Shenzon Posted December 13, 2008 Posted December 13, 2008 I'm not sure if this has been brought up before, but if Warrior Alkanphel was vaporised except for his control medal, could the unit regenerate a Zoacrystal? Something I've always wondered about Warrior Alkanphel being vaporised in battle. Also, not sure if this has been asked as well, does Warrior Alkanphel's unit have the ability to teleport to Hyperspace for regeneration? Quote
WarriorZoalord Posted December 13, 2008 Posted December 13, 2008 remember, the CM stores all genetic info on the host, so its possible, of course, alky can apparently regenerate his crystals anyway, since the crystals of the 12 supreme zoalords were once his own. Quote
sonarelite Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Yes this true that the 12 supreme zoalords zoacrystals came from alky but I think shenzon meant can alky control crystal auto teleport into hyperspace just like all other warrior guyver units. The answer I believe is NO if I remember right alkys unit was a failed prototype thrown away and incomplete by its maker Solum. I think it was natasha who found a way for the failed unit to be able to gain a hyperspace link so that alky can recharge his depleted energy supply without the BIG sleep, and I think thats all she could do with that unit. I may be wrong been a long time since I read the wg fics. Quote
WarriorZoalord Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 if i remember correctly, the auto-teleport thing still works, but if i remember, he never teleported to hyperspace because his bodies still there and he didnt consiously teleport himself there. meaning if it was just the CM left, i think it could do that, but so long as he still has his body, i dont htink the unit will send him there for anything short of total body estruction or decapitation. Quote
Shenzon Posted December 15, 2008 Author Posted December 15, 2008 Yes this true that the 12 supreme zoalords zoacrystals came from alky but I think shenzon meant can alky control crystal auto teleport into hyperspace just like all other warrior guyver units. The answer I believe is NO if I remember right alkys unit was a failed prototype thrown away and incomplete by its maker Solum.I think it was natasha who found a way for the failed unit to be able to gain a hyperspace link so that alky can recharge his depleted energy supply without the BIG sleep, and I think thats all she could do with that unit. I may be wrong been a long time since I read the wg fics. Ahh ok, yeah I couldn't remember as well if Natasha had repaired that part or not. I don't remember her mentioning it was done. Quote
Juggernought Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 We may see him get more powers via his guyver unit, once we find out the effects the matrix shards have on the newly birthed Warrior Natasha...currently she's still in a transformation coma like state. Could be that she can get the insight to activate many of the dormant systems even though we know it will never reach full power. Quote
WarriorZoalord Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 We may see him get more powers via his guyver unit, once we find out the effects the matrix shards have on the newly birthed Warrior Natasha...currently she's still in a transformation coma like state. Could be that she can get the insight to activate many of the dormant systems even though we know it will never reach full power. Though remember, I don't think Alk wants a true bio-boosting unit, or else he would have just gone with a normal unit, he just wants the energy link and weaponry. Quote
Juggernought Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 I know, didn't say he did. The current unit he has suits him just fine for his needs. Quote
McAvoy Posted December 24, 2008 Posted December 24, 2008 Answer the first question, yes it could regenerate his own zoacrystals. There is no mention of auto teleporting for Alkanphel's unit. The simple reason why Alkanphel wants that unit over even a standard unit that over time it can become much more. Right now as a Guyver, the Creators damage to him is gone and he is slowly recovering. The other reaosn is that if he were to become a full Guyver Alkanphel which would make him 4,000x which would make him much more powerful than anything the Creator could deal with. Right now if a Guyver Zoalord were be to created they would simply destroy the Earth (or the Sun). SAo if his doesn't bio boost him the Creators wouldn't take much notice. Hell, even if the unit was repaired to even bio boost him to 2x or 3x that would bring him near Guyver Zoalord levels. Quote
Juggernought Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Very true....i think once Warrior Guyver Natasha recovers and reestablishes her place in Chronos once again as either a combatant or head researcher on Warrior unit bio armor technology...some of her first priorities could be; - Figuring out what enhancements the matrix shards did to her unit. - If given any information from the matrix, how best to use that for Chronos' benefit. - Further enhancing Alkanphel's unit...perhaps prioritizing it to, increased HSL link to normal Warrior Guyver levels, Auto Hyper Space teleportation when host is too damaged, hyper sensors, and in essence increasing all powers to normal warrior levels barring the bio-boost function. Quote
gelionlegends Posted February 16, 2009 Posted February 16, 2009 Hell, even if the unit was repaired to even bio boost him to 2x or 3x that would bring him near Guyver Zoalord levels. Well, from that I would say you would be wrong in that it could boost him close to the Guyver Zoalord level as all that's said about the unit bonding to the Zoalord was a standard and only did the same boosting as normal. While you have gone and said 2x or 3x times bio boosting Alkanphel, who is supposed to be the most powerful of the Zoalords. So he would be even more powerful than the previous Guyver-Zoalord, plus it being a Warrior Unit; even though of a lesser level compared to Jason's before the Matrix. Sorry if I come off a bit raving and blunt but you have to agree that small part about the boosting 2x or 3x if it just did the normal boosting for a standard it would be the same as a GZ, though if it only did 50% or less boosting than a standard then it would make him less powerful than a GZ. Quote
Juggernought Posted February 16, 2009 Posted February 16, 2009 The unit that bonded to the zoalord was only really around half the power of a regular Guyver, also the Zoalord probably wasn't one of the strongest models out there...yet it still boosted his power to well over 200x. He didn't have the time to achieve full power before he was destroyed. Without his bio armor, Archanphel is still the most powerful Zoalord. He was made to be the ruler of them all and every Zoalord no matter their power still trembles and feels overwhelmed in his presence, no matter how defiant they may be....eg: Guyot's reaction to Alkanphel, even in his human form. Currently, I think, Archanphel hovers somewhere between 30x-35x the power of a guyver. Dreadnought is around 28x and Alk is still slightly stronger than he is. If his unit were to bio boost him 2x or 3x he would be in the 60x-110x range. This is only mostly physical power really, his powers and abilities would far exceed those levels and his vast psionic abilities could enhance his powers far beyond his current levels. So if he got 50% of a normal bio-boost, that would put him well above the level of the Guyver Zoalord..100% well, you get the picture by now. A Guyver Archanphel could probably kill Anubis at his current level. Quote
*zeo Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 Yes, the Unit the Guyver Zoalord bonded to was modified to give him less than the full Bio-Boost but the Zoalord himself was also not that powerful of a Zoalord to begin with and the combination of those two factors is why he was only about 200x but this is still significant since Zoalords are capable of what I would call ultimate attacks that are far beyond their normal power levels and thus he would eventually have had sufficient energy reserves that would have allowed him to destroy the entire planet. . . I agree Archanphel is probably around 35x, though he may be as high as 50x, when he was at his full power but because Archanphel believes the Creators would try to destroy him before he could reach full power as a Guyver Zoalord that he decided not to become a Guyver Zoalord. Consequently, the incomplete prototype Warrior Unit he is bonded to essentially doesn't boost him at all to avoid tipping off the Creators. Thus the intended purpose was simply to facilitate the regeneration needed to fully heal him back to his original full power, which is quite significant all by itself and he still benefits with the limited HSL that helps renew his energy reserves, an ability available to no other Zoalords. Remember Archanphel stopped a Meteor from destroying the Earth that by McAvoy's own estimates, based on visual analysis of the Manga image of what the Meteor would have looked like had it impacted the Earth, seem to indicate it was about the size of the planet Mars. The power requirements of destroying anything that size and only leave a couple of fragments barely large enough to trigger an ice age is far more than most people can even imagine. To compare the Gigantic's Giga Smashers to the power Archanphel demonstrated would be like comparing a fire cracker to a nuclear bomb. Even the Exceed version may not have enough power to equal that level of power. Though normally Archanphel's abilities are probably far less but even crippled as he is now in the Manga, essentially slowly dying, he is still said to be capable of confronting all the other Zoalords and winning. At the very least he demonstrated the ability of piloting the Ark all by himself even though it normally requires all the Zoalord's combined power to do so, though the strain forced him into a premature hibernation period. Consequently, if not for his vulnerable hibernation periods even the Gigantic may not be capable of defeating him. Of course Archanphel faces far more grave threats in the WG fan fiction and so bringing him back to full power works without threatening to make him a fic ender. But in the Manga, just like the other Zoalords, his power is ultimately finite and thus has its limits while Guyvers can continuously renew their power. Quote
McAvoy Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 Gigantic Exceed is 8,000x more massive than normal. Assuming this figure (figure what you will, it's hard to estimate), then the Exceed Giga Smashers would be in the 80 Gigaton range, far from the Alkanphel's Ultimate Attack. As far as I am concerned, I see two possbilities when the Gigantic vs. Alkanphel. Either a.) the Gigantic is far more powerful and no one has yet to release it's full potential or b.) the Gigantic is based on Alkanphel's current much weaker state where Alkanphel is mere fraction of his original power. Also, Warrior Alkanphel is mainly benefiting from the fact that his power went from a range of ~10x to 35x when he bonded to that incomplete unit. It is also my hteory, that with the Guyver unit, the mental command that the Creators gave him to not move would be lifted, since Creators could not command Guyvers. If he were to bond to a standard unit, it would take a long time for him to reach full power, since his zoalord form isn't exactly at full power. 2x or 3x Warrior Alkanphel would be 100 to 150x at full power. More like 70 to 105x right now. A full blown Warrior Guyver Alkanphel would be 20,000x or as a standard unit, 5,000x. Anubis at full power anf fully repaired, would be 4,000x. Quote
*zeo Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 Far is right, Archanphel would have to have used nearly as much energy as say a Star Wars Death Star would have to destroy that Mars size Asteroid and that's a few orders of magnitude greater then even the total energy output of the sun. . . Like 6 months worth! 80 Gigatons wouldn't even register as a spark in comparison. Really, 80 Gigatons is just enough to vaporize your average state or small country, which is like comparing a pebble to a mountain when you start getting into planetary scale masses. But the Exceed's black hole attack could be an equalizer. Quote
McAvoy Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 80 Gigatons is enough to wipe out a whole mid size state, if it's released like an atomic bomb. The Black Hole would be good enough because it would be self sustaining however, such an attack if not used properly could destroy the Earth. It has been estimated that the Death Star's Superlaser maybe more powerful than what was needed to destroy a planet. But it depends who you talk to about that issue. Quote
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