Guyver Derzerb

[jedi-guyver]

Since Black guyver unit is from another universe, would Derzerb get the full power increase, instead of the limit increase from a Gen derived unit g?

[Destroyer Guyver]

Yes BGD gets a full bio-boost from his unit, its the reason the over muscled sod is so dangerous.

[Sully]

Yes BGD gets a full bio-boost from his unit, its the reason the over muscled sod is so dangerous.

Yup, this guy is simple raw power. No messing no fussing raw power. Basically think of him as the Hulk of the Guyver stories only, this one has complete control over himself and won't be shouting "Guyver Darzerb smash!".

As said before in simple power terms this being is the most powerful creature alive in the fan-fiction at this moment in time. But that's not to say he is the best or unbeatable. Just don't be on the receiving end of one of his punches!

[Weltall2]

WG-N + WG COntrol SPhere + Damaged Matrix + Crystalite infection = Rival female like Dreadnought (don't read too much into that, she's go a name for the new mode but not saying it here and or how different she is to Dreadnought).

Okay wait a minute. I thought Natasha wasn't going to be a Uber powerful character? I though she doesn't have a Gigantic armor? Are we headed down DBZish territory?

I though this was the one thing not allowed? I hope I am reading too much into this and these elements are not in play.

[Sully]

WG-N + WG COntrol SPhere + Damaged Matrix + Crystalite infection = Rival female like Dreadnought (don't read too much into that, she's go a name for the new mode but not saying it here and or how different she is to Dreadnought).

Okay wait a minute. I thought Natasha wasn't going to be a Uber powerful character? I though she doesn't have a Gigantic armor? Are we headed down DBZish territory?

Who said Gigantic armour? I said Control sphere. I wouldn't call Elminator a Gigantic and he has a control sphere in his shoulders.

I though this was the one thing not allowed? I hope I am reading too much into this and these elements are not in play.

Umm what isn't allowed? At the very most she'd equal Dreadnought (hense a Gigantic Exceed in power level) which would put them both in equal terms to what Takaya himself has done.

But I get your point. There is a very tight control on power levels, more so in my story. The only exception is Black Darzerb who out side the Guyver Zoalord breaks the mold. But he's a very rare exception, more so because most Unit's in the fan-fiction are Gen made and with them come a restriction. Think about it though, I tend to plan things out. There is a reason there is a powerful character in the story. You've only seen the start of it in 7 days.

The story on the Unit the Grakken captured is not finished yet. But again think about it, if this Unit goes into a Gen made (though Grakken captured) Unit reproduction system, what do you think will happen?

The 3rd Black Unit is in ACTF hands. The question is will anyone figure out that this Unit has the potential to make another VERY powerful Zoa-form Guyver?That's one of the danagers in the story. Every story needs them, but that's not to say the character or Unit will have a long life span to even become this danger.

[Weltall2]

Well it was alarming as it is a very slippery slope. I only brought it up because you were adamant for so long about your stance on this site becoming a DBZ dead zone (hmm I like that term.) DBDZ= Dragon Ball Dead Zone.

[Zoaknight]

The characters all possess incredible powers and abilities, BUT, they all have limits and weaknesses as well. The Guyver Zoalord was the most powerful living creature in existence, and yet he was still defeated by the combined efforts of an army of guyvers and Zoalords, and thanks to his lack of knowledge concerning the advanced combat systems of the Warrior Guyver.

W'kar is vulnerable to extreme heat and cold, Dreadnought's control while highly advanced can still be destroyed if an enemy can get at it.

Basically, I don't consider Guyver to be anything like DBZ cuz there are many powerful beings fighting for control/defense of the earth, whereas in most DBZ sagas Goku ends up having to save the day after all the other heroes get creamed XD. Don't get me wrong, I like DBZ, but I'm also aware of its flaws and I don't think Warrior Guyver suffers from any of those weaknesses.

Chronos and the anti-Chronos forces ALL possess their power house characters and lower ranking characters and certain conditions have been put in place that prevents just anyone from suddenly becoming all powerful, BUT, the danger remains inorder to keep things from getting dull. I'm glad Chronos acquired some new Guyvers recently so as to balance things out since the anti-Chronos forces each have at least ONE Dreadnought level powered character, or something akin or close to it. Plus, the new and improved Lord Alkanphel has yet to be revealed...

I think WG does a good job of making sure things don't get to the point at which only one character can ever get anything done or the good guys win too easily or the bad guys lose too easily etc, we see Chronos win some and lose some, and we see Jason and company win some and lose some.

[Weltall2]

The characters all possess incredible powers and abilities, BUT, they all have limits and weaknesses as well. The Guyver Zoalord was the most powerful living creature in existence, and yet he was still defeated by the combined efforts of an army of guyvers and Zoalords, and thanks to his lack of knowledge concerning the advanced combat systems of the Warrior Guyver.

W'kar is vulnerable to extreme heat and cold, Dreadnought's control while highly advanced can still be destroyed if an enemy can get at it.

Basically, I don't consider Guyver to be anything like DBZ cuz there are many powerful beings fighting for control/defense of the earth, whereas in most DBZ sagas Goku ends up having to save the day after all the other heroes get creamed XD. Don't get me wrong, I like DBZ, but I'm also aware of its flaws and I don't think Warrior Guyver suffers from any of those weaknesses.

Chronos and the anti-Chronos forces ALL possess their power house characters and lower ranking characters and certain conditions have been put in place that prevents just anyone from suddenly becoming all powerful, BUT, the danger remains inorder to keep things from getting dull. I'm glad Chronos acquired some new Guyvers recently so as to balance things out since the anti-Chronos forces each have at least ONE Dreadnought level powered character, or something akin or close to it. Plus, the new and improved Lord Alkanphel has yet to be revealed...

I think WG does a good job of making sure things don't get to the point at which only one character can ever get anything done or the good guys win too easily or the bad guys lose too easily etc, we see Chronos win some and lose some, and we see Jason and company win some and lose some.

The only potential problem is when the power balance is too lopsided. And BTW I wasn't refering strictly to power. I was refering to the number of characters with power on both sides. The problem with allowing chronos to have esentially another character who COULD have Dreadnought levels of power, goes as follows Chronos has strong characters like BIO-TITANS, and Hyper Zoanoids, and other crazy strong soldiers of varying types. there are far more of them than guyvers. They have 3 warrior guyvers1 of which maybe has close to dreadnough Power the others are Zoanoids, and I can count at least 8 other Chronos Characters who are at this level or beyond. Couple this with The Bio-Titans ability to multiply their power in proximity to other Bio-Titans, and you can see how this is fast becoming and issue.

I am not lookin at them individually, I am looking broadly at the gameboard and the gameboard has become far too stacked for my liking. I see before me some critical plot point failures, and it raises concerns for me as a result. I felt like I should get clarification. I really hope Brian planned for this. I know You said you did, and I will set aside my reservations for now. I am sorry for the long post I just felt I should go indepth into my thoughs on this.

[Sully]

Thing is Weltall2 in a story you don't balance things out in the favour of or make things even with the "good" and "bad" sides. Even more so if you do not want the story to end sooner rather than later.

There are other factors at play for you to figure out. It's not for me to spoil the story because you're worried about power levels (of indvidual characters or size of one sides army).

[McAvoy]

I understand Weltall2's concern. It is one of the big problems when introducing a new more powerful enemy or character in anything. Superman is an example. He's practically all powerful, almost a Mary Sue in some ways. You have a normal human giving him stuff to do like save two people on opposite sides of the city at the same time or they die etc. Or have someone equally as powerful as Superman himself.

Personally, I think it may have been better to have kept Dreadnought at the originaly 20x level you had. You could still have the current characters but him being slightly weaker than his enemies would have allowed him to use some of his more special abilities more as opposed to using brute force.

Also, considering how powerful the Gigantic is now compared to the original guesttimate, nearly evens it out. I mean until Kron and Zeus comes around, the Gigantic is the most powerful being in the world only rivaled by Alkanphel himself.

In DBZ, you have the Saiyan-jins as the most powerful of the good guys with Piccolo as a semi-distant second. Then the humans are way way way back in the third. Since the power in that series is based on a very, very steep bell curve, no one less powerful could hope to defeat a more powerful being except of course Goku. IN WG.com especially with the Gigantic, it may even be possible for a Gigantic Guyver going Exceed to take on Dreadnought on near even terms. A Warrior Guyver can be defeated by a Zoalord but still could win through their own merits. A standard Guyver could still win against a Bio Titan despite being half as powerful.

But I think if you are worried about rising power levels and getting to the extremes of GWotG I think you do not have to be worried. Sully has written the Limiter into the story. It seems that most non-zoaform Guyvers have a max. of 25x anyway.