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[Guyver_Astray]

For some odd reason I picture WG Natasha having a purple color scheme. Her being more defensive I can see, seeing as how WG is an all out power house.

[*zeo]

Okay, here's the DF's for the Gigantic...

Chronicles Version, minus a graph feature and the Exceed as we're still not sure whether to use that feature.

Official Version

[largo]

So you will be adding the exceed to the fan-fic but not the chronicles version.

[*zeo]

No that's the official version, as in Manga information official. Notice the lack of certain specific information like Strength? Manga never specified that!

I might add a DF for the original fic later but it won't be much different from the original estimates, as we can't change the specs without changing the story too and we can only do that for Chronicles.

[Guyver_Astray]

With the gigantic exceed, i thought of something. In the last chapter of Seven Days of Hell, there was a fleet of ships that appeared, right? guess you could call this a what if, but what might happen if the Dreadnaught upgrade were to take on a similar form to wipe out the whole lot of ships, but with a devistating result. Like cutting his power down severaly, almost to standard WG level, and takes time to recharge. :

[guyverfanatic]

With the gigantic exceed, i thought of something. In the last chapter of Seven Days of Hell, there was a fleet of ships that appeared, right? guess you could call this a what if, but what might happen if the Dreadnaught upgrade were to take on a similar form to wipe out the whole lot of ships, but with a devistating result. Like cutting his power down severaly, almost to standard WG level, and takes time to recharge. :

For Dreadnought to use Exceed would be a fanfic ender. He'd wipe out anyone.

[Guyver_Astray]

Good point.

[WarriorZoalord]

and with that many ships, to pull off a stunt like that in one blast, as if i remember, there were hundreds, if not thousands of ships showing up, would probably kill the unit, or damage it so badly that even a low powered zoanoid could kick his ass.

[*zeo]

There's about a Million or so ships total Dreadnought was facing... But an Exceed gets proportionally more powerful. Also Dreadnought is about 30% taller than a normal Gigantic to begin with, so while a Gigantic Exceed is 52 meters tall, a Dreadnought Exceed would probably be closer to 68 Meters Tall.

Exceed could stop a Mega Smasher like beam with just its palm and could withstand multiple hits from Bio-Missiles capable of leveling entire city blocks without its shield, so Dreadnought Exceed would be pretty much unstoppable.

[largo]

Hazza dreadnought could save the earth from the grakkens.

[WarriorZoalord]

while Exceed Dread might be huge and powerful, we still have yet to see what kinda weaponry those grakkenships have, because if i remember right, they really never used much external attacks. though i doubt even exceed Dread could stop a blast like the one the creators used on the GWotG world.

[McAvoy]

Let's remember that proportionally Exceed was not merely a 20x increase in height but overall a 80,000x increase, but not in weight. So even if we assume that it was a proportionally increase in overall power, it would be mean the normal 10 megaton blast from a Gigantic Giga Smasher would be a 800 gigaton blast. Give or take of course.

Dreadnought Exceed being much more powerful would be easily in the range of a Warrior Guyver Zolaord range of powers or better.

It was been stated already that certain ability will not be used in the fanfic.

On a side note: zeo, the new datafile states the Gigantic can now fire 10 megaton nuclear blasts vfrom the Giga Smasher. Did you revise your original estimate basing it off of a 10 kiloton range for a standard Guyver? What caused this?

[*zeo]

Re-estimate started when it was stated in the Manga that two Giga Smashers clashing over the city would produce enough collateral plasma discharge to destroy the city... Remember just countering Neo-Zektole's 1 million degree heat beam caused enough plasma discharge to send Purg'stall into the hospital and he was still miles away from the battle. So even with most of the beam energy countering each other, enough energy has to bleed out to still be able to destroy the city and that's a lot of power.

The 10,000 kiloton estimate was a conservative estimate for the standard smashers, but with the above consideration for plasma discharge I also had to take into account having enough power to damage a Relic right through its shield even after it had been refracted around Archanfel and traveled a number of miles before striking.

I also took more into account how much energy it would take to disrupt even a virtual black hole. Not to mention the constant referals to the fact the Gigantic was created to take on Archanfel and we know Archanfel is powerful enough to destroy a small planet. At least he was when he was at his peak and considering he is still the most powerful Zoalord then that level of power also has to be taken into account to consider how the Gigantic could ever defeat such a being.

So I went to the other end of the conservative estimate for equating the Mega Smashers to an Atomic Bomb like blast (range is 10 to 50), which is what I believe Takaya was basing the power level on, along with the Godzilla inspiration he officially admitted to.

So the estimate for the Guyver Mega Smashers are now 50 kilotons per smasher for the normal Smashers and since the Giga Smashers are 100x, they become 5 Megatons each... For a total of 10 Megatons maximum firepower. So even if a fraction of that power is deflected then it becomes enough to destroy a city.

Additionally this brings the Exceed Smashers closer to the energy level required to also destroy a small planet, though believe it or not it still falls short of Archanfel's. Though it does help explain how the Exceed could create a mini-black hole attack... The amount of energy required is truly enormous.

Just remember everyone, those are just my estimates and are just to be applied to the Chronicles version of the fan fic. If it's not in the official data file then it isn't official!

[McAvoy]

Well, let's keep in mind for those who are thinking of these estimates as explosions like an atomic bomb which clearly isn't the case. I mean every time a Guyver would fire their mega smashers they would be firing a blast five times more powerful than the bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Which of course, we haven't seen such a case. So it's the power level of the beams themselves.

BTW, I assume the 10,000 kiloton estimate is for the Giag Smashers not the standard mega smashers.

[*zeo]

Yes, 10,000 kilotons (10 Megatons) is for the combined full double Giga Smashers.

Standard Smashers are now estimated at 50 kilotons per smasher cell, while the Gigantic (at 100x) is 5 megatons per smasher cell.

For the laymen, the reason for the insane energy levels is because the beam has to be powerful enough to vaporize stuff very quickly as the beam doesn't last more than a second when fired. Like in the anime when the outside of the building is shown getting blown away as the beam shot into the sky had a duration of less than a second. And it takes a heck of a lot of energy to vaporize everything in a beam's path like the smasher are shown consistently doing.

Lower energy levels would just blow stuff up and scatter them but you need atomic energy density to instantly vaporize stuff, add the wide radius of the smasher beams and the energy levels quickly ramp up.

Besides Takaya admitted Godzilla was his inspiration for the Mega Smashers and Godzilla's fire breath is atomic

[Juggernought]

Does anyone know of a datafile for Fighter Guyver II that is in the works? I normally consider him to be on par with Greg's Warlord form but since that particular unit is now more guyverlike in function now, i'd like to get the details on it.

[WarriorZoalord]

probably somehting better to ask on the GwotG board, since FGII didnt do much fighting in the WG Universe, though i believe from what i remember, the Warrior Kavzar were roughly on his level of power.

[McAvoy]

...Half of his level of power. He was around 20x with the BED max. of 40x. He was more powerful on average than W'Kar at that time before Kregen made him an adult.

And yes, during the time I was the one writing the datafiles for GWotG, I did write a datafile on him. Actually, an updated one.

[exscaped_pyscho]

I've thought of a data file I'd love to read; a Relic Data File. I've always been curious as to the Creator's ships capabilities. I know alot of the information would be speculation but I think it would still be an interesting read. I've had alot of questions as to a Relic's basic capabilities. I'd also love to read what a War Relic and/or Clan Ship would be capable of.

Example: How fast can the vessels travel (100X the speed of light, 1000X the speed of light)? Do they use hyper space tunneling technoligy or worm hole generation? What would their offensive and deffensive capabilities be? Would a standard Relic need to stop and recharge their energy (say by absorbing radiation or thermal energy from a star)? How much damage could a vessel handle before it would be considered unrepairable? Could a single relic generate smaller exploration or atmospheric incertian vessels? What type of weapons would a relic possess? Do the Relic's utilize Artifical Gravity, or intertial damper technoligy (or would the unit g's be required to withstand the g forces)?

Like I said, I know this information hasn't been revealed in the mainstream Guyver stories, but I would love to see what Zeo or Xt's idea's on this subject matter. Particularly the WG original vessels capabilities (War Relic, Scout Ship, Clan Ship, etch.)

[McAvoy]

That is a good idea, I think. But really, such a datafile would be good in the Creator side of the datafiles since they would know much more about their spacecraft than anyone else on Earth. The only exception would be the War Relic, which they probably know as much as the Warrior Guyver itself.

[McAvoy]

Actually I just thought about this.

Since we have the Chronicles version of the Gigantic Guyver, how about the Normal Guyvers? This shouldn't be too much of a problem since we know far more than we used to.