Guyver Derzerb

[*zeo]

No Comment on a Guyver Darzerb but there are some interesting turn of events in the Manga, such as the possibility that each Hyper isn't a one off creation but it's just very hard to make additional of the exact same design.

So we might see some previously destroyed Hypers make a appearance again in the Manga, which fits into how we've been using them in the fan fic.

[Juggernought]

Wouldn't the difference be in the subjects they use? Just like how each person is different from each other based on separate genetic traits. Either the processing turns out slightly different or they have to alter the process depending on the potential of each subject.

[*zeo]

To an extent, Zoaforming is altering a person's DNA to match a predetermined design. Depending on the person will determine the success rate and whether any random mutations will occur.

For Hypers the Success rate is just very low and there is more chance for random mutations. But given enough resources it can still be done.

It's like stamping a template, depending on your raw materials and the complexity of the template will determine how well the stamping succeeds vs fails. But given enough force and time then the stamping can be applied to any material but it gets harder the more complex the template.

[McAvoy]

Twins would make it easier for a repeat zoaform...

[Zoaknight]

I guess the Chronos of the WG universe found a way to get past those random mutations and turn hyper zoanoids into readily reproduces mass production models.

A guyver version of any of the Hyper Zoanoid team five would be fierce, I'd like to see a Guyver Neo-Zektole or Gaster myself.

However, I wonder why Crane, the Guyver Zoanoid, hasn't been reoptimized yet. I mean, with Chronos facing many anti-Chronos factions on earth, the grakken, and the Gen, it makes sense to gain as many powerhouses as possible. Couldn't they upgrade the Guyver Zoanoid's zoaform so that when he becomes a guyver he becomes that much more powerful? He may not be as powerful as Guyver Powered Zerebebuse but he'd still be a much more helpful addition to Chronos's forces after such an upgrade (and we know such upgrades are possible from Powered Zerebusbuse and Neo-Zektole).

[Juggernought]

All the zoaforms made so far was created through accidents mere coincidence or planned by the Gen. Chronos would not purposefully create one because no zoalord can control them, and they are as powerful as most zoalords and could present a threat. The guyver zoaforms now merely serve Chronos out of complete loyalty and their own will.

[Sully]

However, I wonder why Crane, the Guyver Zoanoid, hasn't been reoptimized yet.

Simple reason, they cant as they can't remove his unit. There is a reason though why Chronos wanted Guyver's in their forces and Guyver 2 and Guyver Zoanoid are still around and that Alkanphel didn't just say "cool no need to hunt Guyver 1 and Guyver 3 any more, lets use these guys repaired Units!". But that's something I'll not say just yet as it's a major spoiler of what will be in the re-writes.

[Zoaknight]

Okay Sully, I'll try to wait for the answers as they unfold

And I honestly didn't know it wasn't possible to reoptimize a zoanoid bonded to a guyver unit, I figured all they would have to do was deactivate their unit and go into a reoptimazation tank, do that genetic voodoo that chronos does so well, and bam, ya got yourself a stronger zoaform, which of course means stronger guyver form when activated. Guess its never that simple

[Juggernought]

Well a good example could even be Pre-Warrior Guyver, when he came back from Time War and was severely weakened. Even though he wasn't a zoanoid the unit self activated with nothing but a simple scan. So trying to optimize him would only result in the same thing. Although i don't see how they cannot remove the unit with a unit remover if they had one. Could it be something unique about the unit that prevents this?

[*zeo]

Basic Guyver feature, it stores host data at the time of bonding. Logical consequence is that when it regenerates the host it uses that original genetic pattern and thus any alternations would be reversed. So since Chronos doesn't have the technology to alter a Guyver Unit or the data stored in the CM. Then the unit must be removed first before the host can be altered.

[McAvoy]

I'd agree with that statement before we found out about Guyver F II in the manga. I think with a little bit of research in that field may allow Chronos to overcome that.

[Zoaknight]

And even if they couldn't overcome that, Chronos could remove Crane's unit, reoptimize his zoaform to something stronger, reequip his unit, and bam, they'd have another powerful, yet still manageable Guyver Hyper Zoanoid (nowhere near as strong as Guyver Powered Zerebubus but perhaps something akin to the now long dead Guyver Zerebubus).

Here's a riddle for ya though, would an Enzyme with a guyver unit be a self-destructive combination?

[Sully]

And even if they couldn't overcome that, Chronos could remove Crane's unit, reoptimize his zoaform to something stronger, reequip his unit, and bam, they'd have another powerful, yet still manageable Guyver Hyper Zoanoid (nowhere near as strong as Guyver Powered Zerebubus but perhaps something akin to the now long dead Guyver Zerebubus).

Here's a riddle for ya though, would an Enzyme with a guyver unit be a self-destructive combination?

Question for you though, why would they want a more powerful Guyver zoa-form? By it's nature being Guyver it's not controllable.

Also remember his unit is one of the units from Utah.

[McAvoy]

And even if they couldn't overcome that, Chronos could remove Crane's unit, reoptimize his zoaform to something stronger, reequip his unit, and bam, they'd have another powerful, yet still manageable Guyver Hyper Zoanoid (nowhere near as strong as Guyver Powered Zerebubus but perhaps something akin to the now long dead Guyver Zerebubus).

Here's a riddle for ya though, would an Enzyme with a guyver unit be a self-destructive combination?

Question for you though, why would they want a more powerful Guyver zoa-form? By it's nature being Guyver it's not controllable.

Also remember his unit is one of the units from Utah.

This is true. Crane isn't exactly a controllable zoaform. If he was then he would have never bonded to the unit.

[Juggernought]

Although he did do that out of desperation because he couldn't effectively capture Guyver US with the resources he had.

[Zoaknight]

Well, they created Warrior Guyver Vamore on purpose right? Same with Natasha? I figure that with all the incredibly powerful new guyver units running around across the globe, mostly belonging to anti-chronos factions, and with the grakkens and creators coming after them, Chronos needs to up the anty and get as much firepower on their side as possible. A Hyper Zoanoid Crane wouldn't have to be made as powerful as Warrior Guyver Vamore or Powered Zerebubuse, but powerful enough to be actually useful in battles against high level guyvers like Dark Nova and Dreadnought, and the Enforcer Kavzars of the Creators. Its either that or start upgrading their Zoalords after the Grakken battle, they need more warriors with strength levels over 1000 if they want to win the war.

Oh, and I just remembered, Zariyan ordered to have the one existing Chronos Nova Guyver upgraded into an Overlord so that his zoa powers would give him an edge over the other Nova Guyvers, that should interesting to see

[Juggernought]

Natasha became a guyver by mistake, she was inspecting the damaged wg unit and it activated. They thought one with a damaged control medal wouldn't activate, i guess they forgot about guyver 2. I think wg vamore was also made by mistake.

[Sully]

Natasha became a guyver by mistake, she was inspecting the damaged wg unit and it activated. They thought one with a damaged control medal wouldn't activate, i guess they forgot about guyver 2. I think wg vamore was also made by mistake.

You forget she was also inside a Chronos exo armour (simular to a Blue Amour from ACTF only more compact). The wG unit didn't seem to mind though and activated and ripped the armour of of it's way. Natasha wasn't the intended host.

Vamore was intended. As her what happened he was selected by Iamakrum. But is he ALWAYS going to be the current host of the unit? Think about it, one clue "SG".

[Juggernought]

shadow guyver??

[Zoaknight]

awww...I like Warrior Guyver Vamore ...wonders who SG might be

[McAvoy]

So far only Shadow Guyver and Warrior Guyver Vamore was done on purpose. The other Guyvers have not. Chronos got lucky with Guyver Powered Zerebubuse. Though I do suspect that with newer zoaforms Chronos programmed certain loyalty traits into them.

[McAvoy]

With the new story out and the introduction to the new super powerhouse Black Guyver Darzerb, I thought this should be bumped up.

So...what do you guys think of his power?

[guyverfanatic]

His strength is probably around 5,000 men or so... Just a rough guess.

[Juggernought]

Yea i agree he's definitely up there...the force of his punches and the way he tossed around W'kar are testament that with any other being with less durability and less regenerative powers than W'kar would be pommeled to a pulp. Plus the flame breath, now that weapon must be several times more potent than a guyver's mega smasher to even melt W'kar's armor.

[McAvoy]

Here's the old datafile for the Black Guyver unit:

[/b]Speed and Durability

Speed: Substandard, Maximum speed on land rated at 200 MPH, Maximum in air at 300 MPH. Unit is used most often with Stealth Upgrades to repair this defect.

Strength and Durability: The Durability of the Black Armor is 2X that of a normal Unit-G, and can use it's enhanced Gravity Shield to block even a standard guyvers mega smasher. Strength is equal to a Gigantic Guyver, and unit heals at twice the pace of a normal guyver.

Hypersenses: Equal to a Gigantic, but lower in range resulting in only a 750 foot radius.

Weapons System:

Head Laser: Equal in perfomance to a gigantic, but unit has three on their head.

Vibrational Swords: Equal in perfomance to a gigantic, but are dual elbow mounted.

Pressure Cannon: Equal in perfomance to a standard, with the added ability to use the pressure cannon at enhanced rates.

Sonic Emitters: Equal in perfomance to a gigantic.

Mega Smasher: Powerful beam discharge that has been the primary weapon of all guyvers. This weapon creates a massive build-up of energy inside of specialized cells located underneath the guyvers chest plates. This energy is then released through the cells and their lenses, creating a large, powerful beam of destruction only surpassed by a megaton nuclear explosion, although the weapon has similar effects to a nuclear weapon on a limited area to an effect of 2X stronger than normal guyvers.

Other Advances

Control Medal: A Compressed Model. This model of Control Medal is only slightly larger than an average guyver Control Medal and has three times the energy storage within it. In all other ways it is equal in operation to a Standard Control Medal.

Gravity Orb: Control Device located on the abdomen of the guyver. This device helps the guyver control the gravity around him, giving him the option to fly, create a pressure cannon, burrow underneath the ground, or create a gravity based shield that can save the guyver from most attacks short of a Mega Smasher. [/b]

I believe the new strength figure for Darzerb is 60 men combined with this unit, based off the ratio that Guyver Powered Zerebubuse has: I'd estimate him to be about between 48x to 60x. May be as high as 80x.