even though Ira commented that Dreadnought's enhancements was similar to a mark II upgrade, i think the matrix puts him somewhat out of contention.

I'd say it would be possible for her to fully use the CPMs if the gigantic unit were not equipped with a bio energy doubler from it's mark II enhancements, then the CPMs would be free to be used as originally intended. But if it were equipped then it would be limited to boosting the units power temporarily and maintaining a higher than normal power output for a gigantic unit of that type.

[guyverfanatic]

I dunno, I think they could be used to to dually boost her power in gigantic. I think if the warrior guyver type 2 with Mark II enhancements also had the bio-energy doubler, I think it would just enable her to use it for a longer period of time than she usually would.

Maybe James can settle this by answering or giving us a "No Comment :twisted:"

[*zeo]

General fic rule, it gets progressively harder to increase a characters power as you ramp it up. Something that I think most would agree is more realistic rather than a straight up multiplication of powers and abilities regardless of efficiencies, which we also tie into host potential as the primary limiter in determining how powerful a given host can be.

So Guardian is already pushing the limits of her unit and though a Gigantic will allow her to be even more powerful, it's an up hill increase of diminishing returns.

Add Mark II tech is really just a blanket tech upgrade that produces random results depending on what unit it is applied to, along with host characteristics, and thus what effect it will have. Like the effects on a standard G Unit are pretty limited because the Standard Guyver can't support the more advance capabilities. So you only see little changes like the ability to reverse swords but no plasma swords unless the unit is capable of that level of weaponry.

Also as a blanket tech upgrade, you have to factor what tech the host unit already has and whether the offered tech provides a superior capability or not. Basically just combining the tech of two universes that aren't completely different.

Using a Gigantic is also more of a merger, for the same reason why the Gigantic looks different on G3 than it does on G1. So really, the Mark II only has to be in either the Gigantic or the host unit to gain the benefit. Just like for Dreadnought, the Matrix is only part of WG but when he uses the Warrior Gigantic then it too benefits...

So you can basically say Juggernought is right for power levels... though her abilities and how the Gigantic would augment her may surprise you...

[guyverfanatic]

Dang... so I was wrong, lol.

Well, I for one would like to see what sort of abilities she would have as a gigantic!

[Zoaknight]

I like how the Mark II Warrior Guyver units seem to develop their own unique features and characteristics, for example, how Fay's Guardian form has the bio whips whereas Sho's new form (which needs a name I suddenly realized) possesses Gigantic type features like the shoulder pods. Guyvers, even units of the same type, seem to adapt according to their wearer's willpower, skills, and personality at times (like how Agito's old unit had more blades than Sho's or how Sho was able to go Exceed). I imagine Sho will be more powerful than ever with his new unit, even if he doesn't go Exceed anymore (though I imagine that like other Guyver Powerhouses he's able to utilize the same power levels without becoming a massive giant or something).

Sho's new form probably combines the sleeker form of a normal guyver with the raw power and defenses of a gigantic.

[Juggernought]

I think it was suggested to be Guardian 2....don't know if it's official though.

[guyverfanatic]

I think it was suggested to be Guardian 2....don't know if it's official though.

I only called him that because I couldn't think of anything else. >_> We'll have to see what Brian decides to call him.

[Zoaknight]

Juggernought wrote:

I think it was suggested to be Guardian 2....don't know if it's official though.

I only called him that because I couldn't think of anything else. >_> We'll have to see what Brian decides to call him

Might be cool to help brainstorm name ideas for Sho's new form (if Sully's okay with it and doesn't already have something in mind of course, just thought it would be something fun for everyone in the forumn to participate in)

[Juggernought]

Ha...warrior version of Deus maybe

[Spartan Warlord]

maybe because i play alot of poker but i like 'Deus!!' plus it goes hand in hand with his GWOFG counter part but instead of a repo W'Kar unit a suped up warrior unit.....obviously though weaker than the repo W-unit...

[Zoaknight]

Maybe something like "Centurion" since Faye is called "Guardian?" Might be cool to name him after some great warrior caste of old, that or "Defender" since he's got the big Gigantic shoulder pods (which means he may still have the extra shielding and muscle power, and, lets face it, Sho's a Defender/Protector above all other things, a real hero)

[guyverfanatic]

Maybe something like "Centurion" since Faye is called "Guardian?" Might be cool to name him after some great warrior caste of old, that or "Defender" since he's got the big Gigantic shoulder pods (which means he may still have the extra shielding and muscle power, and, lets face it, Sho's a Defender/Protector above all other things, a real hero)

Centurion? Sounds like a badass code name for Sho.

Although if he had a warrior upgrade like Warrior Guyver, then we could call him Warrior Deus.

[guyverfanatic]

If Faye gets a warrior gigantic upgrade, we could always call her Juggernaught.

[Zoaknight]

"tries not to laugh when thinking of Faye beating the snot out of Lorcan while saying "I'm the Juggernaut bitch!"

[*zeo]

Well, if you guys want to make suggestions then how about "SHI", which in bushido means "warrior" and refers to the warrior who serves a liege lord and embodies the (Confucian) virtues of loyalty, duty, honor, courage, filial piety, compassion, etc.

Or maybe "Tempest" for her Gigantic name?

At least something that is more feminine sounding and fits her character better...

[Zoaknight]

Well, if you guys want to make suggestions then how about "SHI", which in bushido means "warrior" and refers to the warrior who serves a liege lord and embodies the (Confucian) virtues of loyalty, duty, honor, courage, filial piety, compassion, etc.

Or maybe "Tempest" for her Gigantic name?

At least something that is more feminine sounding and fits her character better...

Oh, sorry Zeo, we were discussing names for Sho's new Warrior Guyver Mark II form, not Faye's theoretical Gigantic form (we kinda bounced back and forth between them ). I agree Juggernaut is probably not the best name for her, Tempest works, though Athena might make a good name for Faye's theoretical Gigantic form too, Greek Goddess of war

Another might be Astarte, she was a goddes of war too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astarte

[guyverfanatic]

Well, if you guys want to make suggestions then how about "SHI", which in bushido means "warrior" and refers to the warrior who serves a liege lord and embodies the (Confucian) virtues of loyalty, duty, honor, courage, filial piety, compassion, etc.

Or maybe "Tempest" for her Gigantic name?

At least something that is more feminine sounding and fits her character better...

Oh, sorry Zeo, we were discussing names for Sho's new Warrior Guyver Mark II form, not Faye's theoretical Gigantic form (we kinda bounced back and forth between them ). I agree Juggernaut is probably not the best name for her, Tempest works, though Athena might make a good name for Faye's theoretical Gigantic form too, Greek Goddess of war

Another might be Astarte, she was a goddes of war too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astarte

I like the Tempest code name more.

Yeah, Juggernaut is not really appropriate.

[McAvoy]

The Mk. II is fully capable of upgrading a Gigantic unit. There are no specific mention of the increase or added abilities. But generally, I guessed it to be about 50% increase. Which is more or less comparable to upgrading a standard Guyver which was a 70% increase. This is based on the old 2x for Gigantics BTW.

If Guardian somehow recieved a Warrior Gigantic Mk. II with integrated CPMs like Zeus's. Then we are talking about going from 600 men base level to perhaps 1,800 men base level, with a nominal 2,200 men with the integrated Gigantic CPMs, then 2,600 men temeporarily with the host unit's. 5,200 men for the Bio Energy Doubler. But this is just physical strength. More added abilities etc.

[guyverfanatic]

The Mk. II is fully capable of upgrading a Gigantic unit. There are no specific mention of the increase or added abilities. But generally, I guessed it to be about 50% increase. Which is more or less comparable to upgrading a standard Guyver which was a 70% increase. This is based on the old 2x for Gigantics BTW.

If Guardian somehow recieved a Warrior Gigantic Mk. II with integrated CPMs like Zeus's. Then we are talking about going from 600 men base level to perhaps 1,800 men base level, with a nominal 2,200 men with the integrated Gigantic CPMs, then 2,600 men temeporarily with the host unit's. 5,200 men for the Bio Energy Doubler. But this is just physical strength. More added abilities etc.

That's about what I was thinking. I wonder what sort of abilities she would get from a secondary mutation in the gigantic upgrade....