Latest Guyver story (Spoilers ahead)

[guyverfanatic]

Guyot's new form!!!

[Juggernought]

he's a spider now??

[McAvoy]

I guess so, but how and why

[Juggernought]

Me personally, until proved wrong otherwise: i think Apollon is probably Imakarum...because - he could be collecting the zoacrystals to return them to Alkanphel in order to heal him, either by merging them back with the ancient zoalord or draining their powers to heal the damage done to him. The use of the name probably could be back from the time Murakami was hanging out with Agito and Sho and heard Agito refer to himself as Zeus in his guyver form. So it could be a twist of irony that he now uses the name as a way of chiding him.

Although after reading the following theory that it may be Alkanphel himself empowered probably by the navigation spheres could be supported by the fight between Apollon and Carleon and what Carleon said before being eliminated:

*SPOILER*

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/guyver/v26/c167/8.html

[Sully]

The lead up to this story has being great.

Due to the chances of us EVER getting a proper translation from offical sorces. My advice to those of you who want to know what happening is go to the Japan Ledgends forum and have a look from there for details. The work those guys have done is great.

[guyverfanatic]

The lead up to this story has being great.

Due to the chances of us EVER getting a proper translation from offical sorces. My advice to those of you who want to know what happening is go to the Japan Ledgends forum and have a look from there for details. The work those guys have done is great.

I second that!

Now it's too bad Chuang Yi Publishing in Singapore had licensing issues with The Guyver so they could only go up to volume 10. Now if only another company would pick it up here in the USA...

[Sully]

Yup it's a shame. in the mean time all I can say is that the latest Takaya work is what got me back into Guyver. I really do like the latest arc but do feel Guyver II F has being in a lot of battles and is going through a baptism of fire in a big way.

One thing to consider though with the return of Guyot, is that not only is he this powerful Spider battle tank thing. But that he has access to the remover most likely. But that the Guyver II F isn't a finished Creator made unit. So chances are will ignore the removal command meaning she has a very good chance of killing Guyot, remover or not.

Such a thing though would mean she's also got 2 fates. She wins and no one ever kills her. Or her unit fails/defeated and she gets eaten alive by the Unit.

[Sully]

On an updated note. Looks like Guyot's retrun has being given new art in the book 27 with added pages over what was published in the monthly chapters.... Will be a month before I've got it though at a guess but am really looking forward to it.

[guyverfanatic]

On an updated note. Looks like Guyot's retrun has being given new art in the book 27 with added pages over what was published in the monthly chapters.... Will be a month before I've got it though at a guess but am really looking forward to it.

Same here. I was able to get volume 26 relatively early, but this time it'll be a month before I get volume 27.

[Zoaknight]

I FINALLY caught up to the part where Guyot returns as somesort of freaky Zoaspider type creature, and man oh man am I psyched! It sucks than Purgenstal's death has more or less been confirmed though since its not likely Barcus would have removed his zoacrystal if he'd still been alive...Oh, and Edward got PWNED by Apollyon, who apparently is either a Uranus come to finish off his creations or Arcanfel in disguise (evidence for that being that Edward called him "my lord" before his Zoacrystal was torn out).

Chronos SERIOUSLY needs to create some new Zoalords soon to replace the four they've lost (assuming Edward really is dead and can't be revived/restored), and when they do make them they had better design them with Anti-Guyver Gigantic combat in mind since so far most of the Zoalords save Arcanfel, Imakuram, and Khan seem woefully unequipped for the job

Also, I wonder why they call her Guyver II F instead of just Guyver 4? I mean, calling her female guyver 2 really only makes sense if she's an imperfect clone of Lisker or her unit was cloned from the biomaterial of the original Guyver unit 2 before it was destroyed. She's an awesome character so far, but her name and reasons for leaving Chronos seem pretty unclear.

I also wonder how on earth Chronos is gonna compete with Sho now that he has the power to turn into a literal GIANT!

I mean I doubt all the Zoalords can go jumbo sized like Khan so they're gonna have to come up with some way to beef up the power of the Zoalords to keep them as viable threats (main antagonists afterall, can't have the hero win too easily).

P.S. I've been reading Fox Manga translations of Guyver and its proven to be a good translation so far but it seems to be missing certain chpts, like the beginning of Edward's fight with Apollyon & how Guyver II F came to be...Anyone have a link to a better site?

[largo]

Uhh Japan-legend?

[Sully]

This is where reading the full thread is handy Zoaknight The Japan Ledgend site translates and publishes them as they come along. Manga-fox by the looks of things is using the work from those guys (looks like it anyway, I could be wrong).

[Zoaknight]

Thanks Largo & Sully

Anywho...What could Apollyon want with those crystals? Just to ruin Arcanfel's plans for revenge? Assuming he's really a Uranus of course "wonders if this means no new Zoalords shall be joining Chronos to replace the fallen..."

[Sully]

Thanks Largo & Sully

Anywho...What could Apollyon want with those crystals? Just to ruin Arcanfel's plans for revenge? Assuming he's really a Uranus of course "wonders if this means no new Zoalords shall be joining Chronos to replace the fallen..."

Read on, my guess is it's Iamakrum using the Zoa-Crystals to recharge Alkanphel. Judging from Alknaphels and Valkus meeting up and Valkus commenting on something on the lines of "Aplkanphel, you're awake! where did you get this power". I think we've our answer. I think since Imakarum got revived by Alkanphel using the complete bio-energy reserve from the Ark. He's a little bit more like Alkanphel now who he shares a mind link with.

(Note please leave the fan-fiction out of this topic, if you want to wonder how this effects that, bring it to the fan-fic section).

[Zoaknight]

Zoaknight wrote:

Thanks Largo & Sully

Anywho...What could Apollyon want with those crystals? Just to ruin Arcanfel's plans for revenge? Assuming he's really a Uranus of course "wonders if this means no new Zoalords shall be joining Chronos to replace the fallen..."

Read on, my guess is it's Iamakrum using the Zoa-Crystals to recharge Alkanphel. Judging from Alknaphels and Valkus meeting up and Valkus commenting on something on the lines of "Aplkanphel, you're awake! where did you get this power". I think we've our answer. I think since Imakarum got revived by Alkanphel using the complete bio-energy reserve from the Ark. He's a little bit more like Alkanphel now who he shares a mind link with.

(Note please leave the fan-fiction out of this topic, if you want to wonder how this effects that, bring it to the fan-fic section).

Understood Sully, but I don't recall mentioning anything about the fanfic in this thread (i was referring to whether or not the remaining Zoalords in the manga would be able to replenish their numbers with now four Zoacrystals in Apollyon's hands). However, if you're theory about Imakuram doing all of this to strengthen Arcanfel is true then perhaps it won't matter since the Boss Man himself may be making a comeback, or perhaps plans to select new, trustworthy candidates for the zoacrystals (Imakuram's link to Arcanfel is apparently absolute so Arcanfel can trust his judgement better than he could Barcus's since it is his own judgement...regardless, Edward only had to die because Arcanfel wanted everything to be done in secret perhaps?)

[Sully]

For me this is what makes the story exciting, even after 27 books and 25 years of story he can give you enough hints so you know where the story might go but has it setup so it could go any different way with Apollyon, who is he and whats his plan will shape the next books in the story. Guyot's return too could also be major bad news, as Alkanphel never really looked for the remover, just commented that it was gone. So if he has the remember Guyver 2 F could be in deep trouble depending on how well Chronos where able to make her control medal. The fact it's an "incomplete prototype" means chances are it can't be removed.

[Juggernought]

Or its days are numbered...

[Zoaknight]

Most definitely, story could go anywhere from here with all thats going on

the whole Guyver 2 F storyline alone could go in so many different directions, both because of the nature of her unit and because the bed ridden Barcus claimed she was a greater threat than Agito Makashima! A statement which shocks and intrigues me to no end...What could she know about Chronos that would make her the second most dangerous Guyver on earth?

Also, like you said, I'm interested to see what Guyot's got up his sleeves now that he's "The Spider Lord" and if the remover will work on Guyver II F. If her Chronos made control medal can't be affected by the unit remover than it gives her an advantage that would likely shock even the clearly unhinged Guyot, though that advantage could turn into a disadvantage if it turns out in the end her control medal really is defective afterall. We already know her guyver unit has at least one defect, namely how it doesn't reconstitute her clothes after she deactivates her unit, but there could be other problems as well if Barcus was too afraid to activate the unit before now (can't have Arcanfel bonding with a defective unit afterall or otherwise he would have given it to his Master already).

P.S. I laughed my ass off when Sho forced the Gigantic off of Agito and the big creep found out he lacked the willpower to call it back, the look on his arrogant face was priceless..."I lost...TO THAT FUKAMACHI?!"

[Rivyn]

For me this is what makes the story exciting, even after 27 books and 25 years of story he can give you enough hints so you know where the story might go but has it setup so it could go any different way with Apollyon, who is he and whats his plan will shape the next books in the story.

I completely agree, thats probably why I consider guyver to be one of the best Manga's I've ever read. Its so rich with so many possibilities that keep you guessing. Its a fanfiction writers dream.

I also think you're right about Apollon. I dont think he could possibly be a Creator Soldier, there's no way he could know about Guyot, Kurumegnik and Jaervil, unless the a contingent of Creators never left Earth and have maintained a secret presence keeping aprise of everything. But that doesnt seem likely as they assumed all life on the earth would be destroyed when the chunk of asteroid smashed into the earth. So to me that only leaves the assumption that Apollyon is Imakuram or a previously unknown servant of Alkanphel's.

Edited June 24, 2010 by Guest

[guyverfanatic]

I completely agree, thats probably why I consider guyver to be one of the best Manga's I've ever read. Its so rich with so many possibilities that keep you guessing. Its a fanfiction writers dream.

I also think you're right about Apollon. I dont think he could possibly be a Creator Soldier, there's no way he could know about Guyot, Kurumegnik and Jaervil, unless the a contingent of Creators never left Earth and have maintained a secret presence keeping aprise of everything. But that doesnt seem likely as they assumed all life on the earth would be destroyed when the chunk of asteroid smashed into the earth. So to me that only leaves the assumption that Apollyon is Imakuram or a previously unknown servant of Alkanphel's.

I would say that Apollon is a creator soldier being that his armor is made of the same material that makes up the guyver control medal. Also Imakarum has been with Alkanphel the entire time. I can't wait for the return of the creators (possibly) because that would be awesome!

[Sully]

I would say that Apollon is a creator soldier being that his armor is made of the same material that makes up the guyver control medal. Also Imakarum has been with Alkanphel the entire time. I can't wait for the return of the creators (possibly) because that would be awesome!

I wouldn't aggree with the idea of "the entire time". Imakarum has being acting strange, EVERY time since his re-awakening he has said something criptic about what he needs to do for Alkanphel. Personally I think he's figured out a way to recharge Alkanphel from the fallen Zoalord's crystals. Simply put why would a Creator warrior be interested in them? Why would one offer one of the Zoalords mercy if he stood aside? Everything points to Imakarum.

The armour could easily be a battle armour left for Alkanphel by the Uranus that Imakarum is now using. He already demistrated he has abilites of Alkanphel as well has Guyot and with the power he received from the Ark it's unknown how powerful he has now become. He also had information someone would only know about if they where on Earth in the recent past.

I also feel if the Federation knew of Earth still being around, Active Guyvers AND Zoalords being around we'd not just get one soldier. We've another giant moon / planetoid about to fall to the Earth wiping us out before we'd blink. The Uranus all flew away fast has they could allowing and almost disabling Alkanphel so that Earth could be destroyed once. Unless otherwise said the same thing islikely happen again in this story.

[guyverfanatic]

Well, yes you do bring up some good points. We'll have to just and see how it turns out.

[Sully]

Hmmmph, as the Chinese site that normally publishes these is under spam attack (guyver.com.cn). I've bought the latest 少年エース８月号見ました。 . Soon has it arrives (which is hopefully by Friday) I'll scan it up. 35 Euro on shipping... But feck it I want my latest Guyver fix!

[guyverfanatic]

Hmmmph, as the Chinese site that normally publishes these is under spam attack (guyver.com.cn). I've bought the latest 少年エース８月号見ました。 . Soon has it arrives (which is hopefully by Friday) I'll scan it up. 35 Euro on shipping... But feck it I want my latest Guyver fix!

Thankfully I never had to pay shipping when I ordered Shonen Ace from Kinokuniya.

[Sully]

Thankfully I never had to pay shipping when I ordered Shonen Ace from Kinokuniya.

I don't see any shipping details or stores located in Ireland though!