Silha Island

[Guyver_Astray]

Hope I spelled that right...

This is the island where Barcus found Archanphel right? I had read somewhere that the island had many different creatures that resembled creatures of myth.

Since i know next to little about it, figured most of you guys here would. Is it true, and what was seen on this island?

[Juggernought]

Yea that is where Barcus found Alkanphel. I think the island was the remnant of a land mass that once existed before the creators tried destroying the earth which was saved by Alkanphel. From what i can remember from the manga it was surrounded by whirlpools to either keep the creatures in or keep ppl from reaching the island. Barcus saw dinosaurs, giant insects, strange birds, mermaids, plants that didn't exist in other parts of the "modern" world. Basically the environment there was testiment to the forms of life that the Creators were experimenting with before everything gave rise to mammalian life and eventually humanity.

Also the remnants of a relic was on the island Alkanphel and some zoaforms were in cocoons within so that's how they survived through the ages. I think some of the descendants of the zoanoids built the temple around the relic, although they may have died off because Barcus did not encounter any.

Now the temple is used by Alkanphel for his hibernation periods, if it is used for other experiments and developments is unknown but possible.

On a side note.....does anyone know what happened to the navigation spheres from that old relic??

[McAvoy]

Probably vaporized by Guyver 0.

[Sully]

Basically the environment there was testiment to the forms of life that the Creators were experimenting with before everything gave rise to mammalian life and eventually humanity.

No the Creators where there before that. It's a test site of theres where they preserved life before wiping out much what happened before so that evolution could bring about a new speices to take over (aka mankind). By the time of the last great experiment of theirs mankind had taken over and recovered from a 100,000 odd year ice age proving how survivable we are. Alkanphel was made to lead us and zoanoids where made from man.

The day he awoke the Creators had one last test. Which was can man control one of their ships....

Also the remnants of a relic was on the island Alkanphel and some zoaforms were in cocoons within so that's how they survived through the ages. I think some of the descendants of the zoanoids built the temple around the relic, although they may have died off because Barcus did not encounter any.

Most likely they left the island or are still there in some fasion. We've just not seen or herd of what happened to these zoanoids. They could also be some of the founder members of Chronos. We simply do not know.

Now the temple is used by Alkanphel for his hibernation periods, if it is used for other experiments and developments is unknown but possible.

On a side note.....does anyone know what happened to the navigation spheres from that old relic??

On the day Guyver 0 happened. The Creators used a Zoanoid T-Rex to attempt to beat him. It lost and Guyver 0 won, he then went on the rampage has the Creators lost control over him. Guyver 0 used his megasmasher on a relic blowing a hole through the middle of it destroying it's navigation spheres.

Alkanphel removed the Unit-G and destroyed the host.

in fear of something more powerful than a human getting the Unit G the Creators then cripled Alk and flew off leaving a nasty surprise in a moon sized rock heading for Earth. Alk didn't take to that well and blew it up. Parts of that moon landed on Earth and caused another though shorter ice age. The landmas that was the Guyver 0 expermient became the island we now see in the manga.

[*zeo]

There were two Relics damaged by Guyver 0, the first one was severely damaged but still had access to geothermal energy; eventually becoming the base for the temple of Silha island and the reason why the island still exists.

The second Relic damaged by Guyver 0 managed to shield itself but was still damaged and I believe lost too much energy. Consequentially, I believe that it is that Relic that without a geothermal power source eventually fossilized and became the Arizona Relic.

[Sully]

the only problem I have with the theory of the Arz relic being "damaged by Guyver 0" is the raw distance between it and the Island Alk now resides in.

Yes the Island can move. But how and where and if it moved away from what is now the USA is speculation.

[*zeo]

Silha island doesn't move, at most it just submerges. The island has remained in pretty much the same spot for the last 400 years and has only been mentioned being part of continental drift.

Arizona and the Grand Canyon area do have a history of massive flooding from Sea Water, as well as volcanic deposits. . . Either or both could explain thousands of miles shift in position.

The only problem is time frame but 10,000 years is not enough for even Silha to become a island either, since it was attributed to the very slow process of continental drift. So we either except a lot happened in a very short time or the translation was never meant to match up to actual history.

[Sully]

The island resides between Protugal and Brazil (has confirmed in the books) and would be along shipping routes somewhat of the 16 hundreds. Valkcus discrips a storm that had the ship off course and then he;s the only surviver of the ship. Thats a WHOLE lot of land that isn't explained by drif so it can't be that Relic.

It also doesn't explain the living relic abadoned in Japan.

I get the feeling the Creators left a lot behind and didn't much care has they planned on obliterating the whole planet. Just a lot of it is dead by modren times.

[*zeo]

Only one Relic was blasted open by Guyver 0, the other was only damaged because it managed to raise it shields.

What is stated in the book is that Silha island formed as continental drift separated it from the mainland and it's energy kept it from sinking and it is the Relic damaged by Guyver 0 as that is stated when Archanphel went to it to sleep. This also explains how he can freely enter and leave it while the other living Relics prevented access.

It's just the other damaged Relic we have no confirmation on.

But since it is stated as damaged then it's fully possible that at the end of the ice age that the rapid ride in sea level rose enough that it could have easily washed it literally to anywhere in the world.

The only question is how accurate is the 10,000 years that Niel translated as continental drift takes far longer and the last ice age started quite a bit further back than 10,000 years ago.

We only know for certain that Archanphel took Barcus to the Arizona Relic, despite being buried over a thousand miles from Silha island. So Archanphel knew exactly where to find it and from those Navigation Spheres Barcus acquired all the knowledge that he has used for zoaforming. This despite the Relic being fossilized...

The Japan Relic is accounted for and as far as we know the one in China is intact. Then it limits the possibility to make it more likely that it is the second Relic damaged by Guyver 0...

It is also suggested in the Manga that the Relics are the reason why there was geothermal activity underneath them. Further suggesting the Arizona Relic is the only one that wasn't able to preserve itself.

[Sully]

Another possibility and why it's never being found is that the island could be moving and has being moving until Alkanphel was awoke by Valkus.

It's stated that the relics own field was what held the island together when the rest of the land around it sunk.

Has Takaya tends to base things on current events to ground his story. Is there any BIG lakes East of what is now a Chronos base in Arizona with a Relic deep in it's core?

I'd also aggree with the 10,000 years comment. The translation of the book suggests 20,000 odd years ago and all depends how well they translated the actual numbers and also how well Takaya studied the Iceages. But it's clear from the comics that the impact from the giant astroid caused an Iceage which Man kind survived much like the Advents designed them too.

[*zeo]

Takaya may be basing Silha on the legend of Atlantis. . . problem is Balcus found the island 400 years ago and it still hasn't been found but he can still find it. So more likely stationary but just not on any shipping lane and any ships that wonder too close can be destroyed by the vortexes surrounding the island.

I don't know what you are getting at about a Lake?

[Sully]

Takaya may be basing Silha on the legend of Atlantis. . . problem is Balcus found the island 400 years ago and it still hasn't been found but he can still find it. So more likely stationary but just not on any shipping lane and any ships that wonder too close can be destroyed by the vortexes surrounding the island.

I don't know what you are getting at about a Lake?

This is something you said James. Basically Takaya bases his story on real life places.

SO, if the island moved froma location near the Ariz relic (which bare in mind was ground level when Guyver 0 hit it with his mega-smasher and would have to be close by the one he blew a hold through it). There would be a missing land mass from a location near by the Arizona base to account for that land mass that is now out in the Atlantic sea somewhere between Protugal and Brizal (SO many many many miles away where the mega-smasher counldn't possibly hit it due to the curve on the earths Crust it would have ended up in space first).

[Guyver_Astray]

Could the island be hidden within a cloak of some kind? Some Creator tech. that was left active that keeps the island hidden from moddern life?

[Juggernought]

I don't think so, like it was said above it just moves around alot because of the shifting earth plates, and in areas where human in their boats and in the modern age planes don't normally travel. Plus such a place would even go unnoticed even by modern standards because how would you know what to look for if you never knew it was there?

I think Balcus was able to find the island again because perhaps it only moves from a location after a period of time, so say in another 400 years it would naturally be in a totally different and unknown spot. Or Alkanphel could have disclosed this information to him where the island will be since Balcus was his first zoalord and one of the most trusted ones second to Imakarum of course.

[McAvoy]

The problem is that Earth's plates more or less move only an inch a year. Tanslated:

400 years = 33.3 feet or 10 meters

10,000 years = 833 feet or 254 meters

or Wg's estimate

2,500,000 years: 39.5 miles or 63 kilometers

Also an asteroid hit that was shown in the manga will still have consequences even if it was 10,000 years ago.

[*zeo]

This is something you said James. Basically Takaya bases his story on real life places.

SO, if the island moved froma location near the Ariz relic (which bare in mind was ground level when Guyver 0 hit it with his mega-smasher and would have to be close by the one he blew a hold through it). There would be a missing land mass from a location near by the Arizona base to account for that land mass that is now out in the Atlantic sea somewhere between Protugal and Brizal (SO many many many miles away where the mega-smasher counldn't possibly hit it due to the curve on the earths Crust it would have ended up in space first).

Uh, that's the opposite of what I said. It's the Arizona Relic that I think moved, having basically died and fossilized it wouldn't have been grounded like the others and could have just washed away with the ocean currents until it floated into Arizona when it was flooded by sea water and then subsequent flooding and other local geological activity could have buried it.

But as McAvoy has emphasized the timing is an issue but I suppose we couldn't expect all of Takaya's story to make accurate sense.

Though Silha island was part of a larger island that sank. But even then 10,000 years hardly seems like enough time if plate movement was the only factor.

[Sully]

Being washed away that distance would take alot, also that it would have went up stream.

It's also being said by Chronos that there are other Relics. Relics point for example is a more recent discovery (being disocvered hy Murakami's old teacher). Most though are more dead than the one in Arizona though.

[Juggernought]

So then is it possible that a select few in chronos namely, Alkanphel, Balcus and most likely Imakarum knows the location of some of these other relics? Maybe they're just waiting for the opportune time to use their resources.

[*zeo]

Being washed away that distance would take alot, also that it would have went up stream.

Not all land mass is above sea level, they're just inland, and once the Relic starts floating on the sea, just like anything else at sea the currents can take it to just about anywhere else on the planet in just weeks to months, a tiny fraction of the 10,000 year period.

Also when Arizona got flooded by the sea, it would have been downstream and not upstream. And this is not even counting tsunami's, which could have done it a lot faster.

Most though are more dead than the one in Arizona though.

We don't really know the status of the other Relics, we can only confirm Chronos knows of at least one other in China.

Also you can't get more dead than fossilized, the only thing left useful in the Arizona Relic was its Navigation Spheres.

[Sully]

time is the problem with most things you suggest James.

the Relic in Ariz is burried under a mountain much like the way the Japan Relic was (though in the Japanese case it was suggested it was in fact a pyrimd / manmade or even zoanoid made). In fact it's quite possible it had failed long before the Creators had left (guess we'll know more has the story of what Guyver 3 sees goes on) and that it had being there for a long time.

The status of the other relics was confirmed in the books during the fight over the Ariz relic.

Here it is...

... Underneath us lies a derelict ship...

p6

Oh...

p7

The structure has been in ruin for some time now, but...

... Fortunately the memory unit is still functioning...

The ship that is found under the sanctuary of the island Silha lost the memory unit because of a serious accident that happened a long time ago...

... This is the last functioning device for vital maintenance...

Hamical...

I can assist you...

Your task is...

... To create, Using the knowledge that you obtain from this memory unit, soldiers in a position to become my followers...

p8

Understood?

THIS IS NOT A REQUEST!

Yes...

... OF COURSE!

(translation provided by the guys at Japan Ledgend.

[*zeo]

(though in the Japanese case it was suggested it was in fact a pyrimd / manmade or even zoanoid made). In fact it's quite possible it had failed long before the Creators had left (guess we'll know more has the story of what Guyver 3 sees goes on) and that it had being there for a long time.

Translation already states the pyramid is the temple built over the Relic in which Archanphel sleeps and it was done by those who worshiped him after the creators had already left. The whole island is kept afloat by the energy field from the Relic, which also powers the whirlpools surrounding the island.

The status of the other relics was confirmed in the books during the fight over the Ariz relic.

Yes, it refers to the damage Guyver 0 did to the Silha island relic.

We also know they can't get into the other Relics, so that leaves the Arizona one as the only one they could just walk up to the Navigation Spheres and it may be the only one that had data on the Creator projects as the Japan one didn't.

[Zoaknight]

I wonder if any of the creatures living on that island could be made into Zoanoids/Zoalords. Waferdanos was never human himself afterall "ponders what a Zoalord Mermaid would look like" :mura:

[Zoaknight]

So, we know Arcanfel's been resting on Silha most of the time and that only a select few know of his presence there, do ya think any of the creatures living on the island have been zoaformed so as to protect their master while he rests?

[Juggernought]

Well he really didn't need any further protection since no once could find the island anyway....Balcus probably lucked out because Alkanphel wanted him there. Those animals would have just been experiments left over by the creators left to thrive in that protected environment to evolve further on their own.