Gigantic Guardian

[*zeo]

The Aceaer Unit is the first step in developing a Kavzar, the addition of a Control Crystal is what transforms it into a basic Kavzar and perminently bonds it to its host. So the Aceaer contains the building blocks needed to create a Kavzar, with the control crystal being the missing piece needed to fully activate the technology.

A Guyver CM would thus make it into a hybrid of Kavzar and Guyver technology, similar to Proto Guyver but without the contol crystal it would be more like a regular Guyver, since that is the technology the normal Control Medal is designed for. But the Aceaer technology would be incorporated into it as that is part of the function of the CM to combine the characteristics of host and unit and the Aceaer organism would thus bring its own characteristics into the mix, just like the Gigantic brought some of the Relic characteristics (back thrusters and 12 power amps to name the obvious two) to the Guyver.

The combination however would not be as effective as a standard Guyver using an Aceaer Unit would be, just more compact like how the Aceaer appears on a Warrior Unit, since the CM would make the two one and the same.

[WarriorZoalord]

so what? it would be about 150 men instead of the 200 a normal one would be? but it would still have the unlimited stamina of the HSL and a WG like bodyshield so it would still be better than a normal guyver.

[McAvoy]

It would also lose a very useful ability WarriorZoalord: The ability to be used almost freely on any unit. Once that Aceaer becomes the Guyver/Hyrbid it loses that ability and stays as the hybrid.

[Sully]

Simple answer is "unknown" at this time. But in terms of control medal shape they would fit. But in terms of Tech the question is how different is the control medal from the basic Warrior Guyver prototype which (aka Fiona's unit) and would Jason let her use the Dreadnought armour.

[McAvoy]

I forgot this. For the most part Faye is hanging out with Jason's 'crew' so chances are if Guardian is that amount of trouble that she needs the Warrior Gigantic than so does Fiona and or Dreadnought may need to make an appearence to take care of the situation.

I also forgot to add that Guardian has the enhanced CPM, so the Warrior Gigantic may make it like Zeus's unit, so a Gigantic Guardian may be 25x with a BED max. of 50x.

[*zeo]

: If Jason let Faye use the Warrior Gigantic, one obvious good reason would be so she can protect Fiona (Since Faye is the better Warrior), and assuming the unit is compatable with her Praetorian Unit then she would be 15x with the ability to push herself to 20x and Bio-Doubler herself to 40x but due to extreme power that the BD would flood her system with that she could only maintain it for less than half the normal time limit.

Praetorian Units are powerful but their level of technology is not equal to a Matrix bonded Warrior Unit. HSL systems are also always limited by the host, since the HSL uses the host to regulate the Bio-Boost energy and nothing can push this technology further than the Matrix.

It should also be noted Guardian is actually 6x, her CPM is integrated into her HSL system to super charge it from 6x to 10x. Giving her a full 4x boost versus the limited 4x boost a WG2 unit is normally limited to. But this also means her unit is already pushing the limits of the host and thus she would not get as much of a boost from the Warrior Gigantic as it gave F-WG. Even though she would be more powerful, just not proportionally more powerful.

[McAvoy]

Well it would have been used tactically. If it just came down to Guardian is the better warrior, then Guardian would have gotten it instead of Female Warrior Guyver during the battle against the Eliminator. In that battle, you can see what it would be like if they were fighting Dreadnought.

Guardian is no Matrix Warrior Guyver, but it is the next best thing.

[McAvoy]

*bump*

Just realized something about the Aceaer Guyver unit discussion part. If the Creators created such a unit, would it be possible for that unit be bonded to a Aceaer unit as well? Like a Aceaer-Aceaer Guyver? Me personally, I don't think so just because it would be like having two Aceaers on top of one another. If it was possible, I think the Creators wouldn't be worried about anything. Think about it: Aceaerx200. An Aceaer with the power of a Guyver Zoalord.

Though I do think it would be possible for said unit to be merged with a Gigantic unit though. So a 150 men unit would be 300 men with some powerful abilities, some of them exceeding a Warrior Guyver.

[WarriorZero]

I'd think the double aceaer would be possible but totally redundant seeing as I think it wouldn't be enhancing any of it features, ie. it has all the same weaponry and abilities. Now a gigantic would be interesting but wouldn't that be the giant unit warrior guyverC is using now as Ultimus??

it would have some nice extra abilities like the power punch and vibrational hands

[WarriorZoalord]

I'd think the double aceaer would be possible but totally redundant seeing as I think it wouldn't be enhancing any of it features, ie. it has all the same weaponry and abilities. Now a gigantic would be interesting but wouldn't that be the giant unit warrior guyverC is using now as Ultimus??

it would have some nice extra abilities like the power punch and vibrational hands

Ultimus isnt a gigantic upgrade, it's just a fancy Aceaer designed to work well with Warrior units. He could still use a warrior gigantic style unit if he found one, but it might not be more effective for thim than the Giant unit.

[Juggernought]

I wonder why Jason hasn't removed that self destruct command from the Giant Unit?...hmmm

[sonarelite]

Maybe Jason has not deactivated the self destruct in the giant unit is because he knows that if he turns on his allies or if his allies turn against hime he knows that Ultimus is one of the people capable of having a fighting chance against Jason.

Maybe if this happens Jason can send the self destruct command to the giant unit killing the unit and damaging WGC' unit.

[WarriorZoalord]

or it could be as simple as its unable to be turned off. its not really a command, its a weakness, i think it was revealed in the XT9 fics, The extinction device, its capable of killing any test unit, including warrior units.

[Juggernought]

It was mainly for the test units. All the creators wanted was to gather information to see if their units can hold up against true warrior units or to work well with them. The destruct command was put in place incase they decide to fight against the creators or the creators no longer see any use for them and dont want a bunch of powerful units running around.

My guess is that Jason probably didn't have the time to do this. The only time he mentioned knowing about it was when he was fighting Warrior Guyver 5. Since then he has been mostly preoccupied either fighting off Chronos attacks on the clan ship, or the Eliminator and finally the all out Grakken assault. Max would probably be the only unit he would attempt to remove the command from since he does have 2 matrix to do this with.

[McAvoy]

In regards to the Aceaer Guyver unit thing. A Gigantic may or may not be around 3x. Though a good question is whether or not the Gigantic could merge with a Aceaer Guyver unit. But that would be the same argument as a prototype Warrior Guyver unit like Battle Guyver.

Dreadnought is much more powerful than Ultimus. Hell, even Zeuus or Valkryie is more powerful than Ultimus. Using a Warrior Gigantic, the True Ultimus would be much more powerful than the Giant unit enhanced version.

Also, Dreadnought has only met WGC in his Ultimus form only once officially, though it could be argued that they have been between the stories of course. So, chances are that it didn't give him enough time or it didn't occur to Jason.

On the other hand, it could be possible that the self destruct device is only for control medals and since the Giant unit only has a control medal ring didn't warrant such a device.