mysteries of the cloaked man

[exscaped_pyscho]

Okay for a long time I thought the cloaked man was Guyot, but resently I've realized it doesn't quite fit. Guyot was a gravity based zoalord. And as far as I know never utilized a cyclone attack. Which the mystery man did in all things change 4. So has Guyot upgraded himself or is he not the cloaked man? Speculation anyone?

A newer theory I've been working on is he could be an ancient zoalord like Elera or even a Vampire Zoalord that never slept.

[McAvoy]

I think it's either Tonnin working for the Creators or some ancient zoalord working with the mysterious Guyvers that includes Primitive Guyver.

[*zeo]

Well you can safely cross Tonnin off that list, not exactly the covert type anyway

[McAvoy]

I was talking about before he became what he is now. But it was just a suggestion, working for the Creators.

Or it could be some sort of zoalord working for the mysterious Guyvers or even the Grakkens.

[exscaped_pyscho]

I've been leaning tords an Ancient Zoalord more an more. Do to the fact that the cloaked man has shown the ability to produce a Cyclone Blast. Other than Imakarum the only other zoalords capable of producing a cyclone blast are the zoalords made by the Creator's themselves. After all there are more choices now than ever before. When the Cloaked man first appeared the only choice that really fit was the zoalord Jason blasted off of Faye at the end of Time War. And although he still remains an option there are the Vampire Zoalords, and Elera's people(whom don't seem powerful enough) , plus all the other survivors of the Time War. At the point when the Cloaked Man first appeared it hadn't been comfirmed that any other Zoalords had survived and now we know that a whole bunch of them managed to survive. Other than the Cyclone attack, Guyot fit the bill quite nicely, now I doubt it big time. Another person that would have fit was that Millionaire guy who hired the Mercenary Guyvers, but since the use of the Cyclone Blast he definatly doesn't fit in that role anymore. One thing that has made me really scratch me head over this whole thing is the Bio Titian that got blasted by the Cloaked Man thought he looked familar. I think this is an important clue into the Cloaked Man's true identity.

Another theory....Could a Human Creator hybrid produce a cyclone blast? We know there were several of them at one point, although I would wager a months salary that it wasn't the one sent to observe Jason prior to Isis's mission. For awhile I thought that the previous hybrid was actually Fiona. (what better way to keep an eye on Jason than to marrie him?)

[Juggernought]

Another person that would have fit was that Millionaire guy who hired the Mercenary Guyvers

Also i believe that guy was in league with the Grakkens and even had access to one of their units.

[exscaped_pyscho]

That's what made me suspect him until the use of the Cyclone Attack. Now I'm not sure who it is. I can only imagine it to be an ancient Zoalord that's joined the Grakken.

Edit: Another thing that bothers me about it being an Ancient Zoalord. Why would the Bio Titan reconize a Ancient Zoalord? It has got to be someone in the big picture, someone that has the ability to fire a cyclone attack and would team up with the Grakkens. The only question is who? I'm at a conplete loss, at least for now anyways.

[exscaped_pyscho]

Sorry for the double post but this strand has been dead long enough, I didn't think it'd matter.

I just thought I'd post my current hypothesis on this subject matter. Imakarum! He would definately look familur to the Bio Titian and he can produce a Cyclone blast! It seems a long shot I know but he has been filled with hate for the Creator's. Perhaps enough so that he is able to work with the Grakken to seak out a means of defeating them. Either that or Guyot has found a way of enhancing his own abilities to a level superior to when he was a Zoalord. Those two are the only ones that really fit the concept of the Cloaked Man, in my opinion.

Any thoughts?

[WarriorZoalord]

I dont think its Imakuram unless all this is some chronos plot, Imakuram cant disobey alky unless hes managed ot get his hands on a guyver unit.

[McAvoy]

Perhaps but remember that he can cloak as well. Imakarum cannot do this.

I am leaning towards some sort of Kavzar enhanced Zoalord or even a Ancient Zoalord with cloaking abilities.

[WarriorZoalord]

Perhaps but remember that he can cloak as well. Imakarum cannot do this.

I am leaning towards some sort of Kavzar enhanced Zoalord or even a Ancient Zoalord with cloaking abilities.

If its a Kavzar zoalord, its deffinately not a chronos one, I think they woulda learned from tonnin >>

[McAvoy]

Maybe a prototype before Tonnin.

But considering this predates Tonnin by a month or two, I would think not. But it would make sense that he might be working for the Creators though. Think about it, he is taking the control medal fragments of Guyver Zerebubuse, a test unit. He takes the legs of the Psi Guyver, a zoanoid/pre-Warrior Guyver Battle unit which is also a test unit.

Maybe we'll see a Guyver Zoanoid Battle unit soon.

[exscaped_pyscho]

But he was working with the Grakken, to aquire Elera's uncle's body. I can't see any servant of the Creator's working with the Grakken to any end. I'm not sure if any of us are even getting close to guessing the right anwser. another possibility is that it's more than one 'cloaked man' say perhaps, three.....maybe something along the lines of oh I don't know Primitive Guyver, Stealth Guyver (my name for the red looking guyver that can cloak), and Life Force Guyver (If indeed LFG is the third guyver from the trio) working together. We know that Primitive guyver is manipulating things from the back to achieve his own means. I don't think it'd be to much of a stretch to see him (and his buddies) teaming up with the Grakken every now and then. There is also the possibility this 'cloaked man' is several different people besides the three members of PG's group we know of. Life force guyver is capable of stopping people from using telepathic communication, it might be possible he is capable of creating a cyclone blast. Or they (the trio) may possess another member of their group who is a Ancient Zoalord. There are alot of possibilities out there. The fact if the matter is PG's group has an unknown number of members, with unknown capabilities. This makes them prime suspects in my book. I'm just surprised they haven't tried to recrute Agito into their little circle yet, he just love the whole shadowy thing, not to mention the 'cat paws' method of getting things done.

But I'm actually starting to think the individual who took Elera's Uncle, was the Grakken Guyver. And may have absolutely nothing to do with the 'cloaked man' at all. Although I have no information to present as any kind of evidence, I guess you could call it a gut feeling. But I think that billionare guy was the one who was ordering around the Grakken. He does work dirrectly with them after all.

[WarriorZoalord]

one, your forgetting PG and Life force guyver dont get along at all, two, Life force guyver doesnt seem to have any thoughts aside from feeding all the time. So I REALLY dont think those two would be working together.

[exscaped_pyscho]

I'm refering to the trio of guyvers that were seen in the nova fiction. One was the Primitive guyver, another was a guyver capable of cloaking (like shadow guyver, only red in color), and the third looked like the LFG only without the vibrational blades on the elbow and he was grey in color. He also mentioned he needed to go because his armor was starting to revert. Leading me to believe he is the Life Force Guyver, Although I still don't understand why his armor would remove the elbow Vibrational Swords. But the main feature, the vibrational finger blades, still remain. And I believe it's also mentioned the control medal is a three sided pyramid design.

I also think it's rather possible that the trio have other members of their group, after all it's longest known member (Primitive Guyver) was thought to be working alone until he suddenly shows up with two other guyvers. It may also be possible that an unknown member of their group is a ancient zoalord, that has managed to survive all this time. This would account for the cyclone blast, and if he resembled another zoalord (like Alkanphel) he could have seemed familur to the bio titan. If Agito hadn't been battling Kron right then I would be suspecting him instead.

[McAvoy]

Let's remember that we do not know the whole picture on the Warrior Project. It could be a prototype that proceeded the Life Force Guyver unit or even was developed along side for all we know. It could be the Life Force Guyver unit equivilant to the Type 2 Warrior Guyver unit. Or it could be a unit developed to prototype the Darmon system. But since he said he is reverting that means unlike Life Force Guyver he is able to control those urges much better and that with a full energy reserve he might not have them either.

[exscaped_pyscho]

What McAvoy said is quite possible. This grey guyver could be something altogether different from Life Force Guyver. I think in all probability that they are one and the same though. The working theory I've gathered is that LFG reverts to a animalist vampire like being when his unit is running low on energy, and then when he gathers enough energy from feeding he stabilizes and regains some of his humanity. It would explain why the LFG is targeting zoanoids, he's placing himself near a Chronos base prior to fully reverting to his vampiric form and then allowing his hunger to drive him into attacking the base. If I were in the same situation I would do something similar. This way I wouldn't have the death of innosent humans on my conscious. He could have fed off of another guyver with an HSL for far better results, but instead is targeting the Zoanoids.

[Zeus Thunderbolt]

The working theory I've gathered is that LFG reverts to a animalist vampire like being when his unit is running low on energy, and then when he gathers enough energy from feeding he stabilizes and regains some of his humanity. It would explain why the LFG is targeting zoanoids, he's placing himself near a Chronos base prior to fully reverting to his vampiric form and then allowing his hunger to drive him into attacking the base. If I were in the same situation I would do something similar. This way I wouldn't have the death of innosent humans on my conscious.

He is probably just going for Zoanoids because they have more sustenance than baseline humans.

If you had the LFG unit, would you really not feed off the nearest creature to hand, no matter how hungry you where or how easy it would be to feed from it?

He could have fed off of another guyver with an HSL for far better results, but instead is targeting the Zoanoids.

I think that he did not attack any Guyver with an HSL because they are more dangerous to him than a Zoanoid.

[WarriorZoalord]

LFG only got the Drop on WG because he didnt know about his energy draining abilities. now that hes got the matrix, and has had experience with LFG, LFG's unit probably knows not to go anywhere near him.

[exscaped_pyscho]

I never said he should go after Jason, that would be the last thing he should ever do.(Although Jason could easily either repair or remove his unit, allowing him to escape his fate) But there are several lower powered guyvers with HSL technoligy in them (Battle Guyver, Shadow Guyver, Warrior Guyver 4, Apothecary II, to name a few). Besides I wasn't stating a fact merley my opinion on the matter. Life Force Guyver is targeting a purely Zoanoid based energy source, and yet he attacked Guyver 4 without any hesitation. Why not the other guyvers? My thinking is he was unaware of her presence there, and was unable to stop himself once the Darmon system activated. Another point, he has never targeted a Zoalord until one presented itself infront of him (Purgstall and Alkanphel). This action suggests more cognative capabilities than some lower brained rage filled monster, in my opinion this suggests he is selecting targets and placing himself near their locations prior to reverting to the 'Vampire' mode. Characters in books and movies have been using this tactic for a long time now, primarily werewolves I'll admit. LFG if essentially a cross between a vampire and a werewolf. He feeds like a Vampire but is a unstoppable killing machine like a werewolf. So if you know you are going to become a monster and kill, would you place yourself closer to your enemies or your allies? Once you step back and look at his known actions and methods, a clear patern begins to emerge. LFG is the grey guyver with Primitive Guyver.

Now the only question is who is the red guyver that cloaks? It's obvious he's the one who allowed Primitive Guyver to evade Psi Guyver's detection way back in 'All Things Change.' Meaning he's been around for awhile now, and this is the first thing we've seen of him? He's a shadow player just like Primitive Guyver, and just like the Cloaked Man. Maybe just maybe he and his other buddies are the cloaked man, or at the least are working with him.

[Juggernought]

Far as i can tell LFG was a power hungry individual in the beginning and his people worshipped him as a god. In modern times he has only targeted zoanoids because his unit is capable of easily dispatching them without using much power at all. He avoids higher powered beings because they could easily outlast the energy reserves of his unit which would cause him to revert to an even more weaker and powered down guyver that can be easily defeated. He can reason quite like the normal average human can its just that many of his motives is influenced by the unit which floods him with the need to replenish energy and a deep hatred for other guyvers.

However i've never seen any indication that he has ever exerted any control over his unit much like the grey unit does. More or less he enjoys his primal state.

[exscaped_pyscho]

I just find it unlikely there would be two guyvers that feed on energy and look so similar to each other. Although I will admit the possibility. I for one have commented on the Grey Guyver's lack of Vibrational Swords on the elbow. After all why would a guyver unit remove a weapon when it is powered up? Warrior Guyver only lost weapons when his unit powered down.

Now to review the Cloaked Man Possibilities:

Guyot - Fit until the 'Cloaked Man' used a cyclone attack (Something Guyot never demonstrated before-But he could have always had this ability, after all Imakirum possessed it and he was originally a prototype for Guyot)

Grakken Guyver - He quickly became my primary suspect only to later, that same story, be disqualified from the running (Couldn't produce the Cyclone Attack)

Imakarum - I suspected that he might have begun to regain his free will, but he was present at the battle in New York and unless he possess more power than his data file shows he couldn't have been in two places at once.

Ancient Zoalord - While it still remains a possibility, I find this idea to be unlikely. It's too easy to say 'It's an ancient Zoalord.'

Agito - Deffinately would fit his personality to 'team up' with the Grakken, but he was battling Kron when the Cloaked Man last appeared. Not to mention Agito doesn't strike me as the Cloak wearing type.

Trio Member - Could be a possibile member of the Primitive Guyver's Buddies list. Although this doesn't help in itendifing him.

Chronos Zoalord - It is deffinatley possible and rather likley that another Zoalord from Chronos has gone Rouge. Perhaps one of the Trio of known betrayers. This thought is back up by the Cloaked Man seeming familur to the Bio Titan in New York. And after further review of the battle, it seems more likely than anything. During the NY encounter, the cloaked man use of a cyclone attack has come into question. The story says the Bio Titan was hit with a mini Tornado, not a Cyclone Attack. Meaning it could be a Zoalord with the ability to manipulate the weather. But this would put Purg'stall at the top of the list of suspects. It would however leave the possibility of another Zoalord from Chronos as suspect.

[WarriorZoalord]

I just find it unlikely there would be two guyvers that feed on energy and look so similar to each other. Although I will admit the possibility. I for one have commented on the Grey Guyver's lack of Vibrational Swords on the elbow. After all why would a guyver unit remove a weapon when it is powered up? Warrior Guyver only lost weapons when his unit powered down.

You'r forgetting one thing, Guyvers CAN look a lot alike one another. Example, Guyver three and Sahdow Guyver, they look a lot alike, except that Shadow has red on him.

[Juggernought]

Reasons for the similarity could be that the artist ran out of additional ideas at that moment Or it could be that between regular and warrior units the appearance reflects the attitude and demeanor of the hosts.

[exscaped_pyscho]

These points are indeed possible. I do not know for a fact that the Grey Guyver is the Life Force Guyver. I was merely stating my ideas on the subject. To find out if he is the Life Force Guyver we'll have to wait for further information from the Gods of the Warrior Universe. It is possible that the Grey Unit is a predecessor to the Life Force Unit, but unlikely that it came after. I forget which story it's stated in, but I remember that Krullnar was very interested in recovering this unit because it was the immediate predecessor to the fully functional unit bonded to Jason. This is why I feel it to be unlikely the Grey Warrior Guyver is not the LFG. I find it unlikley (But possible) that Solom would have made the same mistake twice. Of coarse there is a third possibility, The Grey Warrior Guyver was designed as a test of the Darmon energy system and was never equiped with a HSL. So Unless someone can come up with something more that I may have missed I feel further speculation on the subject of the Grey Guyver's possible identity should be shelved for the time being.

Does anyone have any ideas on who the Cloaked Man could be? Do any of the Mods' wish to provide some tid bit of information? even a 'warm' or 'cold' would be appreciated.