Bio Lords

[McAvoy]

If you read Kron's datafile prior to him becoming what he is now, he was twice as powerful as Supreme Zoalord Imakarum or as powerful as a Elite Zoalord.

We know that Creator made zoalords are naturally more advanced than Chronos made ones. But do you think it is possible for Chronos to make all their Elite Zoalords into Biolords like Kron?

[Juggernought]

I think it's possible, perhaps not right away but maybe in stages. I think they already have a Bio-Lord in Alfred Drano. Maybe not equivalent to a Creator type bio lord but he does have increased powers and abilities with the bio-titan processing on top of the zoalord powers.

[*zeo]

Alfred Drano has a special relationship with the Bio-Titans. . .

[McAvoy]

There are two types of Biolords. Kron is a bio booster armor type enhanced zoalord. Drano is a zoalord version of the Bio Titan.

We are talking about Kron's bio armor enhancement and what it would do to the Elite Zoalords.

[Juggernought]

Well i think it would give the Elite Zoalords basic guyver weaponry similar to Kron's enhancements and it could also boost some of their zoalord attributes ie: psychic powers to master zoalord levels. Their baseline power would also increase because having the control medal enhancement to their zoacrystals would enable them to regenerate from just that alone.

Also having the HSL would basically make them nearly as difficult to kill as the warrior guyvers. Overall they could produce similar power boost those stones had on zarfel but not near as powerful and with only guyver weaponry added.

[McAvoy]

Well it is curious whether or not they can reach Kron's power level since Kron is more advanced than the Elite Zoalords and that might have given him the advntage of the Bio Armor upgrade more easily bonding to him.

It would obviously give the Elite Zoalords some basic weaponry like Kron, and maybe double their base powers.

The question is whether or not Chronos really wants to give the Elite Zoalords those upgrades. While it greatly enhance their chances of surviving, it would also givem them a great power base to work from. After all, Warrior Guyvers (except for perhaps WG4) are equal to them and are much harder to kill. On top of that 4x beings are common. Very few beings can take on Kron, imagine twelve more Krons.

[Juggernought]

For right now i think Chronos is still too focused in keeping the zoalords as the most powerful beings. I forgot who said it, but one of the zoalords mentioned that they didn't want guyver powered beings, kavzar or otherwise ruling Chronos. They fear a power greater than theirs in Chronos so try and keep a tight control on zoanoids that get produced..

[McAvoy]

Keep in mind I meant the Elite Zoalord becoming Bio Lords like Kron.

[Juggernought]

I think Chronos might do that, however since it would take time to process them and Chronos is in no position right now to use resources to upgrade them.

Btw - does anyone know what exactly the Bio-Unit is? Was it an abandoned experimental unit that was apart of the warrior project or was it a guyver enhancement specifically developed for master zoalords?

[WarriorZoalord]

I believe the bio-unit was chronos created from the information they got from the warrior guyver, so its chronos tech, NOT creator tech.

[*zeo]

Based upon regular Guyver tech, Archanphel's unit is the closest they've come to Warrior tech. . . short of actually using Warrior Tech like Warrior Guyver Vamore, etc.

[McAvoy]

Bio Lord upgrade that Kron has is Chronos made. Kind of like their own version of a Guyver unit but made for Zoalords.

The unit Alkanphel has is a uncomplete unit that had some it's systems reactivated, most importantly it's regenerative systems which was considered to be important, since he was basically dying.

But like I said, Kron is of a more advanced nature than let's say Imakarum. Kron may be able to handle any of kind of upgrade like the Bio Lord upgrade than Elites. Perhaps Destrol could too since he does have Alkanphel though watered down DNA in him.

[Zoaknight]

To me it would make alot of sense for Chronos to create more Zoalords who can tap into bio-titan like powers like Kron and Alfred, that way for every bio-titan on the battle field, said Biolord becomes that much more powerful. The Zoalords were created to lead the zoanoids, so altering the existing Zoalords into a forms that could make the most use of their bio-titan and Gliddean warriors makes strategic sense and would help them stay on top even against entire armies of Kavzars and warrior guyver type beings.

They wouldn't have to be guyver enhanced beings like Kron or Tonnin (who's kavzar enhanced), but having abilities like Alfred sounds like a wise investment (and saves them the trouble of having to create more master zoalords).

Also, I agree that finding more of those power boosting stones, or duplicating them, would be another smart move by Chronos (the key to winning over all these other guyver using factions and the Advents army of kavzars is boosting the power of their Zoalords any way they can, short of using a Guyver unit, which Alkanphel would never allow)

[Juggernought]

Only problem with those options is that it takes a lot of time and resources to create zoalords and time at the moment is certainly something they don't have. Also those stones are a hit and a miss. No one knows where they are located if there are even more of them. And the chances of finding them and implanting them in beings that would make a difference is far in between.

[Zoaknight]

Well, I realize they don't have time to upgrade their Zoalords now since they're in the middle of a huge war for control of that clan ship and against those Grakken, but afterwards I figure that it would be a good idea to upgrade their higher ranking Zoalords so that they can reap the most benefits from their bio-titan army (the lower ranking Zoalords and overlords can remain as is, the generals are the ones that need to at their fighting peek when the drenn hits the fan and they gotta lead those bio-titans into battle).

As for the power inducing stones, they could take samples from or just study Zarfel so that they can begin making artificial versions of whatever those things are (something which should be within their capabilities if Kron was able to give himself warrior guyver like bio armor from just a sample of Jason's old armor).

[Sully]

Bio Lord upgrade that Kron has is Chronos made. Kind of like their own version of a Guyver unit but made for Zoalords.

Yeah... but question for you guys, who made that lovely thing and what happened to said person?

[Zoaknight]

If I recall correctly Natasha created the bio unit used on Kron, and she's still alive (and a matrix warrior guyver herself now I think), and Aptom absorbed her lover and killed the rest of the staff involved in their project (that Aptom, always crashing everyone else's party :apt: ). Regardless, even if they couldn't make another WG based bio unit, they could at least create more biolords akin to Alfred Drano (who's not guyver based I think, just a Zoalord with bio-titan enhancements). :

[Sully]

If I recall correctly Natasha created the bio unit used on Kron, and she's still alive

Yes she's alive..... as the the rest "No Comment "

[McAvoy]

To me it would make alot of sense for Chronos to create more Zoalords who can tap into bio-titan like powers like Kron and Alfred, that way for every bio-titan on the battle field, said Biolord becomes that much more powerful. The Zoalords were created to lead the zoanoids, so altering the existing Zoalords into a forms that could make the most use of their bio-titan and Gliddean warriors makes strategic sense and would help them stay on top even against entire armies of Kavzars and warrior guyver type beings.

They wouldn't have to be guyver enhanced beings like Kron or Tonnin (who's kavzar enhanced), but having abilities like Alfred sounds like a wise investment (and saves them the trouble of having to create more master zoalords).

Also, I agree that finding more of those power boosting stones, or duplicating them, would be another smart move by Chronos (the key to winning over all these other guyver using factions and the Advents army of kavzars is boosting the power of their Zoalords any way they can, short of using a Guyver unit, which Alkanphel would never allow)

Kron and Drano are different. Drano is a Zoalord version of the Bio Titan. Where Kron is a Creator made Zoalord merged with a Chronos made Bio Armor.

Chronos can make Bio-Zoalords like Drano, but Kron would be a different story.

[Zoaknight]

McAvoy wrote: Kron and Drano are different. Drano is a Zoalord version of the Bio Titan. Where Kron is a Creator made Zoalord merged with a Chronos made Bio Armor.

Chronos can make Bio-Zoalords like Drano, but Kron would be a different story.

Hhhhmm...If they took samples from Warrior Guyver Vamore couldn't they make another bio armor like Kron's? Alternatively, they could make Kron type Biolords from samples taken from any of their Chronos Guyvers (except for those with Krullnar/Draven test units on like Powered Zerebubuth right?), only without the hyper space link of a warrior guyver they'd lack unlimited/nearly unlimited stamina. Studying the Eliminator's tech would also be a worthwhile endeavor since it has some Warrior Guyver type tech that could conceivably be incorporated into a Biolord. Natasha's probably even smarter than she used to be with the Matrix Warrior Guyver armor she has on right now (weaker than Dreadnought obviously, but with her keen mind and the Matrix's abilities...Her worth to Chronos may be exceedingly greater now than before).

[Juggernought]

Well so far the bio-lord armor upgrade both came from incomplete units/prototypes used when developing the warrior units. And because of their incomplete nature they were able to provide basic guyver abilities to the 2 top master zoalords (Alkanphel and Kron). In Kron's case due to Chronos's extensive research on the normal guyver units as well as warrior guyver scans they were able to place implants in him and his control medal that allowed him to activate and control the bio-unit without it going rogue on him. It also give him a boost in power and gave him guyver like properties and weaponry.

For Alkanphel it was slightly different because his unit was stable just not with all the complete stages of a normal warrior unit due it rejecting all of the combined specs of the other units used to develop the warrior unit. Natasha due to her genius was able to activate whatever it was inside the unit that was preventing it from achieving full guyver status. So in a sense it is still on its way to achieving guyverhood but still in the bio upgrade category.

There are also other zoalords that already incorporate guyver inspired enhancements; Destrol with his vibrational swords, Zarfel same thing,

Plus Chronos are well on their way to creating more Bio armor upgrades because they have already created an artificial unit - although they lost it and it still has problems - but with the advanced units they have now, chances are they will have much more knowledge to make this upgrade a standard thing amongst zoalords with only the likes of Kron and Alkanphel themselves approaching a true guyver status.

[Zoaknight]

All very good points Juggernaut, Chronos has been making great strides recently, and I'd certainly love to see more of these advanced Biolord upgrades in the future (both Guyver type versions like Alkanphel and Kron and the bio-titan like versions seen in Alfred Drano).

Come to think of it, there are still Disciple Zoalords we haven't seen in action yet really or at least don't know their abilities in great detail, like Damian Kane or the two Zoalord Twins...I wonder what abilities they may have? If the two Twins underwent the same upgrade as Drano then they'd always be operating at peak capacity since they'd be able to draw on/combine their power with one another since they're always together (that's what I'd do at least). Kane doesn't seem to possess any super advanced features that I've seen thus far (i.e. he's not a biolord, no idea if he has any guyver like enhancements like vibrational swords, etc).

Also...Could the power inducing stones placed inside Zarfel be duplicated/cloned for use in other Zoalords?

[Juggernought]

The stones are a mystery for everyone right now, it was pure luck that Zarfel even found the ones he has currently implanted in his body. What the brief study on them revealed is unknown but from what Sully was hinting at is that it is a part of something much bigger than anyone realizes.

I'd say the twins are probably optimized for brain power mostly, because they aren't fully matured physically - i'm assuming - perhaps their bodies can't withstand a full optimization and contain the full power of zoalords so it may be in stages that they are being optimized.

From the story it also seems that Damien kane's power relies on feeding off the fear of the people around him to augment his powers. He may have the base powers of a zoalord but without additional feedback from mentally afraid beings who can't shield themselves from his mental attacks he's not very effective, especially against guyvers.

Plus i think Alfred Drano's unique power relies on the fact that if he has bio titans around him his weapons receive a boost depending on how much power he can siphon from the bio titans to augment it. i don't think he can remain at peak efficiency by continuing to take their energy, because it can be exhausting to do so and over a period of time the raw power being transferred frequently could very well take its tole on his body.

[McAvoy]

My guess now with the updates is that Chronos has no wish to make their own Guyvers. Bio Titans are more powerful and loyal. Guyvers are not. That and Guyver II F seems to be inferior.

I think with that knowledge and tests on Warrior Guyver allowed the design of the Bio Lord upgrade for Kron. Chronos is smart enough to know that making a Guyver Zoalord is a sure way of destroying Earth before Chronos is ready. It is also possible that they may have trouble of creating a stable upgrade for Zoalords. So what we see for Kron may be the limit.

It also seems Kron is more powerful than he was before the rewrites. Zeus was able to take on zarfel one on one which means Kron is roughly the same power.

[WarriorZoalord]

if you guys ever read the GWOTG fics, they have an upgrade for zoalords as well referred to as a "Wyvern unit" It increased a zoalords powers much like a bio-unit but it didnt have all the guyver like enhancements.

I remember Agito picking it up in the GWOTG universe after he lost his unit and processed himself into a zoalord. if the bio-lord units work the same way, i can see chronos giving them to their zoalords for one reason only.... Wyvern units when activated made it so that the zoalord couldn't bond with a guyver unit at all.